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In reverse of the ladies, the podium is easier to predict but the Worlds team is harder:
Knierims, K/O and C/L should podium, but the competition for the spot at Worlds is going to be a slugfest between Knierims and K/O. Knierims should have this based on their skills but they have been wobbly all year and I'm not sure the problem is getting fixed. I think C/L aren't a true factor for the team. We will see if the horrific fall at GS changed anything.
In reverse of the ladies, the podium is easier to predict but the Worlds team is harder:
Knierims, K/O and C/L should podium, but the competition for the spot at Worlds is going to be a slugfest between Knierims and K/O. Knierims should have this based on their skills but they have been wobbly all year and I'm not sure the problem is getting fixed. I think C/L aren't a true factor for the team. We will see if the horrific fall at GS changed anything.
If C/L didn't have the injury I believe the team would be in the thick of it. ITA. The Knierims do not have better over all skills. The twist is far better for the knierims and maybe the BoDs in the short. After that K/O are better in every other category at the moment.
Their lifts are higher quality and more complex. The jumps are more consistent. The throws are more consistent. Other than Maybe Le Duc on a good day, Oshea has the best skating skills in us pairs. It's going to b fun to watch nationals.
I think they'll send K/O if they win, given the Knierims' fairly dismal season so far.
After that K/O are better in every other category at the moment.
Candidly before the C/L injury I believe the team would have finished second behind K/O. Knierims speed is not better than K/O and their artistic talents aren't in the same league of C/L or K/O. K/O started the season slow as they have done the last two seasons as they didn't want injuries and finished strong. K/O have the higher Grand Prix score as well. I'm looking for them to win. I hope C/L skates and does well.
Knierims speed is not better than K/O and their artistic talents aren't in the same league of C/L or K/O
I think that the Kneirims will earn the one spot. I think K/O had a nice Grand Prix outing in France, but they skated well and the field was not a strong field except for the French Team. So a nice good skate in a weak field gave them higher scores. But in my opinion I think when the Knierims are on, they can be in top 10 and have proven that before. I think they will win nationals and go to worlds and thatās the smart move.Guess you see it differenty than the international panel of judges, and also ANL. And thats cool.
Speed = oh HECK YES.
artistic value = Ill leave it to the eye of the beholder
I loves me some @aftershocks but I dont see on any of the ISU results pages where consistent would be a word to describe K&O. "On again off again injured" would be correct.
I think they are #TTW worthy because of their inconsistency.
Spiralgraph, Candidly your perspective is disheartening. Out teams earned three medals in GP's this year. A very promising sign. Injuries have plagued our competitors and they are on the rebound and improving at a great pace. I would suggest that you consider the athletes when you make such disparaging comments like "disheartening". These amazing athletes dedicate their lives to this sport, postpone careers, their families endure sacrifices to go all in on the sport they love. Don't criticize people with amazing dedication and determination.^^^ I mostly agree, but I prefer saying disheartening rather than laughable. US pairs is in a mess to put it kindly and one good team isn't going to help the perception of US teams as a whole. Especially when all our top teams have been inconsistent. I'll consider it a miracle if even one of our top teams skates clean in both programs at Nationals. I'll hope for really good skates, but I'm not holding my breath.
And what is your rationale for dismissing C/L, who beat the Knierems and won the bronze at SA?USFSA has spent too much time, money, PR, and political effort into the Knierims to just give up on them. I still think they'll have the edge at Nationals.
I don't think K&O snagging a medal in a GP event where the two younger, less experienced teams ahead of them completely imploded is as big of a factor as some may think.
And what is your rationale for dismissing C/L, who beat the Knierems and won the bronze at SA?
Sure, Golden Spin happened. Just like SA happened. Before their meltdown, C/L were ahead of the Knierems on TES and I tend to think C/L would have beaten the Knierems there. Which is kind of my point. Each of these teams have had at least one pretty good competition this fall, one competition where they managed to medal in spite of at least one subpar competition segment, and one competition that has been spectacularly bad (ie they should have medaled given the rest of the competition or they had issues in both segments - usually with jumps but it's hard to forget about aborted throw jumps, lifts gone wrong, or multiple falls, etc). I just don't think that the Knierems have done enough this fall or in the last season and a half (apart from one really clutch SP in the Team Event at the Olympics) to warrant any cushion, especially if the other team in question is K/O who have, recall, probably the best FP of the three teams. And then, we're getting into those "if"s again like skate order and how cleanly each team skates.Yes C&L beat the Knierems when the Knierems had multiple falls (without the 2.00 deductions, C&L and K&K would have been basically tied in the FS, and probably ahead based on a bit higher PCS from not bombing.).
I'm not talking about a huge cushion that will prevent them from absorbing multiple falls, I'm just saying that if it's close between the Knierems and any other team, I still think it will go the Knierems. I have no problem acknowledging if I'm wrong about this if a close decision goes the other way. I'd *prefer* K&O win, tbh.
Also, Golden Spin happened.
USFSA has spent too much time, money, PR, and political effort into the Knierims to just give up on them. I still think they'll have the edge at Nationals.
I don't think K&O snagging a medal in a GP event where the two younger, less experienced teams ahead of them completely imploded is as big of a factor as some may think.
Spiralgraph, Candidly your perspective is disheartening. Out teams earned three medals in GP's this year. A very promising sign. Injuries have plagued our competitors and they are on the rebound and improving at a great pace.
I agree!Not sure how "promising" I find the pair medals on the GP. The U.S. had more entrants than any other country on the GP, USFS gets to host-pick one of the events, and the field was especially weak/great chance for lower-ranked teams to medal with China not sending 2 of its top 3 teams, 1 of the top 2 Italian teams retiring, Germans out, etc. If the American teams hadn't medaled in these circumstances, then it would be really dire. As it is, it's wonderful for the teams that they medaled, but based on the scores, the Americans are still in the range with the Austrians and North Koreans and aren't going to touch the French, the Russians, the Chinese, or the Italians. And if the world team athletes have a bad day, they'll be around, and possibly below, the Germans and Australians.
And if the world team athletes have a bad day, they'll be around, and possibly below, the Germans and Australians.
Sure anyone on a bad day could end up low. But K/O with a SB of 191 are not particularly close to A/W of AUS at this point (SB 166), who have had just a dismal year.