13-year-old Russian, Alexandra Trusova, is first female figure skater to land two quads (video)

[mag]

But what will impress me is if there is some kind of plan that extends beyond doing that and actually keeping Trusova injury free and preserving these jumps into adulthood. Only time will tell in that sense.

It would be great if she can carry on for to adulthood, assuming that is what she wants. She will not remain injury free. No skater who competes with triple jumps is injury free. They train too hard and too long; there is always something that hurts. The goal needs to be to manage the injuries and keep them within acceptable limits. Fans and officials who harp on limiting tech content to prevent injury are just kidding themselves. Once a skater starts landing a 2A and a triple or two, even if they have managed to get that far injury free, they will find injury management creeping into their training plan. It is part of the sport.

 

[whiteskates]

I only have one word for it. Impressive!

 

[hanca]

That would be locking the barn door after the horse has been stolen, since she will have become eligible for Seniors (by just a week!). Still, if she somehow decides to linger in Juniors next season and such a rule goes into effect, she'll just replace the extra quads with quints.

Well, then there will be also change of age of senior eligibility... Envy is a powerful thing and we saw what happened this off season. Russians are doing all those Tanos which our skaters can’t do; let’s limit how many extra points they can get. Russians are putting their jumps in the second half; let’s limit how many jumps can get points that way. Russians are coming to seniors too early; let’s move the age of eligibility up. It was just luck that the proposal about the age didn’t get through. On ISU biography Trusova measures 150cm. I am waiting when next season there will be a rule that skaters under 160cm cannot compete in seniors to protect tiny skaters from harm.

 

[barbarafan]

It would be great if she can carry on for to adulthood, assuming that is what she wants. She will not remain injury free. No skater who competes with triple jumps is injury free. They train too hard and too long; there is always something that hurts. The goal needs to be to manage the injuries and keep them within acceptable limits. Fans and officials who harp on limiting tech content to prevent injury are just kidding themselves. Once a skater starts landing a 2A and a triple or two, even if they have managed to get that far injury free, they will find injury management creeping into their training plan. It is part of the sport.

True but the injuries they get if they are not very careful when they are in the process of growing can be easily be career ending. Each time those leg bones grow you must wait for muscles tendons etc to catch up and they must be exercised explicitly to strengthen the unit. She has great natural talent which will need to be monitored carefully. Love how enjoyable she is to watch between the jumps as well.

 

[Frau Muller]

... Love how enjoyable she is to watch between the jumps as well.

Exactly. She is totally expressive and musical, within the context of “toughie girl” programs! I love how, at the same time, she cultivates a very feminine persona (gorgeous Rapunzel hair when off the ice, make up, sweet way of talking, million-dollar smile, etc.). I want her to last long to the senior level. Bless her.

 

[The Accordion]

Russians are doing all those Tanos which our skaters can’t do; let’s limit how many extra points they can get. Russians are putting their jumps in the second half; let’s limit how many jumps can get points that way.

I think it is a valid argument for these 2 points that too many Tanos and too many jumps in the 2nd half jeopardized the choreo. Personally I was glad of the changes for that very reason.

 

[hanca]

I think it is a valid argument for these 2 points that too many Tanos and too many jumps in the 2nd half jeopardized the choreo. Personally I was glad of the changes for that very reason.

That’s an excuse. How can jumps in second half jeopardise the choreography when the music actually fitted with the jumps? It is just envy speaking. I wonder if those who are saying how badly it affected choreography would be saying the same if it was Canadian or US skater doing it. As far as I recall, when Lysacek won over Pluschenko by putting his jumps to the second half, the response was that it was clever, not that it jeopardised the choreography.

 

[The Accordion]

I wonder if those who are saying how badly it affected choreography would be saying the same if it was Canadian or US skater doing it.

I think it no matter WHO is doing it - so I can speak for myself as one.

 

[peibeck]

That’s an excuse. How can jumps in second half jeopardise the choreography when the music actually fitted with the jumps? It is just envy speaking. I wonder if those who are saying how badly it affected choreography would be saying the same if it was Canadian or US skater doing it. As far as I recall, when Lysacek won over Pluschenko by putting his jumps to the second half, the response was that it was clever, not that it jeopardised the choreography.

Because jumps are NOT choreography??? It's why jumps and their quality are counted in the TES and also why PCS elements have one for interpretation and timing and another for choreography/composition.

However, in keeping with your point-of-view, look at Alina Zagitova's unfortunate (and uncharacteristic) World's free program. From the time she started jumping in the second half the entire program fell apart, are you saying the program and "choreography" were not affected because her jump attempts simply were timed to the music?

As for being envious, I think many countries, the world over, are envious of the deep talent of the Russian ladies. Why shouldn't they be? They are jumping wonders and some are very artistic wonders as well. Good for them.

 

[Amantide]

Geezers, I had to watch this video twice.
I love how after the fall she gets up and without any hesitation executes 4T/3T!
That takes guts. Absolutely FANTASTIC!

 

[barbarafan]

Geezers, I had to watch this video twice.
I love how after the fall she gets up and without any hesitation executes 4T/3T!
That takes guts. Absolutely FANTASTIC!

What table score?

 

[Amantide]

What table score?

No sorry, that was my mistake cause I had 100 windows opened, and one was her program from last season. lol
I watched it several times cause I was hypnotized with the table score and confused the two programs.

 

[barbarafan]

No sorry, that was my mistake cause I had 100 windows opened, and one was her program from last season. lol
I watched it several times cause I was hypnotized with the table score and confused the two programs.

thanks.....I am sad cause I was kind of hoping there is something you have to press to bring up the table and I just didn't know about it...I watch the JGP every year...love the kids...and I would really love a table...I have to wait for Ted.

 

[Amantide]

thanks.....I am sad cause I was kind of hoping there is something you have to press to bring up the table and I just didn't know about it...I watch the JGP every year...love the kids...and I would really love a table...I have to wait for Ted.

ahahahahah there is a thrill to it. Although it can be a distraction.
This is the video I was talking about, the one from Worlds.

I like juniors too, though I don't follow them much. Except for GPF and Worlds where I get to see almost all of them together.

 

[barbarafan]

ahahahahah there is a thrill to it. Although it can be a distraction.
This is the video I was talking about, the one from Worlds.

I like juniors too, though I don't follow them much. Except for GPF and Worlds where I get to see almost all of them together.

I watch it all the times I like to see the kids coming up even from my own country as nationals and sectionals can turn into a blur. I love Ted pointing out the good points of all the skaters as well as where they went wrong on any mistakes and often what they need to do to correct it.

 

[hanca]

Because jumps are NOT choreography??? It's why jumps and their quality are counted in the TES and also why PCS elements have one for interpretation and timing and another for choreography/composition.

However, in keeping with your point-of-view, look at Alina Zagitova's unfortunate (and uncharacteristic) World's free program. From the time she started jumping in the second half the entire program fell apart, are you saying the program and "choreography" were not affected because her jump attempts simply were timed to the music?

As for being envious, I think many countries, the world over, are envious of the deep talent of the Russian ladies. Why shouldn't they be? They are jumping wonders and some are very artistic wonders as well. Good for them.

Being envious is one thing, but limiting progress so that your skaters have at least a bit of a chance, that’s not right. Of course that choreography is affected when a skater is falling all over the place. Zagitova took risk by putting the jumps in the second half. Sometimes (most times) it paid off, but sometimes it didn’t. But when she skated it clean, I can’t see an issue with having the jumps in the second half. It is harder, it should be rewarded. Making rules to limit rewards because your skaters are not able to do the same, that’s not sporting spirit.

 

[ChiquitaBanana]

Being envious is one thing, but limiting progress so that your skaters have at least a bit of a chance, that’s not right. Of course that choreography is affected when a skater is falling all over the place. Zagitova took risk by putting the jumps in the second half. Sometimes (most times) it paid off, but sometimes it didn’t. But when she skated it clean, I can’t see an issue with having the jumps in the second half. It is harder, it should be rewarded. Making rules to limit rewards because your skaters are not able to do the same, that’s not sporting spirit.

The concept of balanced program existed way before Zagitova and doing jumps in the second half still gives extra points.

 

[Japanfan]

(and i will not say what i think about women, especially women athletes, having long hair in 21st century... )

Please do say!

I really don't see what is wrong with athletes having long hair in the 21st century. They can tie it back into a tight ponytail or bundle it into a bun when they compete.

Lots of women (and some men) love long hair - the way it looks, the way it feels, the way it blows around a bit in the wind.

I loved my long hair when I was young. Then I got 'older', and it stopped suiting me so well.

 

[oleada]

I know I should know better but some of the comments on YT and Instagram about Trusova are just so and totally unhinged.

This picture was taken just for @rfisher: https://www.instagram.com/p/BndO6mhDVGR/?taken-by=avtrusova

 

[soogar]

That’s an excuse. How can jumps in second half jeopardise the choreography when the music actually fitted with the jumps? It is just envy speaking. I wonder if those who are saying how badly it affected choreography would be saying the same if it was Canadian or US skater doing it. As far as I recall, when Lysacek won over Pluschenko by putting his jumps to the second half, the response was that it was clever, not that it jeopardised the choreography.

The repetitive tanos were ugly and in many cases, it looked like the skaters were doing tanos in attempt to detract from tiny jumps. Tanos were supposed to highlight a big jump- when Brian Boitano did it. Like an exclamation point. Doing it on every jump, including little crappy double jumps just to get more points diminishes the move.

 

[mjb52]

The repetitive tanos were ugly and in many cases, it looked like the skaters were doing tanos in attempt to detract from tiny jumps. Tanos were supposed to highlight a big jump- when Brian Boitano did it. Like an exclamation point. Doing it on every jump, including little crappy double jumps just to get more points diminishes the move.

Definitely agree with this - there is something really distracting about it...

 

[lala]

she is incredible and adorable!

 

[Rock2]

I have to say overall I'm a Trusova fan. She's one of my favorites among the RUS ladies, junior and senior. I know she has growing to do but there's a genuine athleticism to her skating that I think will be a tool that will help her elements survive (and maybe thrive) in puberty.

My ongoing concern that is no fault of hers is the GoE marking. We're looking at a 14 yo early in the season who is pulling heaps of +4, +5 across all elements. While she does do a lot to gain GoE legitimately she is not in my mind a picture of element perfection.

Looks like we're headed toward the ongoing practice of bonusing the athletes who skate difficult programs consistently. Hate this.

 

[Sasha'sSpins]

That’s an excuse. How can jumps in second half jeopardise the choreography when the music actually fitted with the jumps? It is just envy speaking. I wonder if those who are saying how badly it affected choreography would be saying the same if it was Canadian or US skater doing it. As far as I recall, when Lysacek won over Pluschenko by putting his jumps to the second half, the response was that it was clever, not that it jeopardised the choreography.

Evan did not put ALL of his jumps in the second half like Zagitova though. Don't get me wrong. I didn't mind her programs like others did, and I enjoyed both of her balletic programs very much - But apparently, her programs did not look well-balanced to the powers that be. Lysacek's programs looked balanced (and had way more intricate transitions versus Plushenko for that matter) IMO.

 

[Seerek]

I like both of Sasha's programs this season (not so sure about the exact sequencing of "Fifth Element", but I like the general theme and concept), though I wonder how she'll be packaged once she turns senior (less "fierce"?).