What are Jason's chances this season?

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Wow ... That's a lot of emoticons!
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Indeed! Emoticon overkill! I cleaned it up :sheep: ... but I love me some emoticons! :p :D

ETA: Since this is a thread about Jason, I feel obliged to get it back on track by saying that Jason can easily make-up any TES deficiencies (that word is not meant to be a shot) with his front-running PCS.

Jason's chances to make the Olympic team are right up there with the rest.
 
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I'll just simply say that I think Jason's chances are really good. I'll be watching on my 47 inch Vizio while sitting in my wheelchair using the seatbelt so I won't jump out of it when it's time for him to compete! Oh yes!! Go Jason! Bring the house down!! Remember ... Whatever chills the ice and melts the butter!! :cheer2::rockstar::respec:
 
Ahhh, you know I love those emoticons too don't you now @Weve. :rofl:

For all those posters who burst a blood vessel over another poster (me in particular) passionately pointing out a situation that you may have referenced, but are not personally responsible for creating, cool down please. :p Is your air conditioner broken @Weve? :summer:

I'm not saying you dislike or disrespect Evan Lysacek, Weve. My goodness, I was never a big fan of Ev's in the first place. I am just purely tired of the fact that apparently Evan will unfairly forever be saddled in this sport's history with somehow being 'lacking' for not having performed a quad while winning Olympic gold in 2010. But I guess that's the problem with our larger culture too. Everything is boiled down into soundbites and full context and levels of meaning and complexity go missing. It just becomes so easy to tag Evan unfairly as having been completely quadless (you used his name as some kind of erroneous adjective, albeit without intending slanderous harm). I was simply pointing out as I find myself doing quite often, that Evan did perform quads successfully, and that he skated during a time when quads were not the be-all, end-all in the men's discipline. The ISU shoulders the responsibility for that quad-dang kerfuffle in 2010, not Evan Lysacek. :duh: indeed! ;)

I do honestly believe that had it been indicated beforehand that no one would cop :COP: men's gold at 2010 Olympics without a quad, Evan would have landed at least one quad. And I guess that would have left Plush bellyaching about Ev's lack of multiple 'macho' quads. :drama:

More unfortunately, the disrespect that ended up being piled on Evan also began to siphon down to infect the way all U.S. men were viewed (even despite the fact that plenty were working on quads and some successfully landing them in subsequent years). It's U.S. fed then who also deserve blame in not seeing the writing on the wall sooner, and for making some poor decisions going forward. They can also be blamed for over-favoriting Evan, and taking for granted the riches of so many talented U.S. men competing at the top internationally which was about to take a turn for the worse post-2010, and not for the lack of talent either, nor for the lack of ability U.S. men had to train and master quads either.

In retrospect, it's easy to forget that Jeremy Abbott won U.S. Nationals in 2010 with a flawless quad-triple combo and also a 3/3/2 combination. :eek: Abbott should have been encouraged and supported after his hiccough in the sp at the 2010 Olympics, not taken for granted, shunned, and dismissed. Momentum and staking of a claim at the top was lost at 2011 Worlds for U.S. men politically and perception-wise. The rest is quad-dang history.

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And simply because I point out Plushenko's uncharacteristic moments of macho pique seen around the world, does not mean I don't respect him and his many admirable contributions to the sport of figure skating. He will always be a great competitor with a strong will. No one is perfect. :)
 
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My answer would be that Jason has an excellent chance of making the Olympic team. He cannot control his own destiny as far as Nathan & Vincent are concerned. (They control their destiny). But I would say Jason is a favorite to make the team.

And we will be extremely fortunate if this entire field shows up healthy for Nationals. Of the 6 major names being tossed around the most, only Max has not missed a Nationals and/or Worlds due to injury over the past few years & he was injured last summer. So let's hope they are all healthy and able to compete at their best this season. If they can do that, the results will be the right ones, even if it's impossible for all of us to be happy.
 
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aftershocks said:
Is your air conditioner broken @Weve? :summer:
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Actually, my air conditioner is on full blast! :cold: Ah, sh!t, now I've done it! :p I'm gonna hear about this from the down w/ ACers... :lynch:, :soapbox:, :mitchell:. Sorry, ladies and gents, but it is hotter than :EVILLE: today!

Anyway, back to Evan who should just enjoy being the Olympic Champion that he is! No asterisk.

As far as Jason is concerned -- stay tuned!
 
:lol: Is it that hot where you're at @Weve? Where do you live, Chicago suburb? Right about now, what with stealthy climate change effects, the weather is very unpredictable. Cleveland is nowhere near as hot and humid as is normal this time of the year. I'm not complaining, but future generations will surely be the ones to pay... I mean we just have to push forward, and appreciate every good thing there is to enjoy these days. :saint:

Ego squabbling aside, I give thanks for the joys of figure skating. The frustrations can just go take a flying leap. :D

Speaking of Chicago, you gotta be 100% behind your guy Jason! And ain't Cubbies fans walking a little taller and prouder these days (unfortunately at the Cleveland Indians expense)?

It must be fairly hot here, but the air conditioning is great where I live. Outdoors in recent days, we've had nice breezy effects from the lake. It's just not as humid as Cleveland is known to be.

And btw, JB fans, are you following his Youtube channel? :cheer2:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcFGbqhlKybnv0ZzmxJFlDQ

Frankly, Jason don't seem to be sweatin' the future:
https://twitter.com/jasonbskates/status/881188386555539456
Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil! :lol:

Jason is enjoying every minute of the process:
http://www.gettyimages.com/photos/jason-brown-team-usa-pyeongchang-2018-winter-olympics-portraits?excludenudity=true&family=editorial&phrase=Jason Brown Team USA PyeongChang 2018 Winter Olympics Portraits&sort=best#license
https://twitter.com/TeamUSA/status/858038216137596931/photo/1

Behind-the-scenes video of Jason's Olympic season photo shoot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFAHC5FBZcM scroll to the footage
 
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Does anyone know what his career goals are? I was going to comment on his lack of having a chance but, I don't know what he wants to have a chance at. I will say that I am curious as to why he never learned consistent quad jumps. On one hand, Ade added Vincent to her team to assist with technique but on the other hand, when you look at how Yuzuru dumbed down his artistic content to focus on doing 3 different Quads this season and how Jason's Rohene programs havent scaled back, i'm wondering if he even wanted to or believed he should do the quads.

This is where as a fan i'd like clarity on what his goals are or were. I do feel like he shied away from the quad jumps while at a top level for too long and struggled with losing ground to ultimately gain ground in the end. I don't know though.
 
I thoroughly disagree. Kori deliberately took a long-tail approach to the harder jumps in order to preserve Jason's body. And until the last two seasons, it absolutely worked - Jason had not had a major injury until that back strain, while his contemporary Joshua was on the injured list more often than off it (though granted, some of those were freak injuries).

The problem was that I don't think Kori expected - I don't think anyone expected - the technical level to suddenly leap ahead and speed away. Suddenly, the long-tail approach wasn't going to cut it anymore, because even a one quad Jason would still be left behind. And then he got injured. It was just unlucky timing.

I'd still like to see Jason go for a quad flip. His flip is a gorgeous jump with great height, distance and flow. I really think he could do that one and make it look really, really nice.
 
arakwafan2006 said:
I will say that I am curious as to why he never learned consistent quad jumps. On one hand, Ade added Vincent to her team to assist with technique
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Vincent Restencourt worked in Monument, CO for about one year (left in the spring of 2016).

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Jason mentioned in his latest YouTube update that he recently spent 2 weeks in LA with Frank Carroll.

Kori Ade said on IN's "Ice Talk" podcast after Worlds & before World Team Trophy that Jason's new short has been choreographed with 2 quads (toe & sal) and that she's hoping they will be ready in the early season (~52-minute mark):
http://dds.mlb.com/icenetwork/2017/ep28/icetalkep28.mp3
 
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Sylvia said:
Vincent Restencourt worked in Monument, CO for about one year (left in the spring of 2016).

ETA:

Jason mentioned in his latest YouTube update that he recently spent 2 weeks in LA with Frank Carroll.

Kori Ade said on IN's "Ice Talk" podcast after Worlds & before World Team Trophy that Jason's new short has been choreographed with 2 quads (toe & sal) and that she's hoping they will be ready in the early season (~52-minute mark):
http://dds.mlb.com/icenetwork/2017/ep28/icetalkep28.mp3
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It seems super ambitious, considering he hasn't really landed a solo 4T, but here's hoping and who knows, he may find a 4S simpler.
 
olympic said:
It seems super ambitious, considering he hasn't really landed a solo 4T, but here's hoping and who knows, he may find a 4S simpler.
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^^ Then @olympic, Jason can't win with fans, can he? :wall: He's decried for not yet having 'fully mastered' a quad, then also debunked as being 'super-ambitious' for planning to attempt two different quads for the Olympics season. :drama: Unfortunately, some fans have the same low quad expectations of Jason, as apparently did the 'bad angle' judges at 2016 Skate America! Jason did successfully land a 4T at 2016 SA, regardless of nitpicking judges' mistaken assessment. It's also completely unfair to not fully reward a skater of Jason's caliber on PCS, unless and until he masters quads more consistently. That's the real IJS/COP crime. :judge:

Also, @Weve, you edited out your earlier reference to me in your post #29, to which I was responding in my post #33. I guess it pays to always use the quote feature when responding to another poster. :p But no matter in this instance, since you were just jibing in fun anyway, as was I in my response. :D ;) Ah, and I see you apparently edited out your reference to 'pulling an Evan-Lysacek' (Evan as erroneous adjective :drama:). But that's a good edit, and I'd already quoted your initial reference anyway.


arakwafan2006 said:
I will say that I am curious as to why ]Jason] never learned consistent quad jumps.
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I will repeat myself, which apparently has to happen in regard to this topic! :duh: Below is my prior response to another poster's SAME Jason query:

:lol: Try springing high enough into the air to rotate 4 times in the blink of an eye and land cleanly on slippery ice and then maybe you can answer your own question.

It's certainly not for want of trying diligently that Jason has not yet fully and consistently mastered quads [although he has successfully landed quads in practice, and one cleanly in competition that the judges nigglingly failed to ratify :rolleyes:]. Body structure and ability to gain enough height and rotate fast are obviously huge factors. Jason has been working hard to overcome the odds against him, so I wouldn't completely count him out. Confidence is also a factor, which can be impacted by judges' refusal to credit a skater for a fully rotated and cleanly landed quad, for whatever excuse regarding camera angles, negative expectations, and nitpicking.
 
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^^ Hey, thanks for your eyewitness account! :cheer2:

BTW, whats 'the cave'? Is it easier to land quads in hibernation? ;)

Oh well, I have to point out again that Jason did land a successful quad quite easily at 2016 Skate America in a gorgeous fp that had the rink gate attendant sobbing with tears of genuine emotion, as Jason came off the ice. Jason was chill and effervescently gracious, as always. This, even after the judges lowballed and dismissed his quad achievement. Actually, if properly ratified, that could have been the proverbial 'monkey off' Jason's back last season.

Mucho macho good luck to Jason, as he puts his heart and soul into this upcoming Olympic season. :saint:
 
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^^ Ah, and I figured as much. Obviously, I was teasing re 'hibernation.' ;)

But, if summer 'hibernating' & pulling out all the stops is what it's gonna take to land successful winter quads, then ... :kickass:
 
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aftershocks said:
^^ Then @olympic, Jason can't win with fans, can he? :wall: He's decried for not yet having 'fully mastered' a quad, then also debunked as being 'super-ambitious' for planning to attempt two different quads for the Olympics season. :drama: Unfortunately, some fans have the same low quad expectations of Jason, as apparently did the 'bad angle' judges at 2016 Skate America! Jason did successfully land a 4T at 2016 SA, regardless of nitpicking judges' mistaken assessment. It's also completely unfair to not fully reward a skater of Jason's caliber on PCS, unless and until he masters quads more consistently. That's the real IJS/COP crime. :judge:

Also, @Weve, you edited out your earlier reference to me in your post #29, to which I was responding in my post #33. I guess it pays to always use the quote feature when responding to another poster. :p But no matter in this instance, since you were just jibing in fun anyway, as was I in my response. :D ;) Ah, and I see you apparently edited out your reference to 'pulling an Evan-Lysacek' (Evan as erroneous adjective :drama:). But that's a good edit, and I'd already quoted your initial reference anyway.




I will repeat myself, which apparently has to happen in regard to this topic! :duh: Below is my prior response to another poster's SAME Jason query:

:lol: Try springing high enough into the air to rotate 4 times in the blink of an eye and land cleanly on slippery ice and then maybe you can answer your own question.

It's certainly not for want of trying diligently that Jason has not yet fully and consistently mastered quads [although he has successfully landed quads in practice, and one cleanly in competition that the judges nigglingly failed to ratify :rolleyes:]. Body structure and ability to gain enough height and rotate fast are obviously huge factors. Jason has been working hard to overcome the odds against him, so I wouldn't completely count him out. Confidence is also a factor, which can be impacted by judges' refusal to credit a skater for a fully rotated and cleanly landed quad, for whatever excuse regarding camera angles, negative expectations, and nitpicking.
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You know this shit is a sport, right? Enough with the excuses. He's capable... That's why fans judge him.
 
Sylvia said:
The link to a photo essay about "The Cave" practice rink in Helsinki, including a relevant Jason excerpt, was posted in his fan thread: https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/th...-roll-uber-thread-2.98882/page-5#post-5070292

ETA: @olympic, Kori Ade said in her podcast that (paraphrasing) she likes Jason's 4S better but that he likes the feel of the 4T more.
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Hope springs eternal. I'd like to see all the men realize their ambitions at Nationals next January. Considering US depth, that would be one helluva competition.
 
arakwafan2006 said:
You know this shit is a sport, right? Enough with the excuses. He's capable... That's why fans judge him.
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:drama: :blah: Nope, I don't know that 'shit' is a sport. Figure skating is a sport, but bs from and between fans is just ego indulgence. Sit back and judge Jason all you want, which you and others will do regardless. I don't make any excuses for any skater, nor do any of them need anyone to do that. I merely pointed out the obvious to you and another poster who are apparently needlessly kerflumped and confused. Meanwhile, Jason doesn't owe you or anybody anything. He's living his life, doing his thing, having a blast, enjoying every moment, and learning from the ups and the downs. He is one of the strongest competitors USFS has ever had, and he's one of the most generous, enthusiastic, spirited and caring athletes who's ever graced the sport of figure skating.

Jason will do his best and then some to master quads sufficiently, but it's not about that end goal, it's about the process; it's about the journey. In the end, that's what matters, and that's what makes the difference. Those fans who don't understand that can continue questioning, doubting, pontificating and carrying on about all the 'shit' they please.
 
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I seem to recall reading somewhere that Kori doesn't push Jason too hard on the quads. Or she didn't at that time. Something to that effect? Does anyone else recall that? Letting him decide his own pace etc...

I believe it is fairly common knowledge that Jason can in fact land a beautiful 4T but just could not get a clean landing into the programs last season. If his quads are anything like his 3A, once he gets them, they will be beautifully executed. Just my prediction. Jason also always seems extremely pleased and surprised with his marks. Pure speculation on my part but - this would indicate to me that he KNOWS he needs a quad or two if he wants the podium finishes but in the meantime he is very happy to be rewarded for what he does on the ice. Such an incredible talent.

If he can get a quad or two; and he has to, not because I want him to, but because the men's discipline now demands it, the sky is the limit for a skater of his calibre.
 
arakwafan2006 said:
Does anyone know what his career goals are? I was going to comment on his lack of having a chance but, I don't know what he wants to have a chance at. I will say that I am curious as to why he never learned consistent quad jumps. On one hand, Ade added Vincent to her team to assist with technique but on the other hand, when you look at how Yuzuru dumbed down his artistic content to focus on doing 3 different Quads this season and how Jason's Rohene programs havent scaled back, i'm wondering if he even wanted to or believed he should do the quads.

This is where as a fan i'd like clarity on what his goals are or were. I do feel like he shied away from the quad jumps while at a top level for too long and struggled with losing ground to ultimately gain ground in the end. I don't know though.
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It sounds as if you think it's too late for Jason and quads? I don't think he would agree. In his Ice Network/ Ice Talk interview he said he wants to show that he can be a medal contender and that he's eager to incorporate both 4T and 4S in his programs. He lands them regularly in practice. Elsewhere he's mentioned wanting to tackle a 4F.

He's been hampered by losing half of the last two seasons to injury, but he strikes me as an amazingly positive and determined person.
 
kittysk8ts said:
I seem to recall reading somewhere that Kori doesn't push Jason too hard on the quads. Or she didn't at that time. Something to that effect? Does anyone else recall that? Letting him decide his own pace etc...

I believe it is fairly common knowledge that Jason can in fact land a beautiful 4T but just could not get a clean landing into the programs last season. If his quads are anything like his 3A, once he gets them, they will be beautifully executed. Just my prediction. Jason also always seems extremely pleased and surprised with his marks. Pure speculation on my part but - this would indicate to me that he KNOWS he needs a quad or two if he wants the podium finishes but in the meantime he is very happy to be rewarded for what he does on the ice. Such an incredible talent.

If he can get a quad or two; and he has to, not because I want him to, but because the men's discipline now demands it, the sky is the limit for a skater of his calibre.
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I feel like this is the key. Once he "gets" it, he will really get it. His 3As these past couple of seasons have been looking fabulous (apart from when he was injured).
 
I think his chances of making the Olympic team are very good. His competition is Nathan (of course), Adam, and could be Joshua. Nathan's spot is secure. If Jason gets even one consistent quad in each of his programs, it will significantly improve his chances.
 
Jason will do whatever he does, as always, with great competitive spirit, enthusiasm and grace. I for one will enjoy every second of watching him. He's real through and through. Anyone who has had the distinct luck, honor and pleasure of meeting Jason in person, will realize what a great human being he is, as well as a superb and extremely gifted artist/athlete. Jason is also the perfect muse to genius choreographer and magical skater, Rohene Ward.

What will be, will be. Some fans will never be satisfied, no matter what. I give thanks for some very profound figure skating blessings, in the knowledge that more than enough will never be enough, regardless of however many quads are landed by however many skaters! :duh: Quads are pesky mistresses dressed up as the flashy, false icons of figure skating.

Putting quads in their proper context, is some helluva mountain-to-climb shizz, indeed! :COP: :rolleyes:
 
Well, I have confidence in Jason. He's already got his technical and artistic skills together. Now if he can do those quads in competition, then he'll have it all together. I've seen many skaters (male and female) attempt those quads and triple axels in in competition and several times, it didn't go so well. And yet, during practices they can do those quads and triple axels. I've come to the conclusion that it's not so easy sometimes when you're out there in front of an audience, and also at the same time, millions of people from around the world are either watching on TV or live streaming.

That's when the real test comes. Now Jason has had injuries in the past which has delayed his practices with quads, but he's getting around to it now. And from what I've seen, I think he may just get out there and succeed with those quads. In the mean time, I want to share a poem I wrote in the 80's that reminds me of Jason and anyone that didn't quite make it in competition with those quads and triple axels. The poem especially reminds me of Jason because he doesn't give up so easily.

Jason, this is for you. I wrote the poem on May 12th, 1982, and it's still good advice for anyone today and even in the future.

The Drain and the Gutter

If one's challenge
In life
Is washed down the drain ...

Find a plunger,
Locate the challenge,
Attain it,
And plug up the sink.

It's better to try again
Than falling down the drain
Into the gutter.
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Now, more than ever, I go by those very words today. I've found if I can't do something, I figure out another way to do it. When you're disabled like I am, one way or another, you will find another way to do something. I still go by what my mom told me when I was a teenager; Never believe in the word, Impossible.

So, get out there Jason, and just do your best. That's all anyone can do, and as long as you have determination, that dream won't go away. <3
 
kittysk8ts said:
I seem to recall reading somewhere that Kori doesn't push Jason too hard on the quads. Or she didn't at that time. Something to that effect? Does anyone else recall that? Letting him decide his own pace etc...

I believe it is fairly common knowledge that Jason can in fact land a beautiful 4T but just could not get a clean landing into the programs last season. If his quads are anything like his 3A, once he gets them, they will be beautifully executed. Just my prediction. Jason also always seems extremely pleased and surprised with his marks. Pure speculation on my part but - this would indicate to me that he KNOWS he needs a quad or two if he wants the podium finishes but in the meantime he is very happy to be rewarded for what he does on the ice. Such an incredible talent.

If he can get a quad or two; and he has to, not because I want him to, but because the men's discipline now demands it, the sky is the limit for a skater of his calibre.
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IIRC, in that particular interview, Kori was saying that she was looking for the "sweet spot" where Jason became comfortable with doing and practicing quads, so she was looking to increase his confidence. And that was a few years ago

I think (and I am jumping off from this post and not directed to you, @kittysk8ts) what frustrates me is that some folks don't know, because they don't follow Jason as closely, or just refuse to acknowledge, that Jason is one of the hardest working skaters out there. Frank Carroll has said Jason basically opened the rink and shut down the rink at practice. Kori has said her biggest issue with Jason now is getting him to slow down, listen to his body, and not injure himself with his intense perfectionism. If Jason doesn't have a quad, it's not from lack of practice, it's not from lack of trying, and it sure as heck ain't because folks posting on a FS Board know so much more about how the sport is scored than Jason.

Now, Jason, will you pleeeassse just announce "Hamilton":p
 
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