USFS' Athlete Selection Procedures for 2022 Olympics

[Sylvia]

I assert they are going to chose the people they like and skaters who individuals on the committee

Are you missing a word in the bolded part?

I think you just posted this in the wrong thread in the Kiss & Cry section so I've copied your post over here:

I have read through most of the report..............boy is that boring.
I did not find any clear, precise, and equitable that says any thing other than

Well we are going to look at all the events, and who skated the best at said events.
(um....if you are skating against 3 Russians, and 3 Japanese you are screwed.There is not way to quantify this).

They should just pick whom they want, and who will do the best, looking at NOW, and pick them.
They are going to do that anywhere. And I don't even think that is unfair. In this jumble there is no criteria to judge by. I did not see any information about ranking the events the skaters went to.
Why not just pick from Nationals? That seems best to me.

 

[AxelAnnie]

Are you missing a word in the bolded part?

I think you just posted this in the wrong thread in the Kiss & Cry section so I've copied your post over here:

Sorry about the wrong thread. And I did miss a word: Right now I can't figure out what I meant. Lovely. It will come to me .... or not.

Are you missing a word in the bolded part?

I think you just posted this in the wrong thread in the Kiss & Cry section so I've copied your post over here:

Yep I am missing a word. I seem to have lost my edit button.

 

[VGThuy]

She could make Group 2, maybe, if she is able to compete at Warsaw Cup and Golden Spin (assuming she is assigned) and scores above 208 at each, or if she does just one and scores equal to whatever Tuk scored at Worlds (216?) But I'm not holding my breath that she'll be able to compete at Warsaw Cup.

Thanks! There is still some hope for her if she can sneak in an international.

I think (if I read it correctly) Bradie can be in Group 3 if she makes bronze or better at Nationals.

Since most of the other US women are going to be no better than Group 3, she should be okay.

You’re right. She can place top 3 at nationals and that in of itself is enough for group 3 consideration. I misread it the first time and thought it was “AND” in conjunction with the 2021 international scores when it was “OR” for group 3.

 

[AxelAnnie]

That’s why I said USFS is not a fool as some are, a reason why so many believe in Trump’s lies in this country.

What in the world are you trying to say? What you said makes no sense.

 

[Karen-W]

Group update after this week's Skate Canada - the only change is that Nathan is back, firmly, in Group 1. I also took Carreira/Ponomarenko off of the "on the cusp of Group 4 status" because 1) she doesn't have citizenship and 2) their SCI score this week.

Women and Pairs remains as muddled as ever. The 3rd spot for the men is Jason's to lose but today wasn't a step in the direction he needs to go. Hawayek/Baker need to come out really strong in 2 weeks at NHK if they plan on warding off the fast rising Green/Parsons. I fully expect GrePar to match their 4th place showing today at SCI again at next week's Gran Premio d'Italia - and they might even sneak in for a medal if Stepanova/Bukin don't make it.

Men
Group 1 - Nathan Chen
Group 2 – Vincent Zhou
Group 3 - Jason Brown
Group 4 - Ilia Malinin* (214 at JGP Courchevel 1 & 245 at JGP Austria)
*** on the cusp of Group 4 status - Jimmy Ma

Women
Group 2 - Alysa Liu
Group 3 - Karen Chen
Group 4 - Amber Glenn, Bradie Tennell*, Lindsay Thorngren* (181 at JGP Courchevel 1 & 193 at JGP Ljubljana)
*** on the cusp of Group 4 status - Starr Andrews

Pairs
Group 3 - Ashley Cain-Gribble/Timothy LeDuc, Jessica Calalang/Brian Johnson, Alexa Knierim/Brandon Frazier
*** on the cusp of Group 4 status - Chelsea Liu/Danny O'Shea, Katie McBeath/Nathan Bartholomay, Anastasiia Smirnova/Danylo Siianytsia (153 at JGP Poland & 156 at JGP Austria)

Dance
Group 2 - Madison Chock/Evan Bates, Madison Hubbell/Zachary Donohue
Group 4 - Caroline Green/Michael Parsons, Kaitlyn Hawayek/Jean-Luc Baker*

* = yet to make 2021-22 senior debut

ETA - Of the main contenders in each discipline, Mariah Bell is the only one that doesn't have any qualifying events yet to consider.

 

[jlai]

Group update after this week's Skate Canada - the only change is that Nathan is back, firmly, in Group 1. I also took Carreira/Ponomarenko off of the "on the cusp of Group 4 status" because 1) she doesn't have citizenship and 2) their SCI score this week.

Women and Pairs remains as muddled as ever. The 3rd spot for the men is Jason's to lose but today wasn't a step in the direction he needs to go. Hawayek/Baker need to come out really strong in 2 weeks at NHK if they plan on warding off the fast rising Green/Parsons. I fully expect GrePar to match their 4th place showing today at SCI again at next week's Gran Premio d'Italia - and they might even sneak in for a medal if Stepanova/Bukin don't make it.

Men
Group 1 - Nathan Chen
Group 2 – Vincent Zhou
Group 3 - Jason Brown
Group 4 - Ilia Malinin* (214 at JGP Courchevel 1 & 245 at JGP Austria)
*** on the cusp of Group 4 status - Jimmy Ma

Women
Group 2 - Alysa Liu
Group 3 - Karen Chen
Group 4 - Amber Glenn, Bradie Tennell*, Lindsay Thorngren* (181 at JGP Courchevel 1 & 193 at JGP Ljubljana)
*** on the cusp of Group 4 status - Starr Andrews

Pairs
Group 3 - Ashley Cain-Gribble/Timothy LeDuc, Jessica Calalang/Brian Johnson, Alexa Knierim/Brandon Frazier
*** on the cusp of Group 4 status - Chelsea Liu/Danny O'Shea, Katie McBeath/Nathan Bartholomay, Anastasiia Smirnova/Danylo Siianytsia (153 at JGP Poland & 156 at JGP Austria)

Dance
Group 2 - Madison Chock/Evan Bates, Madison Hubbell/Zachary Donohue
Group 4 - Caroline Green/Michael Parsons, Kaitlyn Hawayek/Jean-Luc Baker*

* = yet to make 2021-22 senior debut

ETA - Of the main contenders in each discipline, Mariah Bell is the only one that doesn't have any qualifying events yet to consider.

How did you come up with Liu in group 2? And C/B in group 2? C/B's score was slightly below 5th at 2021 worlds, I thought.

 

[Karen-W]

How did you come up with Liu in group 2? And C/B in group 2? C/B's score was slightly below 5th at 2021 worlds, I thought.

From page 1 of this thread where @Tahuu kindly put the group selection criteria into a lovely table -

	Group 1 Highest Priority	Group 2	Group 3	Group 4 Lowest Priority
CRITERIA FOR 2022 US CHAMPIONSHIPS	Placed in the top 3 AND	Placed in the top 5 AND	Placed in the top 3 OR	Placed in the top 5 OR
CRITERIA FOR 2021 INTERNATIONAL SCORES *	Consistently scored equal to Top 3 at 2021 Worlds M – 289+ W – 217+ P – 217+ D – 214+	Consistently scored equal to Top 5 at 2021 Worlds AND/OR scored once equal to Top 3 at 2021 Worlds M – 270+ W – 208+ P – 201+ D – 208+	Consistently scored equal to Top 10 at 2021 Worlds AND/OR scored once equal to Top 5 at 2021 Worlds M – 246+ W – 193+ P – 184+ D – 188+	Consistently scored equal to Top 15 at 2021 Worlds OR Scored once equal to Top 10 at 2021 Worlds M – 225+ W – 178+ P – 157+ D – 178+

I added in the Worlds Top 3, Top 5, Top 10, and Top 15 scores for each discipline to the table. Challenger Series events count in addition to GP, as do JGP events.

Alysa scored 219+ at Lombardia which places her in Group 2. Chock/Bates score from Finlandia was 208+ and also counts, not to mention both their Worlds and SkAm scores are included, so again, they're in Group 2 at this point, right along with Hubbell/Donohue.

 

[jlai]

Ah I forgot Lombardia

 

[yeslek]

Group update after this week's Skate Canada - the only change is that Nathan is back, firmly, in Group 1. I also took Carreira/Ponomarenko off of the "on the cusp of Group 4 status" because 1) she doesn't have citizenship and 2) their SCI score this week.

Women and Pairs remains as muddled as ever. The 3rd spot for the men is Jason's to lose but today wasn't a step in the direction he needs to go. Hawayek/Baker need to come out really strong in 2 weeks at NHK if they plan on warding off the fast rising Green/Parsons. I fully expect GrePar to match their 4th place showing today at SCI again at next week's Gran Premio d'Italia - and they might even sneak in for a medal if Stepanova/Bukin don't make it.

Men
Group 1 - Nathan Chen
Group 2 – Vincent Zhou
Group 3 - Jason Brown
Group 4 - Ilia Malinin* (214 at JGP Courchevel 1 & 245 at JGP Austria)
*** on the cusp of Group 4 status - Jimmy Ma

Women
Group 2 - Alysa Liu
Group 3 - Karen Chen
Group 4 - Amber Glenn, Bradie Tennell*, Lindsay Thorngren* (181 at JGP Courchevel 1 & 193 at JGP Ljubljana)
*** on the cusp of Group 4 status - Starr Andrews

Pairs
Group 3 - Ashley Cain-Gribble/Timothy LeDuc, Jessica Calalang/Brian Johnson, Alexa Knierim/Brandon Frazier
*** on the cusp of Group 4 status - Chelsea Liu/Danny O'Shea, Katie McBeath/Nathan Bartholomay, Anastasiia Smirnova/Danylo Siianytsia (153 at JGP Poland & 156 at JGP Austria)

Dance
Group 2 - Madison Chock/Evan Bates, Madison Hubbell/Zachary Donohue
Group 4 - Caroline Green/Michael Parsons, Kaitlyn Hawayek/Jean-Luc Baker*

* = yet to make 2021-22 senior debut

ETA - Of the main contenders in each discipline, Mariah Bell is the only one that doesn't have any qualifying events yet to consider.

Wouldn’t knierim and Frazier be group 2? Didn’t they break 200 at all of their events so far?

 

[Karen-W]

Wouldn’t knierim and Frazier be group 2? Didn’t they break 200 at all of their events so far?

They only have 2 events that count so far - Worlds 2021 and SkAm. Right now, they're not consistently scoring in the Top 5 but if they match their SkAm score at IdF, then yes, they would move into Group 2.

 

[yeslek]

They only have 2 events that count so far - Worlds 2021 and SkAm. Right now, they're not consistently scoring in the Top 5 but if they match their SkAm score at IdF, then yes, they would move into Group 2.

Gotcha. I didn’t realize 3 scores is what was considered consistent. Thanks!! how does C/L consistently have over 184 then?

 

[Marco]

If Bradie does not compete in 3 or more internationals this season, does it mean she can't demonstrate 'consistent' scoring matching top 3 / 5 at Worlds and justify her eligibility?

 

[Karen-W]

Gotcha. I didn’t realize 3 scores is what was considered consistent. Thanks!! how does C/L consistently have over 184 then?

C-G/L have Worlds 2021 (185+), Finlandia (193) and now SCI (189+) - all in the "consistent Top 10" range, nothing high enough to move into the Group 2 tier yet.

 

[Karen-W]

If Bradie does not compete in 3 or more internationals this season, does it mean she can't demonstrate 'consistent' scoring matching top 3 / 5 at Worlds and justify her eligibility?

No, because Groups 3 & 4 are an either/or of Nationals "Placed in the Top 3" and "Placed in the Top 5" OR the International Scores criteria. She'll be fine for Group 3 if she can place in the top 3 at Nats seeing as none of the women not named Alysa seem to be skating well enough for Group 2 at this point.

 

[Coco]

She can be eligible for group 2 (assuming top 5 at nationals) if she equals or exceeds the top three from Worlds benchmark (217) one time in an international event. While that is a big ask as she's coming back from injury, it could happen.

 

[RoseRed]

Alysa scored 219+ at Lombardia which places her in Group 2. Chock/Bates score from Finlandia was 208+ and also counts, not to mention both their Worlds and SkAm scores are included, so again, they're in Group 2 at this point, right along with Hubbell/Donohue.

Well, technically the score for dance isn't 208+. It's 208.77. Which Chock/Bates have not hit this season. They got 208.31 at Finlandia and 208.23 at SA. So they only have one top 5 score atm, from Worlds 2021. Hubbell/Donohue have one top 3 score from Worlds, and a top 5 score from SA. So technically, C/B are only group 3 right now, while H/D are group 2.

Not that it matters, since C/B will absolutely be getting an Olympic spot. And I'm sure they'll end up in group 2 by Nationals.

 

[VGThuy]

It seems kind of pendantic that C/B are currently not in Group 2 due to 0.46 and 0.52 of one point. I think in that situation, the selection committee will use common sense.

 

[Debbie S]

"208+" means at or more than 208.0, not 209. Seriously?

 

[Vagabond]

It seems kind of pendantic that C/B are currently not in Group 2 due to 0.46 and 0.52 of one point. I think in that situation, the selection committee will use common sense.

I find it difficult to imagine a scenario in which an uninjured Chock & Bates do not get sent to the Olympics.

 

[RoseRed]

"208+" means at or more than 208.0, not 209. Seriously?

The USFS doesn't say 208+. They say 208.77+

 

[Jammers]

I just hope that the USFS doesn't become a slave to this new system and just use numbers to decide who goes to the Olympics. I don't care if Bradie doesn't compete until Nationals if she makes the podium i say send her to Beijing she has the resume that no one else among the US ladies has over the last 4 years.

 

[Coco]

@Jammers this new system weighs Nationals quite heavily. It is a well designed selection process. Have no fear.

If Bradie is top 3 at nationals, actually even just top 5, she is in Group 4 based on that + her results from 2021 Worlds. The way the year is going, most of her competition will be Group 3 at best.

If she is top 3 at Nationals, they will probably consider her Group 3 because as we have seen by their comments about Vincent's Worlds' results, they are construing things in the skater's favor. Will they do this for every skater? Not sure, but if Bradie is top 3 at Nationals, and that is her only event this season, I have to think they will declare her to have consistently scored at the top 10 threshold for her one international competition, lol.

 

[Karen-W]

I agree. I think if Bradie is top 3 at Nationals, she'll be on the Olympic team, barring a really messy competition with low scores from most of the skaters. And, even then, as long as she skates reasonably well, I can't see her not being named to the team since I don't think there's much chance of more than 1 or 2 skaters moving into Group 2 with Alysa.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

I agree. I think if Bradie is top 3 at Nationals, she'll be on the Olympic team, barring a really messy competition with low scores from most of the skaters. And, even then, as long as she skates reasonably well, I can't see her not being named to the team since I don't think there's much chance of more than 1 or 2 skaters moving into Group 2 with Alysa.

Do u think she’ll be at those other competitions in Europe in a few weeks?

 

[Theatregirl1122]

If she is top 3 at Nationals, they will probably consider her Group 3 because as we have seen by their comments about Vincent's Worlds' results, they are construing things in the skater's favor. Will they do this for every skater? Not sure, but if Bradie is top 3 at Nationals, and that is her only event this season, I have to think they will declare her to have consistently scored at the top 10 threshold for her one international competition, lol.

If she is top 3 at nationals, she doesn’t need them to “declare” anything. The group 3 criteria is top 3 at nationals OR consistently scored equal to the top 10. Not and. If you make the top 3 at nationals, you automatically make group 3 regardless of anything else.

 

[Karen-W]

Do u think she’ll be at those other competitions in Europe in a few weeks?

Not a clue. My gut says she probably won't make it to Warsaw Cup in a few weeks. At best, I think she might make it to Golden Spin in December but even that... I'm concerned about her status.

 

[VGThuy]

I just hope that the USFS doesn't become a slave to this new system and just use numbers to decide who goes to the Olympics. I don't care if Bradie doesn't compete until Nationals if she makes the podium i say send her to Beijing she has the resume that no one else among the US ladies has over the last 4 years.

I agree that if Bradie places in the top 3 then she deserves a spot at the Olympics. I think the selection procedures actually help Bradie and give her sort of situation consideration. It also helps that nobody else other than possibly Liu is making a stronger case. I don’t wants fans thinking she should just be handed a spot. If they argue for that, then Karen Chen placing a few spots ahead of her at Worlds should also be given one no matter how she skates, and nobody wants that.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Not a clue. My gut says she probably won't make it to Warsaw Cup in a few weeks. At best, I think she might make it to Golden Spin in December but even that... I'm concerned about her status.

Do we know what her programs are this year?

 

[MacMadame]

I agree that if Bradie places in the top 3 then she deserves a spot at the Olympics. I think the selection procedures actually help Bradie and give her sort of situation consideration. It also helps that nobody else other than possibly Liu is making a stronger case. I don’t wants fans thinking she should just be handed a spot. If they argue for that, then Karen Chen placing a few spots ahead of her at Nationals should also be given one no matter how she skates, and nobody wants that.

Lots of people want Karen Chen to make the Olympic team!

 

[Sylvia]

Do we know what her programs are this year?

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