Josh Duggar ('19 Kids and Counting') Arrested by Feds

quartz said:
Now his smug self-righteous face is all over my SM feeds. That smirk is going to be gone in no time. Sick dirt-bag scum.
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if he has to spend most of his jail term in isolation, for his own safety...
 
She's traded one authoritarian fundamentalist religion for a slightly less authoritarian fundamentalist religion that lets her wear pants. Gift link to the article.

Mrs. Vuolo characterizes her current church in Southern California as very different than the environment she was raised in. The church, Grace Community Church, is led by John MacArthur, a popular pastor known for his rigorous preaching style, his opposition to “superstitious” charismatic theology and, more recently, his resistance to keeping his church closed in the early stages of the coronavirus pandemic.

The church is conservative on issues like homosexuality, gender, and women in church leadership. Christianity Today reported this week that leaders at the church repeatedly advised women to avoid reporting their abusive husbands and fathers to authorities, and instead to forgive and submit to them.
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A Duggar Revisits Her Religious Upbringing (Published 2023)

Jinger Duggar Vuolo, who was one of 19 children on a popular reality show, becomes a powerful voice in a trend of young adults re-examining their own conservative Christian childhoods.
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(I have not read the book and am not suggesting the opinions are not sincerely her own, but note the ghost-writer.)
The church plays a large role in Mrs. Vuolo’s family’s life. Her husband leads a Bible study group for college students and is employed by a seminary affiliated with the church, the Master’s Seminary, where he is working on a doctorate of ministry. “Becoming Free Indeed” credits a ghostwriter named Corey Williams who is the seminary’s chief communication officer.

“This is what people won’t like about this story,” said Austin Duncan, director of the seminary’s MacArthur Center for Expository Preaching, who knows the Vuolos well. “They still have a standard of authority that’s outside of themselves.”

Coverage of the book in the evangelical press has been largely favorable, with many noting Mrs. Vuolo’s distinction between “disentangling” and deconstruction.

Mr. Duncan and his wife have counseled Mrs. Vuolo as she has settled into a life in California. Mrs. Vuolo stays home with her young girls for now, volunteers with the church and often hosts college students from her husband’s Bible study at their home.
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MacArthur is the worst. He and his groupies are downright cultish. One of those groupies of his became the pastor at the church I used to attend. I'd been at that church for 30 years -- his disturbing views and narrowmindedness drove me out.

I won't say Jinger has gone from the frying pan into the fire, exactly, because her previous situation was so bad. I'll just say that she hasn't gotten out of the frying pan. I hope someday she can.
 
Barbara Manatee said:
She's traded one authoritarian fundamentalist religion for a slightly less authoritarian fundamentalist religion that lets her wear pants. Gift link to the article.
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This summary cracked me up. It's true too.

Wyliefan said:
I won't say Jinger has gone from the frying pan into the fire, exactly, because her previous situation was so bad. I'll just say that she hasn't gotten out of the frying pan. I hope someday she can.
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It's like the heat has turned from high down to medium.
 
I think Jill's break with her parents stemmed from some complications with one of her labor/delivery experiences. That probably accounts for the width of the breach.
 
Wyliefan said:
MacArthur is the worst. He and his groupies are downright cultish. One of those groupies of his became the pastor at the church I used to attend. I'd been at that church for 30 years -- his disturbing views and narrowmindedness drove me out.

I won't say Jinger has gone from the frying pan into the fire, exactly, because her previous situation was so bad. I'll just say that she hasn't gotten out of the frying pan. I hope someday she can.
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Baby steps.

She will figure it out eventually if she keeps on the same path of sincerely seeking God.
 
Speaking of John MacArthur, it was Julie Roys who originally starting exposing the stuff Grace Community Church has done to women in awful or even abusive situations. The story of Eileen Gray is particularly troubling. She and her team have also covered other situations - including Ravi Zacharias, the Master’s Seminary, the Southern Baptist Convention, and Mark Driscoll.

If you care for religious reporting, I highly recommend following The Roys Report and getting on the email list. She also has a YouTube channel that I highly recommend.
 
MsZem said:
Jill and Jessa wear pants too ;) And Jill seems to have made more of a break with her upbringing than the rest of them.
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Even Jana has been seen wearing pants :drama:.
ilovepaydays said:
Speaking of John MacArthur, it was Julie Roys who originally starting exposing the stuff Grace Community Church has done to women in awful or even abusive situations. The story of Eileen Gray is particularly troubling.
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Christianity Today has an article about this, too. I also read a thread on Twitter where David French had commented on this; some of the replies he got were :yikes:.
 
Prancer said:
Christianity Today has an article about this, too. I also read a thread on Twitter where David French had commented on this; some of the replies he got were :yikes:.
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Hohn Cho should be applauded for speaking out. Grace Community Church has apparently scrubbed any existence of Cho from their website.

Cho has issued this statement on Facebook.

I wonder if Grace Community Church is going to go the way of the Mark Driscoll & Mars Hill implosion in 2014. There’s a reason why “The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill” was the most popular religious podcast of 2021.

BTW, The Evangelical Christian hard-right/“theobros” HATE David French. They can’t comprehend how he is willing to have his conservatives views and understand his pragmatism for living in a diverse and pluralistic country. Never mind that French, with his work at the ACLJ, ADF, and FIRE, actually did more to defend religious and speech liberties than any of these “theobros” combined. ?
 
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I can't stand the way some religions make up rules (mostly for women) that make no sense. Does their Bible dictate anything about women wearing pants? Or pushing out baby after baby? GMAFB
 
If everyone had kids like this, the world would become way too small in a very short period of time. Not sustainable so stop breeding like rabbits please.
 
ilovepaydays said:
BTW, The Evangelical Christian hard-right/“theobros” HATE David French. They can’t comprehend how he is willing to have his conservatives views and understand his pragmatism for living in a diverse and pluralistic country. Never mind that French, with his work at the ACLJ, ADF, and FIRE, actually did more to defend religious and speech liberties than any of these “theobros” combined. ?
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Oh, I know they do. I am just always shocked by it, because his approach to religious belief has always seemed to me to be principled, whether I agree with him or not. And Biblically speaking, Christians should be removing bad leaders and should be vigilant in protecting the flock, even from predators within.
 
Wyliefan said:
This thread says that Hohn Cho also called out Douglas Wilson, who is even worse than MacArthur. Way worse. Cho sounds like a stand-up guy. I'm just sorry he was stuck in that wretched church for so long, but then again, if he hadn't been, he wouldn't be able to give us all these firsthand accounts.

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Doug Wilson is pretty horrifying. This Instagram account gives a pretty good takedown of everything that’s gone wrong at his Moscow, ID church.

And then there was the NBC Meet the Press segment that aired last fall. I was kind of surprised that no one here posted about it. ?
 
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I got a notification that a Duggar/IBLP expose featuring Jill along with Jinger and Amy is going to be available on Amazon prime June 2. That should be horrifying but gripping.
 
Badams said:
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So I am watching this right now, and I just have to ask how Jill's husband Derick made it through the parent's censors??? I am sure they still live somewhat like how they were raised, but he's not at all what I would expect a Duggar to allow one of their daughters to marry. Also, Josh was creepy, entitled, and gross from the very beginning.
 
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