The Heir, The Spare and the “Baby Brain” -The Prince Harry and Meghan show rumbles on…

[airgelaal]

In my opinion a spouse should/does stand up for a spouse, especially to family members.

I agree. But it all depends on to what extent.
It's great when all the new family members can make friends with the old ones. But it doesn't always happen that way. And that's normal. And all attempts to "make friends" and prove something end badly. In this case, only time and distance help. Judging by the book, Harry hoped that Meghan would become everyone's favorite in the family. She will become the new Diana for everyone. But that didn't happen. And from the very beginning, he reacted sharply to all minor conflicts. The tension grew and he began to look for the culprits. Of course, the family and the press were to blame. And it's sad. I do not believe that anyone had an evil intention, but the result is sad.

 

[millyskate]

Ok, but no one has her at any event without every guest or anyone involved being pre approved by someone on the RF payroll. Someone in the inner circle approved that list.

Well no, I don’t think the guest lists for events attended by the Queen consort necessary get approved. I suspect they don’t.
Every time I read assumptions on this thread my mind boggles - I guess being British does give one more head start into understanding the Royal Family than I realised.
Does Kate’s outfit get vetted before Meghan’s wedding = yes, does the Queen Consort’s team vet every guest at an event she attends = no, highly unlikely.

I never believed one iota that Meghan didn’t know the things she claimed to ignore (like not being allowed to keep freebies) as they seemed so obvious but maybe we’re more conditioned to know these things here than I realised.

I’ve been at locations attended by members of the royal family and had friends meet the Queen / be at events with her and there was no vetting of individuals at all - but quite a lot of inspecting the premises for security reasons ahead of their arrival.

 

[airgelaal]

Well no, I don’t think the guest lists for events attended by the Queen consort necessary get approved. I suspect they don’t.

I think the palace just has a black list and the organizers have it. People from this list are simply not invited. I do not think that the palace separately rechecks all the lists.

 

[antmanb]

I would bet my house that the metropolitan police receive the full guest list of anyone who will be attending an event with the Queen Consort. If they didn't how on earth could they possibly provide security services in any meaningful away? Anyone who is going to be spending an extended period of time in an enclosed space with members of the royal family will be vetted by the met I'm sure. I would also be very surprised (but wouldn't bet my house on it) if the Palace don't at least check the various names of the invited guests at event to do background research and at least provide some discussion/talking points.

 

[millyskate]

It’s not been my experience but then the event type was a little different.

The security I witnessed constituted of extensive dog searches of the premises before the arrival of the member of the RF. It was a lesser member but there was no interest at all in who would actually be present.
A friend of mine recently met the King and was pictured with him etc at an event she was playing a prominent part in. I would be highly surprised knowing how these events are organised if lists of participants are drawn up or if she even knew she was going to be introduced to the King ahead of time.

The royal family members regularly attend church services and concerts where attendees are not listed ahead of time so I’m not sure how/if charity events differ.

 

[skategal]

I would bet my house that the metropolitan police receive the full guest list of anyone who will be attending an event with the Queen Consort. If they didn't how on earth could they possibly provide security services in any meaningful away? Anyone who is going to be spending an extended period of time in an enclosed space with members of the royal family will be vetted by the met I'm sure. I would also be very surprised (but wouldn't bet my house on it) if the Palace don't at least check the various names of the invited guests at event to do background research and at least provide some discussion/talking points.

Yep.

I attended an event here in Canada with the Governor General present. Security was all aware of who we were.

We were not allowed to bring anyone else with us.

We could not give our invitation to anyone else. We had to show our ID and invitation to enter.

We were all told exactly when we should arrive and what door to use when we got there. If we didn’t arrive then and using the specified door, we would not be allowed in.

We were given a list of what could be brought inside and what couldn’t and an agenda of what would happen when.

My work team was one of the honourees attending to accept an award.

That was only for the Governor General (Queens Representative in Canada).

So I imagine it would be just as tight for the Royal Family.

 

[airgelaal]

Yep.

I attended an event here in Canada with the Governor General present. Security was all aware of who we were.

We were not allowed to bring anyone else with us.

We could not give our invitation to anyone else. We had to show our ID and invitation to enter.

We were all told exactly when we should arrive and what door to use when we got there. If we didn’t arrive then and using the specified door, we would not be allowed in.

We were given a list of what could be brought inside and what couldn’t and an agenda of what would happen when.

My work team was one of the honourees attending to accept an award.

That was only for the Governor General (Queens Representative in Canada).

So I imagine it would be just as tight for the Royal Family.

The same level of security was at those Eurovisions that I attended.
But I was also at some events where the president and the prime minister were. The level of security was much lower.
Everything depends not only on the importance of the person, but also on the importance of the event.

 

[skategal]

The same level of security was at those Eurovisions that I attended.
But I was also at some events where the president and the prime minister were. The level of security was much lower.
Everything depends not only on the importance of the person, but also on the importance of the event.

The only important person at our event was the Governor General which is a cushy job but one seen as very easily replaced.

All the rest were us working class stiffs who were lucky enough to win an award for our work.

So not a glamorous event with any irreplaceable people present.

No event in Canada with the Prime Minister present would ever be unvetted.

 

[once_upon]

When I went to the H Clinton campaign event in 2016, security was tight (both as a presidential candidate but also a wife of a previous president). They obviously couldn't do total pre screen thousands of us who were random supporters. But there was security everywhere - visible and unknown strategically placed in unknown places. We had to go through 2 scanners, through several different hallways, 2 buildings. Some people got selfies, some people got short conversations always less than 10-15 seconds. But no one was close for any length of time.

But the invited private activities - was much, much higher screenings. Those were invitation only.

I was in DC in 2003. I was on a bus tour that let us off at the National Square near the WH. In our group was a retired security officer (I don't remember all details of who he worked with) standing next to me. He told the group, even as far back as we were standing we were being scanned and eye recognition software was being done on, going through data bases.

I can't believe similar scans/screens aren't done for BRF. Plus it's not unknown who Clarkson is and his beliefs andthat he would be present.

You might be right security is not as detailed in England but I'm skeptical.

 

[marbri]

Yep.

I attended an event here in Canada with the Governor General present. Security was all aware of who we were.

We were not allowed to bring anyone else with us.

We could not give our invitation to anyone else. We had to show our ID and invitation to enter.

We were all told exactly when we should arrive and what door to use when we got there. If we didn’t arrive then and using the specified door, we would not be allowed in.

We were given a list of what could be brought inside and what couldn’t and an agenda of what would happen when.

My work team was one of the honourees attending to accept an award.

That was only for the Governor General (Queens Representative in Canada).

So I imagine it would be just as tight for the Royal Family.

My father got an award from the Governor General at Rideau Hall and a lot of what you are talking about is as much about organisation and control over guest lists than anything else. Only my mother could attend, for instance, so her name and invite was for her only and not allowed to be transferred.

Hell when my husband had his citizenship ceremony in Ottawa they are very very specific about number of guests, time to arrive, where to enter, etc...

That's just typical anal Canadian government oversharing and over planning and making everything seem so f**cking formal and scary that you think if you fail to follow instructions and sign your name in the wrong place (or show up at the wrong door) you are committing a federal crime. I mean just filling out your taxes or applying for a passport can put the fear of God in you with threats that if you mess up you go to the back of the line and have to start all over

But since this is all about Camilla attending the same event as Jeremy Clarkson that event took place BEFORE Clarkson wrote that vile piece. So at that stage would he have been on anyone's radar? As for Piers Morgan he is press and a cockroach sycophant so he will be everywhere. There were A LOT of British stars at that luncheon so I don't know that Piers sitting at a table somewhere amongst a crowd would stop me from attending a luncheon where Judi Dench, Maggie Smith and a slew of others were going to be. I don't have to talk to him... And it's important to keep in mind that despite what clickbait tabloid misleading headlines suggest it wasn't her luncheon, she didn't make the guest list AND those were two men (or ONE man considering the timeline) out of a lot of really interesting British celebrities who were present.

 

[marbri]

The only important person at our event was the Governor General which is a cushy job but one seen as very easily replaced.

All the rest were us working class stiffs who were lucky enough to win an award for our work.

So not a glamorous event with any irreplaceable people present.

No event in Canada with the Prime Minister present would ever be unvetted.

Just to be an asshole When he shows up on the Hill for Canada Day (for example) the crowd is not vetted. Nor are they vetted when the Royals or other dignitaries show up. That is when they have bodyguards, snipers on buildings and security watching the crowds etc...

To be honest, and this rings true for a few countries I have been in, the most super hyper security I have ever witnessed is when US Presidents/Vice Presidents are around. I will never forget sitting on the highway here where all traffic was stopped on both sides of an overpass because Pence was in town and would be travelling on the road below us.

 

[skategal]

My father got an award from the Governor General at Rideau Hall and a lot of what you are talking about is as much about organisation and control over guest lists than anything else. Only my mother could attend, for instance, so her name and invite was for her only and not allowed to be transferred.

Hell when my husband had his citizenship ceremony in Ottawa they are very very specific about number of guests, time to arrive, where to enter, etc...

That's just typical anal Canadian government oversharing and over planning and making everything seem so f**cking formal and scary that you think if you fail to follow instructions and sign your name in the wrong place (or show up at the wrong door) you are committing a federal crime. I mean just filling out your taxes or applying for a passport can put the fear of God in you with threats that if you mess up you go to the back of the line and have to start all over

But since this is all about Camilla attending the same event as Jeremy Clarkson that event took place BEFORE Clarkson wrote that vile piece. So at that stage would he have been on anyone's radar? As for Piers Morgan he is press and a cockroach sycophant so he will be everywhere. There were A LOT of British stars at that luncheon so I don't know that Piers sitting at a table somewhere amongst a crowd would stop me from attending a luncheon where Judi Dench, Maggie Smith and a slew of others were going to be. I don't have to talk to him... And it's important to keep in mind that despite what clickbait tabloid misleading headlines suggest it wasn't her luncheon, she didn't make the guest list AND those were two men (or ONE man considering the timeline) out of a lot of really interesting British celebrities who were present.

I think the enhanced security is for the Governor General because Canada (for some unknown reason) equates this position as something as important as the Prime Minister and gets similar security.

I’m betting security or someone in the RF staff knew Clarkson would be at the event and deemed is okay for him to be there. (Perhaps in retrospect they shouldn’t have.)

But I don’t think Camilla knew Clarkson was going to be there anymore than the Governor General knew I was going to be there before he handed me my award.

 

[skategal]

Just to be an asshole When he shows up on the Hill for Canada Day (for example) the crowd is not vetted. Nor are they vetted when the Royals or other dignitaries show up. That is when they have bodyguards, snipers on buildings and security watching the crowds etc...

To be honest, and this rings true for a few countries I have been in, the most super hyper security I have ever witnessed is when US Presidents/Vice Presidents are around. I will never forget sitting on the highway here where all traffic was stopped on both sides of an overpass because Pence was in town and would be travelling on the road below us.

We got stuck downtown all one day because Bush was coming into a Defence conference to speak and then leave again.

 

[marbri]

I think the enhanced security is for the Governor General because Canada (for some unknown reason) equates this position as something as important as the Prime Minister and gets similar security.

I’m betting security or someone in the RF staff knew Clarkson would be at the event and deemed is okay for him to be there. (Perhaps in retrospect they shouldn’t have.)

But I don’t think Camilla knew Clarkson was going to be there anymore than the Governor General knew I was going to be there before he handed me my award.

Agree. But just to reiterate for others reading this, the luncheon happened BEFORE Clarkson wrote the offensive piece. So at that point he was just another celebrity at a luncheon.

 

[marbri]

We got stuck downtown all one day because Bush was coming into a Defence conference to speak and then leave again.

It's insane.
I just remember when this happened for Pence people were . But at the time the ambassador here was a real asshole with a superiority complex (totally unqualified and clearly got the appointment for the wrong reasons). My daughter was working at a very exclusive hotel and Pence's wife was going to hop over there for some spa treatment and he showed up with his team insisting entrance to all the rooms for security. They were basically told to go pound sand and under no circumstances would they be allowed to enter rooms that had guests in them.

 

[skategal]

Agree. But just to reiterate for others reading this, the luncheon happened BEFORE Clarkson wrote the offensive piece. So at that point he was just another celebrity at a luncheon.

A celebrity with a long track record of making racist, ableist, anti-environmentalism and anti-LGBTQ comments.

Why he would be invited into the Queen Consort’s presence is a bit of a head scratcher.

But again, it’s not her fault.

 

[Badams]

Exactly, my point was the media can be brutal. Meghan made it seem like she was the only one under attack, but there have been countless of unflattering stories out and the Royal Family managed just fine. No one cried how unfair it was.

Well maybe they should. It makes sense that Meghan would speak up for herself and call the media out. She can't help it if none of the others did.

 

[once_upon]

It's my understanding Clarkson was a known reporter and had written about the BRF in tabloids for years? In my experience you don't wake up one morning and decide to write vile stuff. Again, I don't live in England so maybe that security level isn't a big deal. And maybe you do suddenly write vile racist stuff.

I lived in an area where Presidents, Vice Presidents, Cabinet Members flew into the AFB frequently for over 40 + years I lived there. I can't tell you the number of times I had to reroute my travels in and out of my neighborhood.

I worked in the connecting adult hospital where a Vice President was treated in the Emergency Room - all staff working that shift and shifts before and after were highly investigated. All i knew was i couldnt be in certain areas without clearance.

At one time, a president went to a baseball game-my boss' son in law was SWAT at the time. There's a hell of a lot that happens behind the scenes regarding people surrounding him.

I'm done. I know I said it before, i hope i can stick with it this time. I've said Meghan and Harry are not totally innocent but neither is the BRF and some of their actions are right in front of you.

 

[marbri]

Many of their actions, all sides, are right in front of us. But most only want to see what they want to see ?‍

As for Clarkson I already gave my opinion on him back when that article first appeared.

 

[MacMadame]

Why he would be invited into the Queen Consort’s presence is a bit of a head scratcher.

All the events described here are different and seem to be handled differently. Obviously, no one can vet a crowd that forms without tickets. In fact, no event that doesn't have tickets that can be purchased ahead of time could be vetted and neither could outdoor events that aren't fenced in with controlled entry. So they just don't compare to an invite-only event.

In this case, Camila wasn't a prominent guest, right? I mean she didn't give a speech or get/give an award unless I'm missing that being reported. She was just there like every other guest. I can't see the Palace going over the guest list and vetoing people that are nasty in case they happen to talk to her when she's just a guest.

Many of their actions, all sides, are right in front of us. But most ALL only want to see what they want to see ?‍

I know the Meghan detractors think they are oh-so objective and her defenders are blind but I think some of you need to look in the mirror on this one.

 

[skategal]

All the events described here are different and seem to be handled differently. Obviously, no one can vet a crowd that forms without tickets. In fact, no event that doesn't have tickets that can be purchased ahead of time could be vetted and neither could outdoor events that aren't fenced in with controlled entry. So they just don't compare to an invite-only event.

In this case, Camila wasn't a prominent guest, right? I mean she didn't give a speech or get/give an award unless I'm missing that being reported. She was just there like every other guest. I can't see the Palace going over the guest list and vetoing people that are nasty in case they happen to talk to her when she's just a guest.


I know the Meghan detractors think they are oh-so objective and her defenders are blind but I think some of you need to look in the mirror on this one.

Clarkson has been pretty “out there” though with his harsh commentary of public people (British PM), as well as other previous comments about Meghan, racist, ableist, anti environmentalism, anti LGBTQ+ comments for many years.

So no, not every guest with the potential for nasty comments would get vetoed but I’m a little surprised he didn’t.

 

[marbri]

I know the Meghan detractors think they are oh-so objective and her defenders are blind but I think some of you need to look in the mirror on this one.

What mirror should the Harry detractors look in? Because I don't think I am in any way a Meghan detractor...

 

[made_in_canada]

Clarkson has been pretty “out there” though with his harsh commentary of public people (British PM), as well as other previous comments about Meghan, racist, ableist, anti environmentalism, anti LGBTQ+ comments for many years.

So no, not every guest with the potential for nasty comments would get vetoed but I’m a little surprised he didn’t.

I don't think it's that surprising. He's kind of like Don Cherry, who was also invited to all kinds of things. Those kinds of guys say all kinds of mildly to outright offensive things that are mostly tolerated. It's part of their schtick. It's marketable, sadly.

 

[skategal]

I don't think it's that surprising. He's kind of like Don Cherry, who was also invited to all kinds of things. Those kinds of guys say all kinds of mildly to outright offensive things that are mostly tolerated. It's part of their schtick. It's marketable, sadly.

Don Cherry was bad but this dude is downright vile.

The list of comments he has made and actions he has done over the years are on his Wikipedia under Controversies.

Jeremy Clarkson - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[overedge]

Clarkson has been pretty “out there” though with his harsh commentary of public people (British PM), as well as other previous comments about Meghan, racist, ableist, anti environmentalism, anti LGBTQ+ comments for many years.

So no, not every guest with the potential for nasty comments would get vetoed but I’m a little surprised he didn’t.

Clarkson got a very successful and popular TV show (Top Gear) cancelled because he got drunk and punched one of the producers and called them the c-word. And even on that show he said and did some things that were not exactly friendly toward certain ethnic/racial groups, and certain countries. So yeah, he has a record.

But that being said, and I'm not defending him in any way for the offensive comments he's made, he knows how to behave appropriately in public settings. Even though he doesn't like Meghan - putting it mildly - it's highly unlikely that he would show up at an event with Camilla or any member of the BRF and say something like "so what's up with that [racial epithet] relative of yours?" He's not going to be banned from something because he might say something bad. His worst stuff is in his columns and his other print work, where it seems he can say whatever he wants. Well, up until recently anyway.

 

[skategal]

Clarkson got a very successful and popular TV show (Top Gear) cancelled because he got drunk and punched one of the producers and called them the c-word. And even on that show he said and did some things that were not exactly friendly toward certain ethnic/racial groups, and certain countries. So yeah, he has a record.

But that being said, and I'm not defending him in any way for the offensive comments he's made, he knows how to behave appropriately in public settings. Even though he doesn't like Meghan - putting it mildly - it's highly unlikely that he would show up at an event with Camilla or any member of the BRF and say something like "so what's up with that [racial epithet] relative of yours?" He's not going to be banned from something because he might say something bad. His worst stuff is in his columns and his other print work, where it seems he can say whatever he wants. Well, up until recently anyway.

He showed up at a Car Show and asked the workers at the Hyundai booth if they were serving dog in the meals and then went to BMW and asked them if they were Nazis so I’m not convinced he knows how to act appropriately in public.

 

[Andora]

I think it's more disappointing that someone with a track record like Clarkson hasn't faced enough consequences, and so he's considered a valuable guest at an event of such cache that Camilla is at.

It's not on Camilla, but for me it's a reflection of British society and its struggles to move forward in general. There's no one person to blame, and plenty of gobshite pricks that benefit, including many members of the BRF.

I still think the palace should have said something, but not because he was at a shared event with Camilla earlier. It's the right thing to do, especially with H&M's more recent claims. But "The Firm" certainly chooses its battles unwisely.

 

[overedge]

He showed up at a Car Show and asked the workers at the Hyundai booth if they were serving dog in the meals and then went to BMW and asked them if they were Nazis so I’m not convinced he knows how to act appropriately in public.

Believe me, I'm not defending that behaviour, but that's the sort of attitude he used to display on Top Gear. So he probably thought he was playing to the Top Gear audience by saying that sort of thing. That IMO is different from being worried that he might show up at a reception where Royals were present and possibly say something awful about Meghan.

AFAIK Prince Philip didn't get banned from attending receptions where there might be Asian or Aboriginal people because he said racist things about Asians and Aboriginals.

 

[skategal]

Believe me, I'm not defending that behaviour, but that's the sort of attitude he used to display on Top Gear. So he probably thought he was playing to the Top Gear audience by saying that sort of thing. That IMO is different from being worried that he might show up at a reception where Royals were present and possibly say something awful about Meghan.

AFAIK Prince Philip didn't get banned from attending receptions where there might be Asian or Aboriginal people because he said racist things about Asians and Aboriginals.

I don’t think anyone in Britain would ban the Monarch’s spouse from anything regardless of what they did.

But a TV presenter who has been sued and fired for racist remarks is not quite the same status.

You may not be defending his behaviour but you sure seem to be defending inviting a raging racist to an event with the Royal Family members in attendance.

 

[overedge]

I don’t think anyone in Britain would ban the Monarch’s spouse from anything regardless of what they did.

But a TV presenter who has been sued and fired for racist remarks is not quite the same status.

You may not be defending his behaviour but you sure seem to be defending inviting a raging racist to an event with the Royal Family members in attendance.

No, I'm not defending him being invited, and frankly I don't appreciate you interpreting my comments that way. I'm discussing why I think he might not be as "dangerous" as is being portrayed. I wouldn't invite him to anything simply because he's a bloviating egomaniac, but that's different from not inviting him for fear of him being racist.

He's much more than a TV presenter BTW. He's also a newspaper columnist and the author of several very successful books. He's a very well-connected and very well-known media personality, for better or for worse. That is how he gets invited to these sorts of events in the first place.