If P/C did do S/K's RD it would be so unrecognizable and sophisticated we'd have a much better understanding of the difference between these two. S/K are well trained skaters, P/C are indescribable. #ubermodemay2019
I understand many may have a problem with how they incorporate their "style" into all their programs. But this "style" is their natural way of skating. They were taught in a fashion which favors long, deep edges. That is not to say I don't want them to try a new genre but no matter what they do their skating will always have a familiarity. Although I agree at times that they have molded their SD into something more similar to their classic FD (such as in 2016) this years tango especially and in many respects their samba last season weren't the same as moonlight sonata. I think it is perfectly normal to hope they go for more variety in their programs or add more unique elements but it isn't reasonable to ask them to completely change their way of skating.But they somehow fit their style and similar elements into all dances they perform. To me, for example, tango should look dramatically different then let's say Moonlight Sonata, but instead of going for extremely fast and sharp Argentine version, they succeed to incorporate again their flowy, yet dramatical and passionate style. Did I like their tango or waltz? Yes, but it is all the time the same way of movement.
They did. But I wasn't wondering about that this year. Paul & Piper's program demonstrated that disco would be acceptable to the judges so I agree that it probably opened up coaches' & skaters' minds toward going in that direction. It didn't get Gilles & Poirier anywhere up the ranks, though, as it finished 9th during the RD at Worlds. And, therefore, it wasn't inevitable that we would get a follow-up program.I think Piper and Paul started it actually.
Jean-Luc disco dancing on ice is my idea of heaven.Good. They need something fun. And this season is a prime opportunity for that. Might be lucky if it is the only Saturday Night Fever, as this is the first musical that came to mind when I was wondering who might try to spin off the success from Fear & Gibson's disco program last year; but Kaitlin & Jean-Luc seem like a good fit for it.
Meaning what exactly? Costuming often evolves over the course of the season, and Satoko's and Kihira's programs were presented during exhibition in the month of May, so yes, the costuming can change by the start of the season and over the course of the season. But it's not a certainty that either Satoko or Kihira will be changing their costuming for competition.It's May.
You're forgiven... this time.ETA: OMG, I didn't realize this was the music/choreographer thread. I thought this was the ice dance thread. I apologize for posting so much in response to people's discussion about P/C and ice dance here.
You guessed right! https://www.instagram.com/p/ByDzgPrJ9fa/ (added to spreadsheet)If I guessed right from their Instagram clues, Lauriault/LeGac are doing Les Demoiselles de Rochefort as SD
Exactly. It's about being authentic. If you gain inspiration from something else or someone else, you've got to adapt it to who you are as a skater, in order to best bring out your own strengths.Teams that try to imitate them because they think the style itself is what is making P/C win sort of miss the point because for them, it's not the style itself but P/C's quality and the perfect match of their skating strengths and personal style that seems so genuine from them...
This! And it would give the ladies more program options as well.I love a well-rocked bodysuit a la Vanessa James, and other ladies over the past few years. I don't have any problem with ladies wearing bodysuits. But I think much more exploration and experimentation should be done with costuming, particularly among the ladies. I'd love to see more ladies wearing pants (a la Maia Shibutani in the Shibs' hip hop SD), and not just skin-tight bodysuits.
But that's true for all costumes, for both men and women, for both pants and dresses. And partly or largely the responsibility of the costume designer.Part of the difficulty in experimenting with costumes is of course the requirement to keep costumes from interfering with the necessity to move expansively and to perform difficult athletic jumps, etc.
The above is just for design inspiration, of course. No overly exposed midriffs are allowed.
Exactly. Something more powerful and Wonder Woman-like was needed for both music and costume, which sadly did not happen. Lori Nichol was not the right choreographer. Shae Lynn Bourne or Benoit Richaud might have come up with something more exciting.I'm reminded of disappointed I was way when Daleman canned her 'Gladiator'. No it's not a program requiring a pants costume, but it is a program that is traditionally 'masculine' and has been skated only or mostly by men. I really wanted to see what Daleman would do with the music, given that she's such a powerful skater, which suits the music very well
And ladies need the support of their team to do so, which I don't think many coaches and choreographers and other FS professionals do. Hence Ladies FS continues to emphasize a feminine ideal.Exactly. Something more powerful and Wonder Woman-like was needed for both music and costume, which sadly did not happen. Lori Nichol was not the right choreographer. Shae Lynn Bourne or Benoit Richaud might have come up with something more exciting.
The music cuts chosen were a cop-out to the overdone and off-base criticism of Daleman not being so-called 'refined and lyrical.' Gabby D ain't lyrical d**n straight, nor does she need to be. F' refined! Give me well de-fined and authentic every time. Think Outside the Box please Ladies!
AFAIK from everything I've seen and witnessed about Shae Lynn, she not only thinks outside the box, she lives outside the box!... I don't know whether Shae Lynn would do any better at thinking outside the box.
Honestly, I had to rewatch P/C's Flamenco to really be fair to them. I did so in work, so I was watching without sound. Just try it and you might be surprised there are very few sharp and fast movements, other than typical Flamenco clapping. Deep edges, dynamic movement, and a great flow? Yes, but sharpness?...not really. If I want to watch a great Flamenco, I will much rather pick V/M in 2010 and even Sui/Han, who have had a completely fabulous Flamenco SP back in 2016. Now, this is dynamic, staccato and sharpDid people erase P&C's 2015 Flamenco SD from history? They demonstrated pretty early that they can do sharp and staccato very well, and it's one of their best programs, IMO.
I am actually surprised we don't see more girls going for the pants look. If I recall correctly Trusova said the reason she has been wearing costumes with pants is because she finds it easier to jump without the skirt.Part of the difficulty in experimenting with costumes is of course the requirement to keep costumes from interfering with the necessity to move expansively and to perform difficult athletic jumps, etc.
FOR REALDaleman’s new LP is to “It’s All Coming Back to Me Now” by Celine Dion!
Can’t wait to see this. It’s my favorite Celine song—I loved Loena’s SP to it this season, but the music edits were cringy. A masterpiece like this song needs the full 4 minutes to breathe. #TeamCeline
Let’s hope this is the start of a trend and we have a new warhorse in skating!
Hottest costume in the past 10 years, dare to disagree!
I can handle both of these music choices.Vincent Zhou
SP: I Will Wait by Mumford and Sons
Choreo by Shae-Lynn Bourne
Jessica Calalang/Brian Johnson
FS: You are the Reason by Leona Lewis and Calum Scott
Choreo by Cindy Stuart
Kostner 2017-2018 Ne Me Quitte Pas short program sung by Celine DionI credit Mariah Bell (who I wonder was inspired by that Sasha Cohen/Angela Nikodinov double whammy of "To Love You More" exhibitions in 2001-ish) for bringing Celine Dion into competitive skating. I'm curious to see Daleman's take on Celine.