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It doesn't seem like he's going to have to answer any questions about his motive or the sequence of events. Though it does seem like the State's theory is close enough: Madison was the target, everyone else was collateral damage. The surviving witness is lucky that he was likely too gassed to notice her or do anything about it.

I have the court proceedings playing in the background. The judge has accepted the plea. Victims' families will be allowed to make statements. Sentencing will be July 23-24.
 
Kohberger only said “Yes” and “Guilty” during the entire hearing.

People are still upset about this plea deal. I’m divided. I’m glad Kohberger is going to prison for life. And who knows how well the prosecution’s witnesses would have actually done on the stand, even though I agree that the evidence was overwhelming.

A death penalty case has a higher standard of proving guilt and there’s no guarantee that this jury would have actually voted to recommend death. I think there’s a bit of data showing that even many people who say that they support the death penalty end up being very nervous of actually voting for it.
 
ilovepaydays said:
A death penalty case has a higher standard of proving guilt and there’s no guarantee that this jury would have actually voted to recommend death. I think there’s a bit of data showing that even many people who say that they support the death penalty end up being very nervous of actually voting for it.
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A plea saves potential jurors from having to see crime scene photos and it also saves the family from 30+ years of hearings and appeals before an execution is even close to happening. I completely understand why some of them are angry now though.

In another recent Idaho case, Chad Daybell got sentenced to death pretty easily and there's no proof he physically killed anyone. It was sort of a Charlie Manson cult leader situation. For death penalty cases, jurors who are completely opposed are whittled out early. Though in Daybell's case he declined a mitigation investigation and let the jury have at him. Kohberger's attorney was already dogging the court about mitigation witnesses and needing more time. If the judge didn't accept the plea this trial would have been a long slog.
 
I think he would have absolutely gotten the death penalty, based on the information that is out there in public about the case. It was a horrific crime. Intellectually, I understand the rationale behind the plea bargain, but as stone cold as Kohberger was in court during the hearing, I really wish it had gone to trial. Dead eyed, he was.
 
Amy L said:
A plea saves potential jurors from having to see crime scene photos and it also saves the family from 30+ years of hearings and appeals before an execution is even close to happening. I completely understand why some of them are angry now though.
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The victims’ families would also be saved from seeing those crime scene photos as well (although they would have chosen to step out of the courtroom at the time, anyway). And I’ll repeat the my earlier point that it’s impossible to 100% know how well the state’s witnesses would have done on the stand - especially the survivors in that house.

Karen-W said:
I think he would have absolutely gotten the death penalty, based on the information that is out there in public about the case. It was a horrific crime. Intellectually, I understand the rationale behind the plea bargain, but as stone cold as Kohberger was in court during the hearing, I really wish it had gone to trial. Dead eyed, he was.
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I would say it would have been likely, although there have been cases where it was heinous and the convict still got life without parole. Juries can be very unpredictable.
 
With regards to the Combs case, it seems that the laws as written regarding coercion don’t really have a true sense of what that means.
 
Ryland Headley 92 was found guilty of the 1967 assault and murder of Louisa Dunne.

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Diane Downs was a case that caught the attention of the public, for the sheer repugnant behavior of her. She drove to a hospital with her three kids, and reported that she had stopped to respond to a strange man flagging her down. To make a tragic story short, one daughter was dead and two children were wounded critically. But her flat demeanor plus the inconsistencies of her account immediately brought attention to her as the prime suspect. More than one observer noted her flat demeanor, which some skeptics might regard as 'second hand' information, but there is no mistaking her psychopathic indifference to what she was reenacting in this police video: Reenactment of her account . There was a tv-movie on the case starring Farrah Fawcett which, luckily omitted any gore. Just a psychopath who, to this day, maintains her innocence. Small Sacrifices
 
ilovepaydays said:
Idaho v. Kohberger - The sentencing hearing begins today. I’m not sure if it will last longer than one day.

Here are some YouTube streaming links if you want to follow the coverage and listen to the court proceedings:

Court TV - Begins at 11:00am ET
Hidden Killers Podcast - Begins at 11:45am ET
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It may depend on how many victim impact statements are made. From what I understand, Ethan Chapin's family has decided not to attend the sentencing, but the families of the other three and the surviving roommates could all possibly speak.
 
ilovepaydays said:
The sentencing hearing has started. Here’s another feed from NBC News.

This is already getting pretty painful to hear. 😔
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Judge just took a 10-minute recess after hearing victim statements from the two surviving roommates and the families of Maddie Mogen & Kaylee Goncalves. I don't know which one was more powerful - Dylan Mortensen (the roommate who was on the same floor & saw him) or Kaylee's older sister, Alivea.
 
Karen-W said:
Judge just took a 10-minute recess after hearing victim statements from the two surviving roommates and the families of Maddie Mogen & Kaylee Goncalves. I don't know which one was more powerful - Dylan Mortensen (the roommate who was on the same floor & saw him) or Kaylee's older sister, Alivea.
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👏 👏 👏 Alivea Gonclaves 👏 👏 👏

That’s all I have to say so far.
 
The victim impact statements are finished. Now the “first chair” district attorney is speaking.

I know there are many, including some in this thread, who are angry about this plea deal because they wanted the death penalty (firing squad in Idaho) to remain a possibility. I’m not convinced that this DA would have gotten that sentence. Because this attorney has kinda sucked in his presentations. And juries can be very unpredictable.

The defense has declined to make a statement. So has Kohberger.
 
ilovepaydays said:
The victim impact statements are finished. Now the “first chair” district attorney is speaking.

I know there are many, including some in this thread, who are angry about this plea deal because they wanted the death penalty (firing squad in Idaho) to remain a possibility. I’m not convinced that this DA would have gotten that sentence. Because this attorney has kinda sucked in his presentations. And juries can be very unpredictable.

The defense has declined to make a statement. So has Kohberger.
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I'm with the folks who think this DA just wanted to get this done so he could get to his retirement.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1948057163295019360
 
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