Russian Figure Skater tests positive for drugs - delays ceremony for team medals

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I think her bringing it up again and with everything that has happened since Sochi with how B samples may not have had the most strict chain-of-command protections has just changed the mood of how people look at open statements like this. It almost seems like gloating at this point and the tolerance for gloating is low now.
 
Sylvia said:
Yonhap News Agency article today (July 11, 2023):
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S. Korea to ask IOC to look into Russian figure skater's doping admission | Yonhap News Agency

SEOUL, July 11 (Yonhap) -- The top South Korean sports body said Tuesday it will ask the I...
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Sylvia said:
Yonhap News Agency article today (July 11, 2023):
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S. Korea to ask IOC to look into Russian figure skater's doping admission | Yonhap News Agency

SEOUL, July 11 (Yonhap) -- The top South Korean sports body said Tuesday it will ask the I...
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This may be rare but I see no need to bring it up Now. There was a precedence in 1991, when Marina Klimova failed a drug test at the European (I think), but her B sample cleared her and she and Ponomarenko were allowed to compete at the worlds. They lost the title to the Duschenays but they were allowed to compete. Sotnikova's case could be similar.
 
Vash01 said:
This may be rare but I see no need to bring it up Now. There was a precedence in 1991, when Marina Klimova failed a drug test at the European (I think), but her B sample cleared her and she and Ponomarenko were allowed to compete at the worlds. They lost the title to the Duschenays but they were allowed to compete. Sotnikova's case could be similar.
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However, Rodchenchov didn't expose a doping scandal at 1991 Euros; however, he did expose a scandal at the 2014 Olys!

Thereto, DNA testing should be done on the residue of what's left in the "B" sample bottle (with the scratches).
They might find some of Sotnikova's grandpa's backwash!
 
Because maybe the articles being written lie about what sotnikova said and people here are talking about lies like they are facts!! The lie being sotnikova is going all around Russia saying “I’m a doper ha ha ha!’ I doped!!”
 
caseyedwards said:
Because maybe the articles being written lie about what sotnikova said and people here are talking about lies like they are facts!! The lie being sotnikova is going all around Russia saying “I’m a doper ha ha ha!’ I doped!!”
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Stop with the gaslighting strawman arguments. Noone said she "admitted" to doping. In her YouTube video (which has since disappeared) she refers to a positive sample in 2014, and being cleared by the "B" sample.
A likely scenario is that she was doped by her coaches/doctors without her knowledge, and the Sochi lab switched out the "B" sample to clear her. Sotnikova, believing in her innocence, was using her case on YouTube in a misguided attempt to clear Valieva. Of course, the TPTB in Russia got that YouTube taken down STAT.
 
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Coco said:
Adelina has commented on IG
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She's right about one thing. Nobody can take away her experience on the podium. Any comment from the Americans and Canadians who didn't get their experience with the podium in 2022?

This is the translated post:

Dear fans, media representatives!

Over the past week, I, my team, people around me have received a huge number of calls and messages in order to get comments about the suddenly inflated situation in the media.

And, of course, everyone is waiting for official comments from me.

I understand that such a newsbreak will always be quoted and gain a large number of views.
But the media has already attributed to me that I admitted to using illegal drugs. Guys, what are you, you can’t do that))).

Let's start with a quote.
“Even remembering 2014, when after some time they said that they found doping in me, and I had to have a trial. But then they acquitted me…”

The phrase "you have found doping." After this phrase, there are many valid options. From a confirmed dirty sample, to a sampling error and a damaged vial, a violation by the doping officer of the sampling protocol, transportation and storage of samples.

When an athlete has problems with a sample and is told about it, one thought rushes through his head (especially for someone who has not taken illegal drugs) - where, what kind of doping was found? And panic - "ahh I dope???!!!"
This block remains for a long time. And when we talk about it, and in passing, we say so - "I was told that they found doping on me." Yes, they said.
But it turned out to be a problem with the test tube, scratches ..

Distorted information in any form gives foreign media a reason to discuss Russian athletes.
Why did you turn it upside down and inflate it yourself?

Neither then, nor now, the international doping control system had no questions for me. So the sensation did not take place, sorry.

And finally: No one will take away the main thing from me! Sochi-2014, minutes on the podium, the anthem of Russia, the eyes of the fans and an incredible feeling - the feeling that I adequately performed for my country!
 
ISU published the 2023-24 ISU Registered Testing Pool & ISU Testing Pool list on July 11, 2023: https://www.isu.org/docman-document...testing-pool/31500-testing-pools-2023-24/file

Figure Skaters (39), including Valieva and 8 other Russians:

Akateva Sofia RUS ISU TP Ladies
Aymoz Kevin FRA ISU RTP Men
Baram Sophia USA ISU TP Pairs & Tioumentsev Daniel USA ISU TP / Pairs
Barquero Laura ESP ISU TP Pairs (partner Marco Zandron is not listed)
Chock Madison USA ISU RTP Ice Dance & Bates Evan USA ISU RTP Ice Dance
Boikova Aleksandra RUS ISU TP Pairs & Kozlovskii Dmitrii RUS ISU TP / Pairs
Conti Sara ITA ISU RTP / Pairs & Macii Niccolo ITA ISU RTP / Pairs
Fear Lilah GBR ISU TP / Ice Dance
Frazier Brandon USA ISU RTP / Pairs (eta that Alexa Knierim is not listed)
Ghilardi Rebecca ITA ISU TP / Pairs & Ambrosini Filippo ITA ISU TP Pairs
Gibson Lewis GBR ISU TP / Ice Dance
Gubanova Anastasiia GEO ISU TP / Ladies
Guignard Charlene ITA ISU RTP / Ice Dance & Fabbri Marco ITA ISU RTP / Ice Dance
Gumennik Petr RUS ISU TP / Men
Hendrickx Loena BEL ISU RTP / Ladies
Kagiyama Yuma JPN ISU TP / Men
Lee Haein KOR ISU RTP / Ladies
Levito Isabeau USA ISU RTP / Ladies
Malinin Ilia USA ISU RTP / Men
Mishina Anastasia RUS ISU TP / Pairs & Galliamov Aleksandr RUS ISU TP / Pairs
Miura Kao JPN ISU RTP / Men
Miura Riku JPN ISU RTP / Pairs & Kihara Ryuichi JPN ISU RTP / Pairs
Mrazkova Katerina CZE ISU RTP / Ice Dance & Mrazek Daniel CZE ISU RTP / Ice Dance
Petrosian Adeliia RUS ISU TP / Ladies
Rizzo Matteo ITA ISU TP / Men
Sakamoto Kaori JPN ISU RTP / Ladies
Semenenko Evgeni RUS ISU TP / Men
Shimada Mao JPN ISU TP / Ladies
Uno Shoma JPN ISU RTP / Men
Valieva Kamila RUS ISU RTP / Ladies

Criteria (dated May 22, 2023): https://www.isu.org/docman-document...31503-isu-testing-pools-criteria-2022-24/file

Excerpts:

The following criteria determine the Skaters listed in the ISU Testing Pools, either Registered Testing Pool (RTP) or ISU Testing Pool (TP). [Question: What is the difference between the two pools?]

• The rankings of the following Events held during the previous season:
Figure Skating
• ISU European Figure Skating Championships
• ISU Four Continents Figure Skating Championships
• ISU World Figure Skating Championships
• ISU World Junior Figure Skating Championships
• ISU World Standings
For both women and men skaters ranked in each discipline of Figure Skating (singles Men and Ladies, Pairs and Ice Dance).
• The ISU risk assessment.
• The Athlete Biological Passport of each Skater.
• Intelligence gathering.

The ISU Testing Pools will be reviewed periodically and updated if necessary, based on performance, testing results (urine and/or blood), participation in any ISU Event or major Event and intelligence gathering.

Additional Skaters may be added in the ISU Testing Pools at any time.

According to article 5.6.1 of the ISU Anti-Doping Rules (Communication No. 2344), a Skater
who is retiring or temporarily not participating in any ISU Event must give written notice to the
ISU to be removed from any ISU Testing Pool by completing the TP retirement form available
on the ISU website.

Source page: https://www.isu.org/clean-sport/anti-doping
 
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So are the skaters in the pool the only ones who are subject to random testing?

It looks like most medalists from Worlds, Euros and 4CC are included, plus JW champs, but not all. No Gilles/Poirier, Brandon listed but not Alexa (maybe she officially retired/removed herself from pool).

Maybe "registered" means higher ranked?
 
Debbie S said:
So are the skaters in the pool the only ones who are subject to random testing?

It looks like most medalists from Worlds, Euros and 4CC are included, plus JW champs, but not all. No Gilles/Poirier, Brandon listed but not Alexa (maybe she officially retired/removed herself from pool).

Maybe "registered" means higher ranked?
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Not really - Junhwan Cha and, as you noted, Gilles/Poirier are missing from the Worlds medalists; weirdly all of the 4th place finishers except Stellato-Dudek/Deschamps ARE included, lol.

Euros medalists - Siao Him Fa, Britschgi, Repond, Hocke/Kunkel, Turkkila/Versluis

4CCs medalists - Messing (presumably retired), Shun Sato, Yelim Kim, Chiba, Chan/Howe, S-DDes, Fournier Beaudry/Soerensen, Lajoie/Lagha

Jr Worlds - all the champs are there (Miura, Shimada, BarTiou & the Mrazeks), but none of the other medalists - Rossi, Yoshioka, Jia Shin, Nakai, Golubeva/Giotopoulos Moore, Sierova/Khobta, Lim/Quan, Bashynska/Beaumont

The Russians included are an interesting list - it would seem to indicate that any "comeback" plans that Shcherbakova is hinting about in the media are just meant to keep her name in the news and have no substance behind them; same with any similar talk surrounding Trusova. I do find it a bit interesting that Stepanova/Bukin aren't on that list since we know they've resumed training, etc.
 
Sylvia said:
The following criteria determine the Skaters listed in the ISU Testing Pools, either Registered Testing Pool (RTP) or ISU Testing Pool (TP). [Question: What is the difference between the two pools?]
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Athletes in the Registered Testing Pool, who are "at the highest level of sport," are required to participate in the ISU Whereabouts program: they must provide a location where they will be for a specified hour of each day, every day of the year, at least 24 hours in advance. If they are not at that location or can't reach that location within one hour of being contacted by a WADA tester, they are responsible for a whereabouts failure. Three whereabouts failures within a 12 month period of time results in an 18 month suspension. They also need to provide their training, work, school, competition, and personal schedules and the usual times/addresses they can be found at those locations.

Athletes in the ISU Testing Pool are subject to out of competition testing but aren't responsible for providing their whereabouts. (Athletes in the RTP can also be tested out of competition at any time (between 5am and 11pm local time) but they're not responsible for being in a specific place outside of their designated hour). International Federations have leeway to decide who is part of their testing pool. It's common that athletes who had an adverse analytic finding on a drug test and are appealing that finding remain in the testing pool even if they're not competing. The TP can also include athletes who are designated as "high risk" for doping because of age, dramatic improvement, association with coaches who have allegations of doping, etc.

The ISU RTP/ISU TP are separate systems from the national anti-doping programs. They use different apps so athletes who are in both the ISU RTP and USADA RTP need to update their daily whereabouts in two separate apps. (I don't know what happens if both show up at the same time: you pee in front of a crowd, I guess?) Athletes can be in USADA RTP and ISU TP, and only need to report whereabouts to USADA.

Athletes can choose to leave the testing pools if they are retiring or won't be competing in the near future. If they wish to return to competition after voluntarily leaving a testing pool, they need to be back in the pool for a minimum of six months before competing.

There are a few reasons why an athlete who isn't competing in the next six months may choose to remain in the testing pools. One is that eligibility for many national resources such as USOPC's Elite Athlete health insurance program specify that an athlete must be compliant with any and all anti-doping procedures.
 
Karen-W said:
Not really - Junhwan Cha and, as you noted, Gilles/Poirier are missing from the Worlds medalists; weirdly all of the 4th place finishers except Stellato-Dudek/Deschamps ARE included, lol.

Euros medalists - Siao Him Fa, Britschgi, Repond, Hocke/Kunkel, Turkkila/Versluis

4CCs medalists - Messing (presumably retired), Shun Sato, Yelim Kim, Chiba, Chan/Howe, S-DDes, Fournier Beaudry/Soerensen, Lajoie/Lagha

Jr Worlds - all the champs are there (Miura, Shimada, BarTiou & the Mrazeks), but none of the other medalists - Rossi, Yoshioka, Jia Shin, Nakai, Golubeva/Giotopoulos Moore, Sierova/Khobta, Lim/Quan, Bashynska/Beaumont

The Russians included are an interesting list - it would seem to indicate that any "comeback" plans that Shcherbakova is hinting about in the media are just meant to keep her name in the news and have no substance behind them; same with any similar talk surrounding Trusova. I do find it a bit interesting that Stepanova/Bukin aren't on that list since we know they've resumed training, etc.
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I don't understand why some skaters are selected and others are not. Shouldn't all current skaters be subject to testing.
 
Karen-W said:
Not really - Junhwan Cha and, as you noted, Gilles/Poirier are missing from the Worlds medalists; weirdly all of the 4th place finishers except Stellato-Dudek/Deschamps ARE included, lol.

Euros medalists - Siao Him Fa, Britschgi, Repond, Hocke/Kunkel, Turkkila/Versluis

4CCs medalists - Messing (presumably retired), Shun Sato, Yelim Kim, Chiba, Chan/Howe, S-DDes, Fournier Beaudry/Soerensen, Lajoie/Lagha

Jr Worlds - all the champs are there (Miura, Shimada, BarTiou & the Mrazeks), but none of the other medalists - Rossi, Yoshioka, Jia Shin, Nakai, Golubeva/Giotopoulos Moore, Sierova/Khobta, Lim/Quan, Bashynska/Beaumont

The Russians included are an interesting list - it would seem to indicate that any "comeback" plans that Shcherbakova is hinting about in the media are just meant to keep her name in the news and have no substance behind them; same with any similar talk surrounding Trusova. I do find it a bit interesting that Stepanova/Bukin aren't on that list since we know they've resumed training, etc.
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Why would Aymoz be included he wasn't on the podium at Europeans or Worlds, but others were? Why not Adam , Cha , etc...?
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Evgeniafan said:
I don't understand why some skaters are selected and others are not. Shouldn't all current skaters be subject to testing.
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Of course not. It's simply impossible. I don't mean testing during competitions. But it is impossible to test ALL active athletes all year round.
 
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