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Trusova is fine with Plushenko though, Im sure she is more than delighted that Kostornaia left.
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Cherub721
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They wouldn't have been allowed, under today's rules, because they wouldn't make the minimum TES. There are skaters who do the JGP but can't get to Worlds because they can't achieve the TES. So the question to you is, is it unethical to have a minimum TES standard and should all the countries be represented at Worlds with no limit on the total number of entries? And if it could be unlimited, then would there be harm in allowing the strong countries 4 or 5 entries, since it wouldn't be taking away from anyone else?
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Or not been able to work his way up. In which case, the FS world could have been denied a legacy and the emergence of a pairs skating powerhouse.
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If he was good, he would get through. This way, when US lady number 20 or 50 is competing and number 4 sitting at home, we may be denied of a legacy and the emergence of a lady skating power house.
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I don't think it is unethical to have a minimum TES standard. But FS was different back when Bin Yao and partner were competing.
I think there should be a limit on the number of entries a country is allowed. Three as it is now works fine for me.
I do see harm in allowing the strong countries 4 or five entries at World and Olympic competitions. It limits opportunities for skaters from elsewhere, countries not strong or powerful in FS.
I like to see skaters from all over the world at Worlds and Olympics. To say again - I don't want a repeat of Russian/CanadianAmerican Nationals.
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@Japanfan you’re not considering anything that is different in the world now. Videos of every competition. Endless training materials, endless lower level competitions and more rinks. Bin Yao would have many other opportunities to see skaters internationally aside from Worlds. Back then, there were maybe 10 internationals a year, no junior or low level circuits, etc. Obviously they wanted every opportunity they could get because the source material was not there.
I remember getting into a long back and forth with another poster that kept insisting every country should have one entry to Worlds, until I asked if me skating for Peru should allow me a ticket just because I’m the only one and/or could possibly pay my own expenses. After all of that, the poster clapped back that the countries would establish a minimum competency. No shit, Sherlock. That’s no different the technical minimums are that are established by the ISU. So that poster essentially agreed that not ‘everyone’ should get a Worlds ticket, maybe because I used myself as the example
And for those of you still living in the ‘everyone gets to participate and get a trophy’ worlds, most sports have moved into some kind of minimum level in order to be able to enter, so this isn’t figure skating alone.
I remember getting into a long back and forth with another poster that kept insisting every country should have one entry to Worlds, until I asked if me skating for Peru should allow me a ticket just because I’m the only one and/or could possibly pay my own expenses. After all of that, the poster clapped back that the countries would establish a minimum competency. No shit, Sherlock. That’s no different the technical minimums are that are established by the ISU. So that poster essentially agreed that not ‘everyone’ should get a Worlds ticket, maybe because I used myself as the example
And for those of you still living in the ‘everyone gets to participate and get a trophy’ worlds, most sports have moved into some kind of minimum level in order to be able to enter, so this isn’t figure skating alone.
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Could we please go back to the original topic, namely Russian ladies and keep Bin Yao out of this?
I wonder whether Kostornaia will hand in another list of skaters non grata in case Eteri accepts her back.
I wonder whether Kostornaia will hand in another list of skaters non grata in case Eteri accepts her back.
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#20 or 50 could BE the legacy. Again, think Bin Yao.
#4 sits at home because the rules allow a maximum of 3 per country. #1 from elsewhere gets to compete in a WORLD or OLYMPIC competition. Them's the rules. IMHO, fair rules.
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Well, call me old fashioned, but I still believe that number 4 deserves it more than number 20 and 50. But whatever you say. No, I don’t think the rules are fair, and I do hope they will change one day. In the future.
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I am accepting bets, btw.
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The question should be, will Kostornaya sleep tonight! (And will Tinami sleep tonight? And she is not even in Russia! This sleeplessness seems to be contagious, clearly.)
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Well, I will. I've got a lot going on tomorrow. And if I lost sleep over every coaching change, I'd be a zombie. 
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I will sleep quite happily too. Firstly, I can’t change the outcome, whatever is decided tomorrow. So there is no point going without sleep and feeling rubbish tomorrow. Secondly, as much as I liked Alina’s skating, I think she is done. With Tutberidze or without, it won’t make much difference because there are only three spots at Europeans, Worlds and Olympics. She can continue skating and have up and down carer for the next ten years, but I don’t expect any medals at worlds or Olympics, because I don’t think she will be chosen to go. To be sent she would need to be in top three in Russia, and I don’t think she will be. But she can be successful at GP events, at B competitions and with a bit of luck, she may get on the national team (in reserve team).
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That's aside from the point - the argument is as to whether more skaters or less should be allowed from countries where skaters have lower TES than skaters elsewhere.
To tiredly repeat - I want skating to include skaters from all over the world at a World/Olympic competition. I don't want a repeat of Russian/Canadian/American Nats.
I remember getting into a long back and forth with another poster that kept insisting every country should have one entry to Worlds, until I asked if me skating for Peru should allow me a ticket just because I’m the only one and/or could possibly pay my own expenses. After all of that, the poster clapped back that the countries would establish a minimum competency. No shit, Sherlock. That’s no different the technical minimums are that are established by the ISU. So that poster essentially agreed that not ‘everyone’ should get a Worlds ticket, maybe because I used myself as the example
And for those of you still living in the ‘everyone gets to participate and get a trophy’ worlds, most sports have moved into some kind of minimum level in order to be able to enter, so this isn’t figure skating alone.
And if you, from Peru, meet that minimal level - then yes, you should be included at Worlds.
You're not arguing that point solely. You keep tiredly (sorry that you have to do so much work) repeating questioning whether Bin Yao should have been able to compete.
This is much different as he certainly wouldn't have hit the TES minimums that are now in place today, and has absolute zero to do with seeing only RUS/CAN/USA at Worlds.
And, now I'm repeating myself: said poster argued endlessly for every ISU member to have one automatic entry to Worlds, ONLY until I asked about myself skating for Peru. Then they changed their tune to 'well the country will have established minimums to skate at certain levels'. This is not any different than what the ISU has done with TES minimums. So no, none of you really want members from every single nation at Worlds. You are just deciding you want a different minimum than the ISU has.
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I never have been more grateful for the fact that here in Hamburg, kids and teachers don't have Easter holidays but March holidays (because that is when everyone is going on ski vacation up here in the North), so I have two weeks off and can enjoy all the drama to the fullest, accompanied by some 
Karen-W
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Right?! My job isn't part time, by any stretch, but productivity hits due to Russian skating drama won't fly with my manager, even when I am, by a long stretch, the most productive person on my team, lol.
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I predict a skate off between Kostornaya and Tuktamysheva in 2 weeks from now because the right coach said so...
I wouldn't doubt it in the right conditions, but Tuktamysheva is already officially named so I don't think that would fly with anyone. And I doubt Alena thinks she can get back to competitive in the time anyways versus starting to work hard for next year very early on.
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But Eteri won't be in her corner. Eteri is in the center of a very crowded room. There is no reason for Eteri to be committed to Aliona making the Olympic team. She wants 3 students on it, doesn't matter which 3, doesn't matter in what order.
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Watch this story by Sergei Rozanov on Instagram before it disappears.
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What he didn't specify is what are the fake news. Him wanting to go back, him getting turned down, or both? Maybe he is going back but it's a secret for now. We shall see.
As for Kostornaia, I don't think going back to Eteri is too far fetched. Although, I do worry about her health and well being. She's almost an adult (legally) and can make her own decisions though.
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I agree. Even Tutberidze can’t make miracles, and there is not much time left now. Bad showing at worlds would jot help Aliona, so Tutberidze does not have a reason to push for another skate off.
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Although, imagining Tutberidze in professor McGonagall’s costume, holding a wand and putting a spell on Aliona to skate better... I wonder if wingardium leviosa (the spell making things levitate) would be useful. Anything to give Aliona extra time in the air, to enable her to do one more revolution!
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I remember the pre-smartphone days where if I was out all day I'd come on and log onto FSU and if something major happened, there would be pages and pages of material to wade through. It took hours.
Heck, I remember logging into the university portal between classes to check the 2003 Worlds qualifying round results and seeing Liashenko ahead of Hughes but couldn't stick around to read the comments. 
Or the Christmas Eve where I had to keep ducking out of the family dinner to go catch up on the drama of Sasha Cohen's latest shocking coaching change. Despite working from home now I still feel like I'm not caught up on everything! It moves FAST.
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I am quite baffled, TBH. And not sure whether I am 'said poster'.
I don't want a different minimum that the ISU has - the minimum is important.
All I am saying is that I am okay with the 3 limit per country. I think it is fair. I want to see skaters from different countries at a World or Olympic competition. That does not mean members from any single nation. It means that skaters from different countries get to go to Worlds, rather than most skaters just representing a few strong FS countries.
Again - do you want a repeat of Canadian/American/Russian Nationals at Worlds?
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