Séguin and Bilodeau end skating partnership

ichiro said:
What a sad day for skating fans. I thought they would have gotten over their issues. His goals are extremely lofty thought a 100% health Julianne would maybe come close to the podium top 5 :)

Maybe she can skate with Dalmans brother.
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Daleman brother has a partner
 
Such a sad day in figure skating. Heartbroken about Denis and mad as hell at his murderers. Loved Julianne and Charlie as they had a special and different quality to their skating. Charlie breaking up the pair reminds me of Evan Bates leaving Emily Samuelson.
 
Despite the dissapointing results at worlds I still think they were on the right track so maybe the decission was due to her health problems?? Any day I would be bummed but today with Denis news it just feels mehh. I still hope the best for both though.

And yeah bad timing with Lubov already doing cirque du soleil. A team of Iliushechkina/Bilodeau would have been very promising.
 
SamuraiK said:
Despite the dissapointing results at worlds I still think they were on the right track so maybe the decission was due to her health problems?? Any day I would be bummed but today with Denis news it just feels mehh. I still hope the best for both though.

And yeah bad timing with Lubov already doing cirque du soleil. A team of Iliushechkina/Bilodeau would have been very promising.
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I don't know about Lubov. Her jumping issues would hold them back.
 
Alvyne said:
An article in French, with quotes from both Charlie and Julianne. She says she did not see it coming, but respects his decision. She too will be looking for a new partner.

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/sports/1113733/jai-senti-que-cetait-le-moment-charlie-bilodeau
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« C’est quand même un ami, un partenaire, presque un frère que je perds. On peut dire ça comme ça. Charlie, je l’aimais beaucoup, on s’entend. »
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"It's like I'm losing a friend, a partner, almost a brother. We can say it like that. Charlie, I loved him a lot, we get along."

:wuzrobbed :wuzrobbed :wuzrobbed :fragile:
 
I am surprised and dissaapointed to hear of this. I thought there best was still ahead. I am glad they got to experience the Olympics and have a great experience there.
 
dramagrrl said:
This is going to make it rather difficult for me to wish him well with any future partner(s). :mad:

(Feel free to tell me I’m being unreasonable, that skaters should be totally free to chase their own success, etc. etc. I understand those arguments logically, but I don’t emotionally agree. :( )
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You should really read the whole article before getting mad. He had good words for Julianne but the results in practice were not there, they were under the level they would have thought to be, under what they could do usually, so they were not progressing.

These athletes work hard, put a lot of money and time into it. What would you do if you knew you were topped as a skater, that you gave it a try and it just didn’t work anymore?

On the other hand I get what you mean... But there will always be a one person putting term to a partnership and that one person usually plays the bad role...
 
ChiquitaBanana said:
You should really read the whole article before getting mad.
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I did (and my French is quite good). I'm still mad. :mad:

These athletes work hard, put a lot of money and time into it. What would you do if you knew you were topped as a skater, that you gave it a try and it just didn’t work anymore?
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In terms of putting a lot of time and money into it, Julianne basically just lost the money of a summer's worth of training and choreography costs because of this decision, as well as the possible potential of earning any money through competition and shows this coming season. (Obviously, Charlie has lost the same things financially, but it was his decision, so he chose the consequences as well.)

I would not automatically decide that I was so good that there was inevitably someone better out there for me, and would at least give it more time and hard work before jumping ship on a long-term partnership that has already been more successful than most athletes will achieve in their lifetime.

Just my opinion; obviously YMMV.
 
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dramagrrl said:
I did (and my French is quite good). I'm still mad. :mad:


In terms of putting a lot of time and money into it, Julianne basically just lost the money of a summer's worth of training and choreography costs because of this decision, as well as the possible potential of earning any money through competition and shows this coming season. (Obviously, Charlie has lost the same things financially, but it was his decision, so he chose the consequences as well.)

I would not automatically decide that I was so good that there was inevitably someone better out there for me, and would at least give it more time and hard work before jumping ship on a long-term partnership that has already been more successful than most athletes will achieve in their lifetime.

Just my opinion; obviously YMMV.
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I agree that the timing could have been better considering money and time was already spent preparing for the new season. However, you're not living his life and this is not your career nor are you living in that partnership at the moment so you can't really fathom what he's feeling. Maybe the reason why he waited until now to make make this decision was because he was already trying desperately hard to make it work and realized it just won't.
 
VIETgrlTerifa said:
I agree that the timing could have been better considering money and time was already spent preparing for the new season. However, you're not living his life and this is not your career nor are you living in that partnership at the moment so you can't really fathom what he's feeling. Maybe the reason why he waited until now to make make this decision was because he was already trying desperately hard to make it work and realized it just won't.
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And they had made training changes like working with Meagan. He even referenced that. So I could see wanting to try it, then still feeling like it wasn't enough.
 
VIETgrlTerifa said:
I agree that the timing could have been better considering money and time was already spent preparing for the new season. However, you're not living his life and this is not your career nor are you living in that partnership at the moment so you can't really fathom what he's feeling.
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Yes, I understand that. However, I was just replying to the previous poster who had asked what I personally would do if I were in a similar situation.
 
dramagrrl said:
Yes, I understand that. However, I was just replying to the previous poster who had asked what I personally would do if I were in a similar situation.
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Yeah, but I don't think you considered everything that poster put forth about the situation for you to consider especially the part where they asked what would you do if you knew it just didn't work anymore. Why prolong something that you know just wasn't working anymore? Put yourself in that situation not one where the fact that it is a long-term partnership may mean it can be improved or get better.
 
VIETgrlTerifa said:
Yeah, but I don't think you considered everything that poster put forth about the situation for you to consider especially the part where they asked what would you do if you knew it just didn't work anymore. Why prolong something that you know just wasn't working anymore? Put yourself in that situation not one where the fact that it is a long-term partnership may mean it can be improved or get better.
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But how does one ever "know" something like that for sure? It's always some evidence plus a gut feeling; it's never actually a fact that just because things seem stalled now, they are never going to work. I'm not a skater, but I speak from significant life experience with similar situations in which a younger me would have stated with great certainty that something was absolutely not going to get better, but present me has the hindsight to say that the situation did improve with a lot of patience and dedication, and actually surpassed the potential I would have thought could be reached in the past.
 
I just don't feel comfortable judging unhappy partners and criticizing them for not staying in a partnership if they feel it's no longer working and that they felt they tried to make work when I'm not in that situation nor do I know anything about that situation. It's like outsiders telling married partners they shouldn't get divorced or shaming them to stay in a unhappy marriage without really knowing the situation. Like you said, they are in a longtime partnership so I doubt Charlie made this decision lightly.
 
VIETgrlTerifa said:
I just don't feel comfortable judging unhappy partners and criticizing them for not staying in a partnership if they feel it's no longer working and that they felt they tried to make work when I'm not in that situation nor do I know anything about that situation. It's like outsiders telling married partners they shouldn't get divorced or shaming them to stay in a unhappy marriage without really knowing the situation. Like you said, they are in a longtime partnership so I doubt Charlie made this decision lightly.
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I don't think that's necessarily the right analogy. To me, it seems more like a marriage that appeared to be going on as normal with a few bumps in the road that seemed to be navigable - or at least one spouse seemed to believe that the problems were navigable and was not told otherwise - and then the other spouse unilaterally files divorce papers without giving any advance warning or reasons. In the Radio Canada article (posted earlier in the thread), Julianne essentially said she was very surprised by the decision and is still reeling and trying to figure it all out. (She said it is still not clear to her what caused the split, and that she was still trying to understand what happened and how it happened.)

Again, this is my opinion and you are free to disagree. I am sure Charlie didn't make the decision lightly, but from the information provided, I also don't see it as a "I tried everything and things just weren't working" choice.
 
dramagrrl said:
I don't think that's necessarily the right analogy. To me, it seems more like a marriage that appeared to be going on as normal with a few bumps in the road that seemed to be navigable - or at least one spouse seemed to believe that the problems were navigable and was not told otherwise - and then the other spouse unilaterally files divorce papers without giving any advance warning or reasons. In the Radio Canada article (posted earlier in the thread), Julianne essentially said she was very surprised by the decision and is still reeling and trying to figure it all out. (She said it is still not clear to her what caused the split, and that she was still trying to understand what happened and how it happened.)

Again, this is my opinion and you are free to disagree. I am sure Charlie didn't make the decision lightly, but from the information provided, I also don't see it as a "I tried everything and things just weren't working" choice.
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But that is exactly what he said. And he is aware that this is a huge risk, that he might not find another partner and this could be the end of his skating career. He also talk about the fact that they could not lift each other up anymore when one was down, something they were always able to do in the past.
 
Many years back at Nebelhorn it was a pleasure to watch them, even at practice. So much joy and harmony in their skating back then.
As said before, they lost me somehow over the years, but they had the spark, it just shouldn't have been.
 
VIETgrlTerifa said:
I just don't feel comfortable judging unhappy partners and criticizing them for not staying in a partnership if they feel it's no longer working and that they felt they tried to make work when I'm not in that situation nor do I know anything about that situation. It's like outsiders telling married partners they shouldn't get divorced or shaming them to stay in a unhappy marriage without really knowing the situation. Like you said, they are in a longtime partnership so I doubt Charlie made this decision lightly.
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You are correct, but....


This is FSU. People on here feel that they "Know" everything without having any facts and that of course if the skaters would just listen to their wisdom the skaters would be World Champions LOL
 
Just rewatched a lot of Dennis Ten and Seguin/Bilodeau videos yesterday...That is my therapy.
I actually believe that Charlie was by far the best skaters of that pair. Beautiful lines, great skating skills, consistent jumper and good technique. His artistic qualities are a bit unexploited. I am really hoping he can find his "ukrainian goddess" to take him to an olympic podium. In his mid-20s, he probably has a sense of urgency to make it happen. Seguin is a very strong pair skater but it was a mismatch from the beginning. I know that Duhamel/Radford were a total mismatch too and that hard work brought them to the top, but they are quite the exception. Duhamel was so driven and motivated; she could have done anything.
 
Well, reading the quotes sheds some light on this for sure. On one hand I can see what Charlie must be thinking. He is 24 years old and will be 28 come 2022. That’s not young any more and he’s likely at a point where he’s wondering why he’d sink this much time and $$$ into something that in its current state is unlikely to ever get him much further than he already has. Sure, the possibility was there that they could have reached the world podium, but that was in no way a given and it sounds like things weren’t going well as of late. So I can perhaps see his perspective of going for broke and looking for someone who he thinks he can achieve his goals with.

On the other hand, I find this decision incredibly risky. For one thing, by making this decision mid way through July, he has a distinct possibility of not competing at all this season. Sectionals are early November and 3 months is not a lot of time to get a new partnership together. I agree if a change is to be made, the start of the 4 year cycle is the time, but this decision in May would have given him more flexibility.

And the second question here: Who is this partner for him that is “better” than Julianne? I’m not seeing some great girl sitting on the sidelines. This is not 1998 and a Jamie Sale is just waiting around. And further to this, I don’t particularly see the reason why S/B were a mid of the pack team as being Julianne holding him back. IMO they were very evenly matched in their talents and abilities.

But we only know so much and if it just wasn’t working anymore then I’m not going to judge him for making this difficult decision. I hope they can both find new partners and have success.
 
honey said:
And the second question here: Who is this partner for him that is “better” than Julianne? I’m not seeing some great girl sitting on the sidelines. This is not 1998 and a Jamie Sale is just waiting around.
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That's my question too.

My only guess is he will look outside of Canada but then he gets into Citizenship issues and the clock is ticking for that as it's not a quick process.
 
Rafter said:
Reading between the lines, I’d say he’s hinting she wasn’t working hard enough. Or at least that’s what it sounds like to me.
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She seemed to be working off ice pretty hard with Meaghan Duhamel....@DFO have you heard anything about tryouts with him?
 
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