2023 World Team Trophy Day 3

[airgelaal]

Japan doesn't want silver

 

[Karen-W]

Well, whatever Sihyeong spotted Japan in points by finishing dead last in the FS here, and whatever Shun gained by finishing no worse than 10th, Kazuki just gave up by probably finishing only one spot higher than Shun. Silver is up to Junhwan.

 

[skatingguy]

Kazuki Tomono, Japan
Die Fledermaus Overture by J. Strauss II

4T+2T
4T
4S< - two-footed
3Lo
Ch Sit Spin 4
Fly Camel Spin 4
Step Sequence 4
3A+1e+3S
3F - stumbled out
1A
Choreo Sequence
Ch Combo Spin 4

One of the most enjoyable skaters in the world to watch, and it doesn't matter whether the jumps hit or miss he still gives it all in the performance.

164.55 = 4th Place (180.73)

 

[Bunny Hop]

Tomono: Also nicely presented and pletny of good in this program, but yeah, Rizzo is going to still lead after this.

 

[airgelaal]

Now Junhwan needs to be first or second?

 

[Karen-W]

Now Junhwan needs to be first or second?

Korea is 9 points behind Japan, so Junhwan needs to be no worse than 3rd (10 points), provided none of the other guys finish behind Shun and/or Kazuki.

ETA - I'm not sure what the tie-breaker is for WTT, but I'm guessing Korea would win if they have the same points total since Haein won 2 segments and no one from Japan won any segments.

 

[On My Own]

How exactly am I supposed to take Ted seriously when he calls these jumps "beautiful"?

 

[Sylvia]

My hip flinched seeing Grassl's pick for the flip combo...

ETA: His 3A is looking better.

 

[Karen-W]

Well, thank you, Daniel, for your contribution to the Team Korea silver medal quest.

That's about the only nice thing I can say as long as he's in Moscow.

 

[skatingguy]

Daniel Grassl, Italy
Franz

4Lz
4Lo
2F!+1e+3S
3A<+2A+SEQ
Ch Sit Spin 4
3A
3Lz+3T
Choreo Sequence
3Lz
Fly Ch Combo Spin 4
Step Sequence 4
Ch Combo Spin 4

Is the leg wrap getting worse? It looked really severe at times, particularly the final triple lutz. This is the best free skate he's done in quite some time.

173.53 = 2nd Place (157.93 at Worlds)

 

[On My Own]

You don't even need to look at his bio to recognize this as the Richaud choreography it is.

 

[On My Own]

Is the leg wrap getting worse? It looked really severe at times, particularly the final triple lutz. This is the best free skate he's done in quite some time.

His entire alignment in the air is off, there's no stretch, and it's scary in his quads.

 

[Bunny Hop]

Well, that was fine from Grassl. I'd just rather watch Rizzo. There's just something stiff and unnatural with Grassl's presentation. Technically it was good though.

 

[Karen-W]

You don't even need to look at his bio to recognize this as the Richaud choreography it is.

Well, you won't have to be bothered by Grassl skating to Richaud choreo next season. Are you really sure you want to give that up for some Danny G crap?

ETA - Good Lord, I just realized, Danny G choreo for Danny G... God's laughing at us, I just know it.

 

[On My Own]

Well, you won't have to be bothered by Grassl skating to Richaud choreo next season. Are you really sure you want to give that up for some Danny G crap?

I don't know if there's that much of a difference tbh. I guess fewer leg kicks and less maudlin face pulling with Richaud?

 

[Sylvia]

I'd just rather watch Rizzo.

Yup.

 

[airgelaal]

Adam, the Korean team needs you so much

 

[Karen-W]

Oh, FFS, Adam... Get your shit together. This is gonna help Team Japan, I suspect.

 

[airgelaal]

Looks like Korea lost 2 points

 

[skatingguy]

Adam Siao Him Fa, France
Horizons, Minus Sixty One, Run Boy Run

4Lz< - fall
4T - stumbled out
3A - made the circle too small on take-off - no room to land properly - step out, hand down
4S - stumbled out
3A+2A+SEQ
Fly Ch Combo Spin 4
2T+1e+3S
3F+3T - another messy landing
Fly Ch Combo Spin 3
Step Sequence 4
Choreo Sequence
Ch Sit Spin 4

Siao Him FA trying to help the Japanese team in the standings. I understand he's trying to get the harder content out so that he can contend in 2026, but at some point he also needs to start nailing other elements because consistency is important to winning.

154.60 = 6th Place (173.33 at Worlds)

 

[Karen-W]

Looks like Korea lost 2 points

Yup, which means Cha now needs to finish no worse than 2nd to tie Japan in the overall points.

 

[On My Own]

He's a great performer, and that double swipe he does in his choreography is fantastic. Clearly not a skate he wanted, though, and not exactly a great overall program.

 

[Sylvia]

Page 11 of the WTT Announcement: https://www.isu.org/docman-document...-team-trophy-2023-tokyo-jpn-announcement/file

Tie Breaking within the Team Standings
In cases of ties between Teams, the following tie breaking procedure will be used. This is only applicable after the
second discipline of the current phase has started.
• The highest total Team points from the two best places in different disciplines of the current phase will break
the ties.
• If they remain tied, the highest total segment scores of the two best places according to the Team points in
different disciplines of the current phase will break the ties.
• If they remain tied, the highest total Team points from the three best places in different disciplines of the
current phase will break the ties.
• If they remain tied, the highest total segment scores of the three best places according to the Team points in
different disciplines of the current phase will break the ties.
If these criteria fail to break the ties, the Teams will be considered as tied.

 

[Karen-W]

Page 11 of the WTT Announcement: https://www.isu.org/docman-document...-team-trophy-2023-tokyo-jpn-announcement/file

Tie Breaking within the Team Standings
In cases of ties between Teams, the following tie breaking procedure will be used. This is only applicable after the
second discipline of the current phase has started.
• The highest total Team points from the two best places in different disciplines of the current phase will break
the ties.
• If they remain tied, the highest total segment scores of the two best places according to the Team points in
different disciplines of the current phase will break the ties.
• If they remain tied, the highest total Team points from the three best places in different disciplines of the
current phase will break the ties.
• If they remain tied, the highest total segment scores of the three best places according to the Team points in
different disciplines of the current phase will break the ties.
If these criteria fail to break the ties, the Teams will be considered as tied.

So, the tie-break would go to Korea - 12+11 vs 11+11 for Japan.

 

[skatingguy]

Jason Brown, United States of America
The Impossible Dream

3A+2A+SEQ
3Aq - two-footed - stumbled out
3Lo
Fly Ch Combo Spin 4
3Lz+3T
3F+1e+3S
Ch Combo Spin 4
Step Sequence 4
2A
Choreo Sequence
3F
Ch Camel Spin 4

I hope Jason keeps skating for another decade.

183.43 = 2nd Place (185.87 at Worlds)

 

[Karen-W]

Solid from Jason, but that's gonna be behind Rizzo, for sure. Jason's PCS can't make up the TES difference, I don't think.

 

[Bunny Hop]

Brown: Beautiful. I can't take my eyes off the screen when he skates. There just aren't enough superlatives.

 

[Sylvia]

Rohene has been having a blast in Tokyo (per his Insta) - so nice of Jason to have invited him to be his coach here.

 

[Bunny Hop]

I hope Jason keeps skating for another decade.

This. Even if not in competition, but preferably in things that are available on TV to those of us outside the U.S.


ETA: Brown wasn't one of the ones I was expecting Rizzo to jump over. Go Rizzo!

 

[airgelaal]

So, the tie-break would go to Korea - 12+11 vs 11+11 for Japan.

It's good that we have James Bond, and not Ethan Hunt from Mission Impossible