Interview with Nina Mozer

[aftershocks]

Might the secret be that one team will be skating to selections from Lost in Translation? And another team to Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon? ...

Speaking of which: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0dJqlvOSq4&list=PLDC7B8633AADCA86E LIT soundtrack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y63wCI3iAKQ CTHD soundtrack

 

[Alez]

Another expression that comes mind is something I've heard Russian skaters say in interviews on this board: the man is the head, the women is the neck.

That one bothers me too, as the head is where the brain is. The analogy must be that the neck can manipulate the head through its motions, but so what? The head still makes all the decisions and gets all the credit.

The thing about man/woman is head/neck is an old biblical concept common for the whole Europe, it's been around more than 2 thousand years. It have many philosophical and conceptual meaning nowdays. Not necessary about the sexism thing. You reading into it too much, imho.

 

[Japanfan]

The thing about man/woman is head/neck is an old biblical concept common for the whole Europe, it's been around more than 2 thousand years. It have many philosophical and conceptual meaning nowdays. Not necessary about the sexism thing. You reading into it too much, imho.

Well, sexism is older than the bible.

if I'm reading to much into it, what then should I assume it to mean? What are the 'many' philosophical and conceptual meanings of the phrase?

 

[Xela M]

Well, sexism is older than the bible.

if I'm reading to much into it, what then should I assume it to mean? What are the 'many' philosophical and conceptual meanings of the phrase?

Russian women historically have a very different reputation to Western women, so sexism was never in fact such a big issue in Russia because Russian women have always been looked at as work horses and the men were mostly useless/drunk. It's not a coincidence Mozer uses the expression "a Russian woman can stop a galloping horse and enter a burning hut". That's the kind of image Russian women had/have, so to now try to read Western sexism into this is completely misunderstanding Russian culture.

 

[aftershocks]

... Russian women have always been looked at as work horses and the men were mostly useless/drunk...

I'm not questioning your knowledge of Russian culture and Russian history. Yet surely there are many exceptions? At the least, isn't that scenario changing/ changed? Wrapping my head around Tzar Nicholas, Balanchine/ Balanchivadze, A Pushkin, N Khrushchev, Putin, Gorbachev, Baryshnikov, Plushenko, Yagudin, Mishin, Maxim T, Sergei G, Peter T, N Morozov, not to mention Raf A, et al, as "useless drunks." Or, are you referring to a common perception of certain social classes or to a different period in Russian history?

 

[Coquelicot14]

Russian women historically have a very different reputation to Western women, so sexism was never in fact such a big issue in Russia because Russian women have always been looked at as work horses and the men were mostly useless/drunk. It's not a coincidence Mozer uses the expression "a Russian woman can stop a galloping horse and enter a burning hut". That's the kind of image Russian women had/have, so to now try to read Western sexism into this is completely misunderstanding Russian culture.

While I agree with your point on Russian women, and the fact that sexism is not the same issue/problem, I resent your implications about the Russian men. This is another stereotype perpetuated by those that want to undermine the country. I for one have always had great Russian men in my life and I am hardly an exception. Maybe you've had some bad luck?
BTW, the expression about galloping horse and burning hut is by Nekrasov, I wouldn't call him useless either.

 

[Coquelicot14]

I'm not questioning your knowledge of Russian culture and Russian history. Yet surely there are many exceptions? At the least, isn't that scenario changing/ changed? Wrapping my head around Tzar Nicholas, Balanchine/ Balanchivadze, A Pushkin, N Khrushchev, Putin, Gorbachev, Baryshnikov, Plushenko, Yagudin, Mishin, Maxim T, Sergei G, Peter T, N Morozov, not to mention Raf A, et al, as "useless drunks." Or, are you referring to a common perception of certain social classes or to a different period in Russian history?

Agreed with most of your examples except Gorbachev. He was a freaking disaster and totally useless. But that's a topic for another forum. Lol

 

[Japanfan]

Russian women historically have a very different reputation to Western women, so sexism was never in fact such a big issue in Russia because Russian women have always been looked at as work horses and the men were mostly useless/drunk. It's not a coincidence Mozer uses the expression "a Russian woman can stop a galloping horse and enter a burning hut". That's the kind of image Russian women had/have, so to now try to read Western sexism into this is completely misunderstanding Russian culture.

Sexism isn't solely a western phenomenon and manifests in different ways. The men are useless and women are serious/responsible/workhorses is just one manifestation and not an uncommon one. I spent a good deal of time in the Philippines where men were seen as child-like and rather incompetent. In Japan, male office workers commonly go drinking after long days in the office. They stagger around like idiots, pee and throw up on the streets, and are permitted to get away with reprehensible behaviour like groping women on the trains (happened to me, and more than once).

Societies come up with all sorts of slogans to justify women's responsibilities in such situations and make women feel better about themselves. Examples being "the women are ruling from underground" in Japan. This is not only not true, but raises the question of why women can't rule from overground, as men do. The Japanese also like to say the women control the purse-strings of society because they handle the household finances. But the people in government who control the country's economy are mostly male.

The Japanese women also call men "giant garbage" when they retire and say "a husband is best healthy and out of the home".

But no matter how you slice it, someone has to earn the income and someone has to do the damn dishes. Regardless of whether women have to do one or both, it does not = empowerment.

 

[Coquelicot14]

Agreed that it's not purely western, but I am not sure we can wholely compare the situation.
For example:
Russian women obtained suffrage in the USSR in 1917.
In Japan it was 1945.
The US 19th amendment was in 1920.
France it was 1944.
I know voting is not everything, but it's a good indicator.
First woman in space is also Russian... there are many examples...

 

[lala]

Agreed that it's not purely western, but I am not sure we can wholely compare the situation.
For example:
Russian women obtained suffrage in the USSR in 1917.
In Japan it was 1945.
The US 19th amendment was in 1920.
France it was 1944.
I know voting is not everything, but it's a good indicator.
First woman in space is also Russian... there are many examples...

The Russian women fought as the men in the 1917 revolution and in the II.WW.
The "working woman" in the factories -this was a great image in the Soviet Union...But..
I have an example Yana Rudkovskaya- Plushenko's wife - she is not working in many Russian eyes. She is Director of Music Management Company. Dima Bilan's record producer. General producer of the Academy of cinema&show business STARS and http://posta-magazine.ru , agent of Plushenko ( in Russia) and Dima Bilan (one of the most succesful singers in Russia). So she is not the tipical Russian woman. I read comments some Russians sent her like this " you shake yourself here but the fridge is empty "...

 

[lala]

Agreed with most of your examples except Gorbachev. He was a freaking disaster and totally useless. But that's a topic for another forum. Lol

I quietly note .. Yagudin has a little problem with alcohol ..

 

[drfj]

I quietly note .. Yagudin has a little problem with alcohol ..

I dont think so.........

 

[lala]

I dont think so.........

I did mistake, I wanted to write..he HAD a little proplem.. But you believe what you want. I have some informations from Russians and...

 

[Ananas Astra]

I quietly note .. Yagudin has a little problem with alcohol ..

Wasn't there some story about him setting a hotel room on fire while drunk as a skunk?
Or am I mixing things up?

 

[drfj]

I did mistake, I wanted to write..he HAD a little proplem.. But you believe what you want. I have some informations from Russians and...

Present and past is not the same,and you are absolutly right,I believe what I want.................

 

[lala]

Present and past is not the same,and you are absolutly right,I believe what I want.................

of course, I didn't want to destroy your idealized image of Yagudin.

 

[Xela M]

The Russian women fought in the 1917 revolution and in the II.WW as the men.
The "working woman" in the factories -this was a great image in the Soviet Union...But..
I have an example Yana Rudkovskaya- Plushenko's wife - she is not working in many Russian eyes. She is Director of Music Management Company. Dima Bilan's record producer. General producer of the Academy of cinema&show business STARS and http://posta-magazine.ru , agent of Plushenko ( in Russia) and Dima Bilan (one of the most succesful singers in Russia). So she is not the tipical Russian woman. I read comments some Russians sent her like this " you shake yourself here but the fridge is empty "...

Yana Rudkovskaya sure has a profession...

Have you ever seen her first husband? Not only is he a direct descendant of the chimpanzee (in the first or second generation) and has all kinds of other wonderful qualities, he is also obsessed with Napoleon and apparently walks around in a Napoleon costume at home (hat and sword and everything). Anyone who has been married to THAT has to be a professional

 

[Xela M]

Agreed with most of your examples except Gorbachev. He was a freaking disaster and totally useless. But that's a topic for another forum. Lol

At least Gorbachev can live his life with dignity (being a very well-respected person abroad as you know) without having to fear prison, extradition or assassination because he stole all of Russia's budget and transferred it abroad. He is an iconic figure in Germany.

 

[Loves_Shizuka]

Yana Rudkovskaya sure has a profession...

Have you ever seen her first husband? Not only is he a direct descendant of the chimpanzee (in the first or second generation) and has all kinds of other wonderful qualities, he is also obsessed with Napoleon and apparently walks around in a Napoleon costume at home (hat and sword and everything). Anyone who has been married to THAT has to be a professional

... what?!

 

[lala]

Yana Rudkovskaya sure has a profession...

Have you ever seen her first husband? Not only is he a direct descendant of the chimpanzee (in the first or second generation) and has all kinds of other wonderful qualities, he is also obsessed with Napoleon and apparently walks around in a Napoleon costume at home (hat and sword and everything). Anyone who has been married to THAT has to be a professional

oh, XelaM....This is tipically Russian...You forgot about your enlightened thinking
Do you think I don't know their whole story?But did you see Baturin when he did those things what you mentioned? Don't get me wrong I don't like him... I don't care about him, and Yana also doesn't important for me. But that story has nothing to do she is a workaholic, talented, succesful woman. And this is what some Russians can't accept, they would like to see her in the kitchen. The other things are absolute irrelevant.

http://kushanashvili-o.livejournal.com/2543056.html?nojs=1
shortly about them the translate from http://evgeni-plushenko.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=268&start=1420

"Baturin is a rich man who is not so bad.... journalist (writer) had not so nice opinion on Yana, but realized that she was just a dangerous woman who, when someone attacking her's people is "able to kill"... About Plushy all the best - he will always be a reference of athlete with a heart of gold. A remarkable man who won himself and the circumstances and married to a hydrogen bomb (Yana )"

 

[lala]

... what?!

wait a minute.. it will be off topic.. Victor Baturin- https://www.google.hu/search?q=Николай+Батурин&client=firefox-b&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiepKO14ZDNAhXMDpoKHV6CAOQQ_AUIBygB&biw=1366&bih=630#imgrc=u79ln8i_x_rQZM:
and Yana https://www.google.hu/search?q=Николай+Батурин&client=firefox-b&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiepKO14ZDNAhXMDpoKHV6CAOQQ_AUIBygB&biw=1366&bih=630#imgrc=6QMbUujLw8vYUM: - I can show more modest pic, but all love the gossips..
But I think Xela M just exaggerated, because she wanted to be more expressive..

 

[lala]

At least Gorbachev can live his life with dignity (being a very well-respected person abroad as you know) without having to fear prison, extradition or assassination because he stole all of Russia's budget and transferred it abroad. He is an iconic figure in Germany.

I admire Gorbachev so much! I don't know nothing about these things.

 

[Xela M]

... what?!

wait a minute.. it will be off topic.. Victor Baturin- https://www.google.hu/search?q=Николай+Батурин&client=firefox-b&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiepKO14ZDNAhXMDpoKHV6CAOQQ_AUIBygB&biw=1366&bih=630#imgrc=u79ln8i_x_rQZM:
and Yana https://www.google.hu/search?q=Николай+Батурин&client=firefox-b&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiepKO14ZDNAhXMDpoKHV6CAOQQ_AUIBygB&biw=1366&bih=630#imgrc=6QMbUujLw8vYUM: - I can show more modest pic, but all love the gossips..
But I think Xela M just exaggerated, because she wanted to be more expressive..

Baturin was not simply a rich man, he was Lushkov's (the former mayor of Moscow) brother-in-law and please... "not such nice man" about Victor Baturin is like saying Stalin was a meanie. Baturin is a bloody ape and if you ever heard him speak, you'd know that he is repulsive beyond any belief.

By the way, that picture of him is extremely flatterig. This is more like it... http://newspepper.su/news/2012/2/10/the-prosecution-viktor-baturin-compounded-in-560-times/

And yes, he has a Napoleon obsession, has the largest private collection of Napoleon stuff and dresses up like Napoleon in his spare time.

 

[aftershocks]

Well, no one said any of those Russian men I cited are saints. I mentioned Gorbachev from the very little I know of him as a public figure in past years. I don't know his back story or reputation among his fellow Russians. In any case, I mentioned names of Russian men who I have a hard time believing are all simply 'useless drunks,' whether or not any of them formerly struggled or (specifically those who are still alive) currently struggle with alcohol demons.

Indeed we all have our demons, and our strengths. Though we may fall or be knocked down, it is indeed inspiring to see a person get back up again and battle to overcome ...

 

[lala]

Baturin was not simply a rich man, he was Lushkov's (the former mayor of Moscow) brother-in-law and please... "not such nice man" about Victor Baturin is like saying Stalin was a meanie. Baturin is a bloody ape and if you ever heard him speak, you'd know that he is repulsive beyond any belief.

By the way, that picture of him is extremely flatterig. This is more like it... http://newspepper.su/news/2012/2/10/the-prosecution-viktor-baturin-compounded-in-560-times/

And yes, he has a Napoleon obsession, has the largest private collection of Napoleon stuff and dresses up like Napoleon in his spare time.

I know who is he.
That is a new picture.. and probably the worst picture ever made on him. When he and Yana were married(2001-2008, but she moved from him 2007. She and Plushy are together since 2007) he looked a little better.
And as I said, I'm not a fan of Yana. Just be fair to her. Like her or not she is not the typical bad woman, who uses her beauty ....

Her family: Father military pilot, was the director of the Altai Higher Military Air School. Mother - neurologist, PhD.
-Yana graduated from the Altai State Medical University as a specialist in skin and venereal diseases.
- Dima Bilan's producer since 2005, during which time Dima became the most titled Russian artist , winning all possible awards of "Eurovision" (2nd place in 2006 and 1st place in 2008), «MTV EMA» (7 awards), 11 "Muz-TV" awards, 10 «MTV» awards
-Enters the TOP-3 of the most stylish and successful business women of Russian show business;
-The general producer of the Academy of cinema and showbiz «STARS» and the Internet portal of the quality of life www.posta-magazine.ru;
-Enters in the TOP rankings of «TNS Gallup Media» with her business- projects, one of the most successful in the Russian show-business;
- "ZD" Award - "Producer of the Year " - 2007 , 2008, 2010 , "Person of the Year" - 2009;
-TV channel «Fashion TV» award as the most stylish producer - 2007, 2008, 2009 , 2010, 2011 , 2012;

Yana and Plushy are rising 3 fantastic boys, one of them only Baturin's boy. Yana is just rising him, adopted him. When they divorced she fought for the boys like a tiger.

 

[Xela M]

I know who is he.
That is a new picture.. and probably the worst picture ever made on him. When he and Yana were married(2001-2008, but she moved from him 2007. She and Plushy are together since 2007) he looked a little better.
And as I said, I'm not a fan of Yana. Just be fair to her. Like her or not she is not the typical bad woman, who uses her beauty ....

Her family: Father military pilot, was the director of the Altai Higher Military Air School. Mother - neurologist, PhD.
-Yana graduated from the Altai State Medical University as a specialist in skin and venereal diseases.
- Dima Bilan's producer since 2005, during which time Dima became the most titled Russian artist , winning all possible awards of "Eurovision" (2nd place in 2006 and 1st place in 2008), «MTV EMA» (7 awards), 11 "Muz-TV" awards, 10 «MTV» awards
-Enters the TOP-3 of the most stylish and successful business women of Russian show business;
-The general producer of the Academy of cinema and showbiz «STARS» and the Internet portal of the quality of life www.posta-magazine.ru;
-Enters in the TOP rankings of «TNS Gallup Media» with her business- projects, one of the most successful in the Russian show-business;
- "ZD" Award - "Producer of the Year " - 2007 , 2008, 2010 , "Person of the Year" - 2009;
-TV channel «Fashion TV» award as the most stylish producer - 2007, 2008, 2009 , 2010, 2011 , 2012;

Yana and Plushy are rising 3 fantastic boys, one of them only Baturin's boy. Yana is just rising him, adopted him. When they divorced she fought for the boys like a tiger.

I will find youtube videos of Baturin during his marriage to Yana. That man needs to be heard as well as seen to complete the image. Please don't tell me it was true love.

Her degrees and her parents' degrees say nothing about her at all. This is Russia. Everyone has degrees. Has she ever worked as a skin specialist?

Anyways, Yana left her kids with Baturin when she started her life with Plushenko if I remember correctly. It's only after he was imprisoned (on the tip off of his sister - nice family ) that Yana got the kids.

 

[Marge_Simpson]

This is a lot more fun than watching Netflicks.

 

[Japanfan]

The Russian women fought as the men in the 1917 revolution and in the II.WW.
The "working woman" in the factories -this was a great image in the Soviet Union...But..
. . . So she is not the tipical Russian woman. I read comments some Russians sent her like this " you shake yourself here but the fridge is empty "...

Do Russian men contribute to housework and child-care? Many do in the west, although women still do the bulk of it. But, the men of today contribute more than the men of the father's generation. The middle class in the post-WII era was characterized by the suburban housewife, who basically did everything in the home.

Also, how does Russian women's pay compare to Russian men's pay? In the west it's generally believed that women earn 76% of what men earn, on average. However, I've no actual sources for that on hand.

Some time ago I read that when women come to dominate a profession, the real value of their wage goes down in comparison to men. There are many female psychologists in the west who have earned PhDs, and they earn less than professionals in male dominated fields like engineering, that likewise require a PhD. One of the examples given in that article was doctors in Russia, who were predominately female, and their relatively low wage.

Another example would be child-care workers and dental receptionists, largely female dominated fields. They get paid quite well, relatively speaking, but earn less than men with similar skill levels and training, such as welders or roofers.

 

[IceAlisa]

While I agree with your point on Russian women, and the fact that sexism is not the same issue/problem,

I wonder if you are aware that women who fought in WW2 and returned home, had trouble marrying and were shunned because they were considered "whores" having spent so much time in predominantly male company, regardless of how much they'd contributed to the war effort.

Cut to modern Russia: http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2010/12/the_cheating_cheaters_of_moscow.html

This article is mostly about infidelity but it does touch on the sexism.

the liberation is more for men than for women. For all its modernity, Moscow has been the seat of resurgent Russian paternalism since the arrival of Putin and his conservative nationalist agenda. Since men are the ones carving up the pie and doling out the slices, the way to show you have lots of pie is to be able to afford (wine and dine, regale with gifts) more than one woman. A 30-year-old Muscovite named Lena told me that certain social circles don't accept her male banker friends if they don't have mistresses. "It's like having a Mercedes E Class"

 

[lala]

I will find youtube videos of Baturin during his marriage to Yana. That man needs to be heard as well as seen to complete the image. Please don't tell me it was true love.

Her degrees and her parents' degrees say nothing about her at all. This is Russia. Everyone has degrees. Has she ever worked as a skin specialist?

Anyways, Yana left her kids with Baturin when she started her life with Plushenko if I remember correctly. It's only after he was imprisoned (on the tip off of his sister - nice family ) that Yana got the kids.

No. You are wrong you remember wrongly.. It seems you remained real Russian. Clear malice but few informations. They had an ugly divorce but Yana really fought for the children. The court gave the children to Yana, but Baturin would not let to see them.... Her relationship with Plushenko almost interrupted because Yana was depressed because of the children, she cried all the time.... But you know, the guys aren't little boys anymore. They learn in a very elegant english-language private school, no one can cheat them. They love her mother and admire Plushenko so much. Nicolai Baturin lost 10 kg of weight and he is a footbal player https://www.instagram.com/n_baturin27/ Andrei is a professional golfer, he is a shy guy. Sasha Plushenko is a wonder. Incredible smart and cute. If I know well he will have a show in one of the TV channels, he has more than 111 000 followers on Instagram. https://www.instagram.com/gnomgnomych/

Poor Russia, everyone has degrees.. In my country, too. But the Medical University is very serious, very hard......
After graduating from university in 1998, began to conduct in business, it has become the owner of the salon "French Beauty Studio". Since 2001 and up to now it is the owner of the brand «Franck Provost». In 2003, he founded the «Grand La Scala Fashion Group». Her beauty salons and boutiques are located mainly in Moscow and Sochi.

So as I said Yana isn't saint, but isn't so bad as you want to show . She is a talented, stubborn, strong-willed woman. As I said I'm not a fan of her, she is too "plastic" for me, but you be fair. Maybe this is your biggest problem: https://www.instagram.com/p/BCX4Bl8FSNl/?taken-by=rudkovskayaofficial envy????