Yuzuru Hanyu Cheer Thread

rosewood said:
Or simply does the 4T in the first half. He can do 3A in his sleep. My concern is he is getting less consistent on 3Lz.
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Yuzuru will not give up quad in the second half. He wants 2 quads in the SP eventually.
As for the lutz, his 3Lz is ok in practice. It's the pop quad that affected his 3lz3T because they are too close to each other when it comes to timing. So the safest choice should be going for a 2lo after a meh 3lz. He should think of some alternative options in case the 4T isn't good.
 
Everyone does better in practice than in the competition. 3A 3T 3Lz-2Lo would be a meh layout. (Remember another mistake on 4T can affect the 3Lz again.) But maybe we'd better see FS first and then talk about planned layouts/recoveries etc. I wonder if the -4 deduction rule is somewhat affecting his nerves on quads this season. But anyways let's see how he does in FS.
 
rosewood said:
Everyone does better in practice than in the competition. 3A 3T 3Lz-2Lo would be a meh layout. (Remember another mistake on 4T can affect the 3Lz again.) But maybe we'd better see FS first and then talk about planned layouts/recoveries etc. I wonder if the -4 deduction rule is somewhat affecting his nerves on quads this season. But anyways let's see how he does in FS.
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Orser said something like he went into the quad with too much speed. And the entry before the quad was troublesome too. The entry for quad toe was very much like entry for quad sal. I don't get why it was choreographed that way but apparently it doesn't work in competition. Hopefully they will change it.
Here's his SP without commentary and we can hear a bit of what Orser said in the Kiss and Cry: http://youtu.be/EHVLmTvpzD4
 
Meoima said:
Or switch to 3lz3Lo. Even if the landing of 3lz is bad, adding a 2Lo is safe.
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You say that as if he could just do a 3Lz3Lo like that... but we never saw him practice it. His solo 3Lo is great (and his 4Lo amazing), but that's quite different from when you have to do it as a 2nd jump in a combination. There's a reason we see so little of them. And he would have to invest all this training time into even another combination. The 4S looks like an easier solution in that case.

And even if it did happen at this comp, Hanyu usually pops his 4T rarely. I don't think that risk is worth the time it would take to learn a whole new combination.
 
Li'Kitsu said:
You say that as if he could just do a 3Lz3Lo like that... but we never saw him practice it. His solo 3Lo is great (and his 4Lo amazing), but that's quite different from when you have to do it as a 2nd jump in a combination. There's a reason we see so little of them. And he would have to invest all this training time into even another combination. The 4S looks like an easier solution in that case.

And even if it did happen at this comp, Hanyu usually pops his 4T rarely. I don't think that risk is worth the time it would take to learn a whole new combination.
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Seriously I think his success rate of 4S is higher than 4T now, maybe he should switch to 4S in SP. He wants 2 quads in SP in the future, so maybe 4T as the first jump and 4S as the second. Whatever it takes, his 4T has become much less reliable to me.
 
Congrats Yuzuru on your gusty come back with 3 quads and 2 triple axel landed. Here's the video: http://dai.ly/x3buxai
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That silver is so wonderful Yuzuru. :encore:You have learned a great lesson from this competition. 2 weeks ago I didn't believe that you can land all the quads in LP but I am happy that I was wrong. :cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:
 
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For anyone who is having trouble streaming Yuzu's FS I uploaded a copy I was finally able to save from dailymotion into my google drive. You should be able to stream or download the clip here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0ghgb8rCrI8U1dzdkV4cm83QzQ/view?usp=sharing
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Someone from GS has uploaded Yuzuru's FS on Google drive for fans who couldn't view his program on YouTube because of license issue.

Edit: Russian commentary of Yuzuru's free skate: http://youtu.be/vJq6UK_2siY

And TSN's commentary (I am not sure if you can watch it from US though): http://youtu.be/PFEOMMzgaXQ

Just added: British Europsport commentary http://youtu.be/qsYc4UG4FIQ
 
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My heart hurts for Yuzuru. In head to head competitions with Chan it appears that Chan skating and completing 80% of his elements will beat him every time.
 
topaz said:
My heart hurts for Yuzuru. In head to head competitions with Chan it appears that Chan skating and completing 80% of his elements will beat him every time.
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not really ;) Hanyu can score 15-17 points more TES with this program if he will remove mistakes he did here, and up to his top quality later in season
He runned out of energy at the end before lutz, but it's understandable with how crazy difficult this program is, I am sure he will be stronger and stronger as season goes on
But he really can land those 3 quads +2 triple axels !
 
I must comment here on this thread. LUV Hanyu.

I feel his scores at Skate Canada were a total JOKE compared to Chan's. Either Chanflation continues (one judge gave Chan 10 for SS) or the judges are keeping Hanyu down on purpose.

What do we think? I think the same, horrible, disgusting, UNFAIR marking of Chan will continue until 2018 and that Hanyu will NEVER be scored fairly in comparison to Patrick.

So, now I feel badly for Hanyu. The judges have told him that no matter what he does, they will put Chan first, even if Chan's content is JUNIOR compared to Hanyu. I feel very angry about it.
 
LarrySK8 said:
I must comment here on this thread. LUV Hanyu.

I feel his scores at Skate Canada were a total JOKE compared to Chan's. Either Chanflation continues (one judge gave Chan 10 for SS) or the judges are keeping Hanyu down on purpose.

What do we think? I think the same, horrible, disgusting, UNFAIR marking of Chan will continue until 2018 and that Hanyu will NEVER be scored fairly in comparison to Patrick.

So, now I feel badly for Hanyu. The judges have told him that no matter what he does, they will put Chan first, even if Chan's content is JUNIOR compared to Hanyu. I feel very angry about it.
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I don't think that was THAT big inflantion, but imo TES was too close. Without GOEs TES content vs 90 vs 75, and ended 98 vs 95.... But the judge who gave Hanyu marks at Nguyen level should be ashamed.
Also I completely don't agree with Hanyu 8.50 for transitions. He had linking moves to all of his jumps, and they were hard.
Hope Hanyu will come out with all guns at GPF :D
 
handomi said:
not really ;) Hanyu can score 15-17 points more TES with this program if he will remove mistakes he did here, and up to his top quality later in season
He runned out of energy at the end before lutz, but it's understandable with how crazy difficult this program is, I am sure he will be stronger and stronger as season goes on
But he really can land those 3 quads +2 triple axels !
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I'm not so sure. The GOE Chan received more than made up for the TES base Hanyu had. Due to Chan'skating skating skills, I can see his goe remaining more than Hanyu.
 
topaz said:
My heart hurts for Yuzuru. In head to head competitions with Chan it appears that Chan skating and completing 80% of his elements will beat him every time.
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I don't think so. I think they will go back and forth all season and, as a fan of both, I'm quite happy to watch this Battle of the Titans.
 
LarrySK8 said:
I must comment here on this thread. LUV Hanyu.
I feel his scores at Skate Canada were a total JOKE compared to Chan's. Either Chanflation continues (one judge gave Chan 10 for SS) or the judges are keeping Hanyu down on purpose.
What do we think? I think the same, horrible, disgusting, UNFAIR marking of Chan will continue until 2018 and that Hanyu will NEVER be scored fairly in comparison to Patrick.
So, now I feel badly for Hanyu. The judges have told him that no matter what he does, they will put Chan first, even if Chan's content is JUNIOR compared to Hanyu. I feel very angry about it.
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As a fan of Yuzuru I agree with the final placement, given what a low score Yuzuru got in the short, but yeah the PCS and GOE gap in the LP is indeed too much. However it's in Canada. Judging in other countries my be different. I have no doubt this result will fuel Yuzuru even more as he said in the press he "considers Patrick as the sun" and he "wants to surpass the sun".

At SC Yuzuru made several costly mistakes so he blames himself, which is a right attitude in this situation. If by the time Yuzuru lands all of his jumps with great quality and judges still give them the insufferable gap, then riot will happen.

As for now, let it be. I am sure Yuzuru will get much much better as the season goes. After all he never got outstanding results during GP series anyways so I kind of expected it before SC.

Yuzuru is the kind who starts quite late. This season opening is already much better than the previous one.
 
topaz said:
My heart hurts for Yuzuru. In head to head competitions with Chan it appears that Chan skating and completing 80% of his elements will beat him every time.
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Eh no. People at the arena said during SP Yuzuru was not less fast and smooth than Patrick. There was not big gap in SP regards speed and SS. So the issue in the LP at Skate Canada is that Yuzuru did not have enough power to skate his free skate to his full potential. You think Yuzuru's jumps are small they can't gain more GOE? Actually Yuzuru's jumps are huge, at his best his jumps are bigger than Patrick. When Yuzuru improves his cardio and his stamina and reaches the next level, he will break a lot of barriers. :respec:

I believe in Yuzuru's potential. And I think Mishin believes so too. Before Yuzuru's free skate he said this: "Sometimes things don't go as we want. But I trust you, I believe in you. You are the best, go and collect those points."
(You can see backstage video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE_e66xh-Dk)
And after Yuzuru finished his free skate, Mishin came to Yuzuru and gave him a big hug in the backstage. I am not kidding, this was told by people who were there.:cheer2: I think great coaches all see that Yuzuru has the potential to do bigger than that and they appreciate his effort. As a fan I have high hopes he will do big this season.

Lots of love and positive thoughts to Yuzuru. He has such beautiful programs and I know he will make it (aka skating clean) back to back soon. :grope:
 
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Scrufflet said:
I don't think so. I think they will go back and forth all season and, as a fan of both, I'm quite happy to watch this Battle of the Titans.
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Maybe next time Yuzuru will do more difficult entries before quads to get GOE from the judges.

Here Yuzuru did "Spread eagle 4S Spread eagle" in Skate Canada gala practice, video by Frances Kao: https://www.facebook.com/frances.kao.14/videos/1083542791678888/

Edit: He also did spread eagle-3 turn-4T-spread eagle
https://www.facebook.com/frances.kao.14/videos/1083545115011989/
 
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topaz said:
I'm not so sure. The GOE Chan received more than made up for the TES base Hanyu had. Due to Chan'skating skating skills, I can see his goe remaining more than Hanyu.
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Patrick deserved good jump GOE this time because all his jumps were right on. Everything was clicking for him in this program.

But how often, in the past, has that happened? Not often. Usually Patrick will hit a big quad or two and then tighten up and have silly mistakes on other jumps and even footwork. That has been his norm. And if that happens, he won't get this type of GOE, in my opinion.

Yuzuru was very good, but just a little sloppy, and he opened the door for Patrick. If Yuzu hits all his jump content and also performs the program better, I doubt Patrick will be able to beat him. Yuzu's performance level here was not his best, he needs to get sharper with his choreo and improve his stamina. I have confidence he'll get there.
 
clairecloutier said:
Patrick deserved good jump GOE this time because all his jumps were right on. Everything was clicking for him in this program.

But how often, in the past, has that happened? Not often. Usually Patrick will hit a big quad or two and then tighten up and have silly mistakes on other jumps and even footwork. That has been his norm. And if that happens, he won't get this type of GOE, in my opinion.

Yuzuru was very good, but just a little sloppy, and he opened the door for Patrick. If Yuzu hits all his jump content and also performs the program better, I doubt Patrick will be able to beat him. Yuzu's performance level here was not his best, he needs to get sharper with his choreo and improve his stamina. I have confidence he'll get there.
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From what I counted with reality GOE and PCS if Hanyu will hit his program to his best he can score another 20-21 points(15-17 TES+4 PCS (PCS 92))
 
handomi said:
From what I counted with reality GOE and PCS if Hanyu will hit his program to his best he can score another 20-21 points(15-17 TES+4 PCS (PCS 92))
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If he hits everything with positive GOE (from 0.5 to 1-1.5) then it will be over 200. But of course it sounds like a LOOOOOOOONG road.
 
topaz said:
My heart hurts for Yuzuru. In head to head competitions with Chan it appears that Chan skating and completing 80% of his elements will beat him every time.
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Kind of a silly conclusion. Chan's TES base score right now is close to 20 points lower. If Hanyu skates even close to clean over the 2 programs Chan would have no chance right now. At Skate Canada Chan skated very well, while Hanyu had major errors in both programs, and his PCS in the LP took an understandable hit skating first in the final flight after his low SP placing (while Chan also getting the predicted Canflation like all Canadian skaters at home, all Japanese skaters at home, all Russian skaters at home, etc....).
 
We are propably going to see spread eagle-4S-spread eagle.

Hanyu SP layout for NHK

4S

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4T3T
3A

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