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Well the "guy without a quad" has been no lower than 7th at worlds, usually Medals on the GP series, and his unique style of entertainment on the ice has won him many fans. Other skaters that can fully rotate quads would kill for Jason Brown's competitivite record, even if he hasn't, or doesn't make the big podiums he really has made a lot of his career keeping in mind his jump limitations and that he's been injured for a good part of this Olympic cycle. I think his goal is probably to make the Olympic team and whatever else he accomplishes is just icing on the cake. He was only about a point behind Shoma in PCS at Lombardia, I think top 5 at a post Olympic worlds (if he's on the team) is very doable. Just because he might not be an Olympic or world medalist doesn't mean he has nothing to gain from continuing to skate. I'm sure he would be in higher demand for the post Olympic ice shows than other skaters just based on how much he gives to the audience and I would bet the farm on him having a pretty good (for these days) profesional career. All success isn't defined by a medal. He brings a spark to the ice that very few others do, I'm sure he would be doing 5 quads in a long program if his body allowed him to, but not all skaters have a body that can withstand, or even try that much. In short his goal is probably to keep fans entertained and to improve season by season. Which to be honest he continues to do.
 
Tinami Amori said:
Thanks! i see... he IS planning to add a quad to each programme.. that's makes more sense.
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He has said in interviews that he hopes to have two quads in each program later in the season. Obviously that means landing one cleanly first. Given the way his program looked today, I think he intended to go for at least one quad but pulled it at the last minute.
 
DimaToe said:
Just because he might not be an Olympic or world medalist doesn't mean he has nothing to gain from continuing to skate. I'm sure he would be in higher demand for the post Olympic ice shows than other skaters just based on how much he gives to the audience and I would bet the farm on him having a pretty good (for these days) profesional career.
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Well, part of the point I was making above is that there really isn't much pro work out there to make a "career" out of. I guess there will probably be a post-Olympic SOI tour in the spring and shows in Japan and Europe, but it's not continuous or full-time work any more, and I don't imagine skaters can make much of a living doing that. Meanwhile they still have to commit to training and staying in shape year-round in order to pick up whatever odds and ends of work come their way. It's not sustainable, and I think even a freshly-minted US OGM would not revitalize the pro circuit in this country. They'd probably just go on Dancing With The Stars instead of headlining any skating shows or tours.
 
Willin said:
@el henry @Pretty Vegas Inspiring Skaters is an account that regrams skating videos. In this case, the video was regrammed from Adam's official instagram. On his official account, there is no new 4Lz video - in fact, he hasn't posted any new skating video since July (only pictures). So I would assume this video is from a couple of years ago and that account just happened to regram it today.
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He posts a lot of Instagram stories, which are videos. They expire after 24 hours.

But as of yesterday, his hair is its natural color - so the video isn't recent. He did post a IG story of a fabulous 3axel-3toe not that long ago.
 
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Tinami Amori said:
Thanks! i see... he IS planning to add a quad to each programme.. that's makes more sense.
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He actually attempted one in the short at Lombardia. So obviously they're easing him into it, getting the choreo for the FS down before adding the quads.

I still reckon he should shoot for a quad flip. That opening 3F in the FS last night was enormous.
 
Tinami Amori said:
Not a trick question... What is Jason Brown hopping for this season, including at the Olympics if he makes it, when his declared tech content is 72 and most Japanese men, and Javier, and Chen are around 110? (other than "I just want to skate my best and have fun")... Jason's PC scores are around 90, but same is for the rest top men...
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Bronze medal is the Team event?
 
Tinami Amori said:
Not a trick question... What is Jason Brown hopping for this season, including at the Olympics if he makes it, when his declared tech content is 72 and most Japanese men, and Javier, and Chen are around 110? (other than "I just want to skate my best and have fun")... Jason's PC scores are around 90, but same is for the rest top men...
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Goal for Jason? Team bronze? That was mentioned, but, not a trick answer, if Jason makes the team, good chance that he is not selected to participate/compete for team bronze. ;)
 
Tavi said:
He has said in interviews that he hopes to have two quads in each program later in the season.
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It's great that he's aiming for that, but as we've seen time and again with so many skaters, being able to land a quad and being able to compete with a quad are two very different things. Competing with a quad takes competition practice, and realistically, one season probably does not afford enough competition practice time, especially if he has already opened the season without a quad.
 
BittyBug said:
It's great that he's aiming for that, but as we've seen time and again with so many skaters, being able to land a quad and being able to compete with a quad are two very different things. Competing with a quad takes competition practice, and realistically, one season probably does not afford enough competition practice time, especially if he has already opened the season without a quad.
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To be honest, I was just posting information in response to a question. But to your point, anyone who thinks Jason isn't aware of the position he's in without a stable quad in competition, or that he's clueless about what he has to do to get there, need only listen to his interviews with Jackie Wong (March) and Ted Flett (July). He's incredibly realistic and takes nothing for granted. That's one of the reasons why I - and other "passionate" Jason fans - get tired of the snark directed at him (to be clear, I'm not saying your post was snarky).
 
Oddly, The 3A looks like it is one of Jason's strongest jumps. I hope he can make that leap to the quad: 1/2 rotation more is a gaping chasm, though.
 
olympic said:
Oddly, The 3A looks like it is one of Jason's strongest jumps. I hope he can make that leap to the quad: 1/2 rotation more is a gaping chasm, though.
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Yup. See Weir, Johnny.

Honestly I hate the artificial pressure that the Olympics places on athletes. It's a once every four years event, with a lot of skating and competitions in between. If it all comes together for Brown this season, great. If not, he has already compiled an impressive resume.
 
kwanfan1818 said:
He had to give up the 4T because his picking foot was the injured one. He doesn't have that problem with the 4Lz. It's not his Plan A, but it's not an act of desperation.
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I don't mean to call him desperate, but going back to a jump for which you have a zero success rate is not exactly a move made in confidence.

I wish Adam luck and I want to be wrong, because I think in this era, any success by any American skater in any way is exciting and much needed.

BTW, wasn't Adam also practicing the 4S or am I confusing him w/ Jason?
 
olympic said:
I don't mean to call him desperate, but going back to a jump for which you have a zero success rate is not exactly a move made in confidence.

I wish Adam luck and I want to be wrong, because I think in this era, any success by any American skater in any way is exciting and much needed.

BTW, wasn't Adam also practicing the 4S or am I confusing him w/ Jason?
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Jason = yes. See two-footed but stood up attempt at Glacier Falls.

Adam = no idea
 
VIETgrlTerifa said:
Sounds like it to me too because it's like the worst rendition of that song I have ever heard.
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Yeah, that was pretty much my thought. I was like "why does the sound of this song literally hurt my vocal chords? Is this Hugh Jackman?" I wish he'd switch to the Original London Cast or... almost anything else. This is a good program for Max (although I definitely think the One Day More section suits him best) and the bad vocals are unfortunate.
 
Tavi said:
He has said in interviews that he hopes to have two quads in each program later in the season. Obviously that means landing one cleanly first. Given the way his program looked today, I think he intended to go for at least one quad but pulled it at the last minute.
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That opening 3F was so high. Maybe he should try 4F.
 
This will be an unusual Olymipics on the heels of a quad revolution. Now that it's been proven they can all be done, the judges will have to really look at distinguishing skaters with GOE. The 5 point range could make a big difference. Plus losing a jumping pass. If PCS could be revitalized - giving jumpers the 6-7's they deserve and leaving the 9's to the Gods - it could make next year a different type of competition. Jason should definately stay in.
 
I've said it before but this cycle's quadsplosion has pushed some wonderful skaters deep into the background. Skaters like Brown are beautiful to watch, but it's a shame how quickly they have become endangered of being irrelevant. Very sad, but that's sport I guess.

I am a Chen fan but wasn't convinced last year a podium would happen for him in Helsinki. I'm in a different place this year. He has Olympic champion written all over him, and his programs are the best out there in the international men's field that I have seen so far. The only question for him will be if he can stay healthy and develop his programs -- jump and non jump content -- to where they need to be in time. I'm optimistic.

Skating is just too hard to handicap. There are so few certainties although there seem to be some. In the men's field I keep shuffling the deck over and over in my mind and can't realistically come up with an Olympic podium with someone other than Nathan, Yuzu and Shoma on it. I just can't see it....but I'm good with it.
 
Rock2 said:
I've said it before but this cycle's quadsplosion has pushed some wonderful skaters deep into the background. Skaters like Brown are beautiful to watch, but it's a shame how quickly they have become endangered of being irrelevant. Very sad, but that's sport I guess.
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It's possible that the ISU is tossing out potential scoring changes that will devalue quads so that they will be shot down, but if they're implemented, I'd expect a few years of GOE inflation on them and for skating like Brown's and Vassiljevs to come to the fore again. Whether or not that will be too late for Brown is up in the air. For Vassiljevs, who's younger and has little internal competition, it may be a godsend.
 
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