ISU Grand Prix Assignments 2018/19 season

[kwanfan1818]

I think it's a matter of optics: where there was only the 7-/14-day rules and all withdrawals before then were "required" to be filled, then there was incentives for the Feds and the hosts to be sure official notification was made based on which side of the line the withdrawal should be recorded. Now, they don't have to fill those spots unless they lose three at the same time before the 14-day-mark. Even though there haven't been notably more last-minute withdrawals over the last few seasons, there may be a perception that there have been this season, to account for lack of replacements.

However, I don't think it's at all practical or should be expected to replace skaters the week of the event, especially since that's half a week, with the Leaders Meeting happening during official practices, unless it's a host spot in a discipline where there are a lot of options and/or a high-volume training area like Moscow, Detroit, or Montreal. There's a lot of organizing happening besides making last minute visa and travel arrangements, and the more the rush, the greater chance for error. If there are subs in those cases, that's gravy.

I think the way the replacements are selected, though, leaves much to be desired.

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

Somewhere in Moscow Eteri has turned to Danili and siad "Time to unleash The TRUSOVAAAAAAAAA!"

Haha. That makes her sound like Moseley and Dorsey's plan to try The Pamchenko!

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

I think the way the replacements are selected, though, leaves much to be desired.

Agreed. Skaters train to peak at competition. So, trying to find any form with a last minute invitation, really puts them at a massive disadvantage.

 

[allezfred]

Does it rhyme with Shakira Shakira Shakira?

It does actually. Or at least not too far off.

 

[muffinplus]

Does it rhyme with Shakira Shakira Shakira?

Well, we have Mariah Carey in the competition so why not Shakira...

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

Well, we have Mariah Carey in the competition so why not Shakira...

British Eurosport's Simon Reed is never going to live that down.

 

[gkelly]

I wonder how athletes were chosen to compete at Skate Canada, Skate America, Trophee Lalique, the NHK Trophy, and Moscow News back then?

And Nation's Cup.

I don't know. It wasn't centralized with a Grand Prix commission before the Champions Series/Grand Prix started. I don't know whether the host federations invited other federations to send X number of entries or whether they invited specific skaters personally.

 

[muffinplus]

British Eurosport's Simon Reed is never going to live that down.

He never even corrected himself on air!

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

He never even corrected himself on air!

Maybe he knows something we don't.

 

[muffinplus]

Maybe he knows something we don't.

Uncanny resemblance

 

[Wyliefan]

Somewhere in Moscow Eteri has turned to Danili and said "Time to unleash The TRUSOVAAAAAAAAA!"

That would be the TRRRRRUSOVA, per Johnny Weir.

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

And Nation's Cup.

I don't know. It wasn't centralized with a Grand Prix commission before the Champions Series/Grand Prix started. I don't know whether the host federations invited other federations to send X number of entries or whether they invited specific skaters personally.

I did a bit of a check and the choreographer to the stars, David Wilson, competed when it was called the Fujifilm Trophy back in 1986.

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

That would be the TRRRRRUSOVA, per Johnny Weir.

Or Scott Hamilton, with some uncomfortable bathroom sounds added for good measure.

 

[shuilee]

If/When Gracie Gold withdraws, is Russia allowed to have only 10 ladies? It'd be such a shame that CoR will have 2 unfilled ladies spots.

 

[tony]

If/When Gracie Gold withdraws, is Russia allowed to have only 10 ladies? It'd be such a shame that CoR will have 2 unfilled ladies spots.

The competition is going to go on regardless of last-minute withdrawals. There was a Cup of Russia one year where three ice dance teams withdrew between the short dance and the free dance, and I think there were only 8 teams to start the competition.

 

[Tavi]

If/When Gracie Gold withdraws, is Russia allowed to have only 10 ladies? It'd be such a shame that CoR will have 2 unfilled ladies spots.

So are you hoping Gracie will withdraw, or what? Because I think that’s worse by far than two unfilled spots.

 

[kwanfan1818]

Russia chose Gracie Gold in the initial selection despite knowing that her status could be delicate and that she could be a last-minute withdrawal: they weren't forced to.

 

[misskarne]

If/When Gracie Gold withdraws, is Russia allowed to have only 10 ladies? It'd be such a shame that CoR will have 2 unfilled ladies spots.

You are assuming she'll withdraw. We have had no information that she will.

 

[analia]

Withdraws happen all the time but this seems the first season that many skaters withdraw from one event then another instead of two at the same time.

 

[Willin]

Especially with the rise of Senior B's for top skaters, I think they should consider saying that you must withdraw from both GPs if you plan to withdraw before your first event.
Now, it may not be fair to skaters who are day-to-day recovering from injury, but it's also dangerous for them to come back too fast from an injury. It's also unfair to the skaters who could've otherwise have been invited only to have someone withdraw too late to call up the alternate.

TBH I don't think Gracie with withdraw. She's a fighter.

 

[Vagabond]

Repeat after me:

KIHIRA. KIHIRA. KIHIRA.

Que sera sera.

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

Que sera sera.

Or, if Allezfred has their way, "Qui sira sira"

 

[maatTheViking]

I think it's a bit shitty that audiences go to the expense of often buying tickets, hotel accommodation, and airfares, only to be handed this lack of consideration. Not to mention the skaters who are potentially losing out when athletes withdraw.

It's like attending a broadway play with actors absent. It makes me wonder if these organisations wonder where some of their finance is coming from!

I think it's time for the ISU to implement a stand-by policy where reserves are nominated in case skaters drop out.

I can be very hard to travel on such short notice for competitors - not just travel arrangements, readiness, but potential visas for skaters and coaches and possibly federation officials.

I think the 14 days make sense.

 

[gkelly]

I can be very hard to travel on such short notice for competitors - not just travel arrangements, readiness, but potential visas for skaters and coaches and possibly federation officials.

And changing their sleep schedules if they'll be crossing many timezones.

 

[Marco]

Is Rostelecom Cup used as Gracie Gold's bye through to Nationals?

 

[allezfred]

Or, if Allezfred has their way, "Qui sira sira"

Don’t think me pointing out that you’ve been spelling someone’s name incorrectly is me having my way. It’s more like you being wrong and not taking it very well.

 

[Jeschke]

Erokhov is out of Rostelecom
Lazukin is in.
https://isu.org/docman-documents-li...entries-2/17413-men-2018-19-all-6-events/file

Asked before, I know, but do we have any details on Erokhov?

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

I can be very hard to travel on such short notice for competitors - not just travel arrangements, readiness, but potential visas for skaters and coaches and possibly federation officials.

I think the 14 days make sense.

You would be amazed at how quickly Russia organised and approved visas for everyone (athletes, coaches, media) when the World Championships were transferred to Moscow in 2011.

 

[misskarne]

You would be amazed at how quickly Russia organised and approved visas for everyone (athletes, coaches, media) when the World Championships were transferred to Moscow in 2011.

They still had a month, IIRC. Not a handful of days.

 

[Frau Muller]

Is Rostelecom Cup used as Gracie Gold's bye through to Nationals?

Does Gracie have to compete through both phases of Rostelecom to get her Nationals bye? If she just shows up in Moscow and, for whatever reason, pulls out before the SP (heaven forbid), does she still get the Nationals bye?