What Kind of Skating Website is Missing?

I think an archive of results, event breakdowns and great links to all the videos online would be great. I find I watch historical videos and go "wow that a crazy layback" or "cool! a 2A landing into a spin". There are some real treats that have gone away with IJS that need to be called out.

I wouldn't give up on the idea of complaining about judging. I would actually double down on this take and create sort of a 'Shadow Judging' site and on this initiative partner with a few knowledgeable people including some credible names such as Duhamel or White if interested.

Judge GP events and ISU championships. Re-do the judging sheets to what they SHOULD be with clear rationale for each mark (each component, base value, GoE) and thus call out the empirical magnitude of the incorrect judging. Be that detailed. I think your site would get traction over time, general media might comment on it and in best case scenario can influence the sport to judge properly.

Sure you'll get criticism with no formal judging training and things like SS need to be seen live, but you can keep the upper hand if no credible body is or willing to provide a counter argument. And if you DO get explanations that's also good for the sport.

The upside is you not only get to nurture a hobby but you could have a positive influence on the sport. Long shot but I think worth the time and energy.
 
I wouldn't give up on the idea of complaining about judging. I would actually double down on this take and create sort of a 'Shadow Judging' site and on this initiative partner with a few knowledgeable people including some credible names such as Duhamel or White if interested.

Judge GP events and ISU championships. Re-do the judging sheets to what they SHOULD be with clear rationale for each mark (each component, base value, GoE) and thus call out the empirical magnitude of the incorrect judging. Be that detailed. I think your site would get traction over time, general media might comment on it and in best case scenario can influence the sport to judge properly.

Sure you'll get criticism with no formal judging training and things like SS need to be seen live, but you can keep the upper hand if no credible body is or willing to provide a counter argument. And if you DO get explanations that's also good for the sport.

This actually is very similar to something I have contemplated for a while now. It’s just the video editing and necessary graphics/formatting that would trip me up a bit.

So if anyone out there is listening... ;)
 
This actually is very similar to something I have contemplated for a while now. It’s just the video editing and necessary graphics/formatting that would trip me up a bit.

So if anyone out there is listening... ;)

Can't help you there ::::: crickets chirping ::::::

One comment about components; you might have to break each one down a bit further than traditional score sheets and give a sub grade for the top 5-6 things that matter e.g. (I'm not referencing rules rn so don't shoot me):

Skating Skills
  1. strong skating vocabulary on both feet (all turns, deep edges, directions): VERY GOOD
  2. easily creates power on both feet: GOOD
  3. effortless speed and power: EXCELLENT
  4. maintains speed throughout program: AVERAGE
  5. etc etc
TOTAL: 7.75 (VERY GOOD)

This might be necessary because too many times people think a component means mostly one thing e.g. PE has only a bit to do with performance quality/engagement. There is clarity of movement (a pet peeve of mine, as so many moves are thrown away, but I digress...) and a bunch of other things. So if you break it down you save some arguments. Some.

Also, if it's a ton of work, start by just reviewing the final groups and if you have capacity, expand it later on.

Have fun!
 
I think an archive of results, event breakdowns and great links to all the videos online would be great. I find I watch historical videos and go "wow that a crazy layback" or "cool! a 2A landing into a spin". There are some real treats that have gone away with IJS that need to be called out.

I wouldn't give up on the idea of complaining about judging. I would actually double down on this take and create sort of a 'Shadow Judging' site and on this initiative partner with a few knowledgeable people including some credible names such as Duhamel or White if interested.

Judge GP events and ISU championships. Re-do the judging sheets to what they SHOULD be with clear rationale for each mark (each component, base value, GoE) and thus call out the empirical magnitude of the incorrect judging. Be that detailed. I think your site would get traction over time, general media might comment on it and in best case scenario can influence the sport to judge properly.

Sure you'll get criticism with no formal judging training and things like SS need to be seen live, but you can keep the upper hand if no credible body is or willing to provide a counter argument. And if you DO get explanations that's also good for the sport.

The upside is you not only get to nurture a hobby but you could have a positive influence on the sport. Long shot but I think worth the time and energy.

There was a website called Skatabase that had archives, breakdowns and lots of info on historical skating. I had a link to it in my Skating Directory. I discovered yesterday that the website no longer exists when I tried going to it.

Count me in as one who would like to see another website similar to Skatabase that has an archive of historical events, breakdowns, etc.
 
There was a website called Skatabase that had archives, breakdowns and lots of info on historical skating. I had a link to it in my Skating Directory. I discovered yesterday that the website no longer exists when I tried going to it.

Count me in as one who would like to see another website similar to Skatabase that has an archive of historical events, breakdowns, etc.


Yes, not just the data, but links to videos and some value-added commentary and summaries.

I find YouTube frustrating in that search doesn't give you all the relevant search returns you are looking for, which makes searching for videos really tough. Needs to almost be a collective effort.
 
I might be dating myself too but I remember Ellyn IIRC was in charge of Skatabase, but then it got transferred to something like eskatefans or some other random skating site and then it really went downhill and the interface became impossible to navigate.

There was a lot of angst and drama when Ellen Edgerton decided to focus on other things. My memory is good but short, but I believe Virginia Blalock? took it over. She used to post on skatefans. Ellen's other site is still up:

http://www.silent-edge.org/index.html

I don't think anyone was keeping very good track of music and choreographers decades ago. There weren't as many choreographers, nor as much emphasis on music selection in the same way as today. Wiki has some information, but not much re past skaters. Probably, there's a bit of information on old broadcasts which might be researched, but that would take time, access, financial resources, etc.

Actually there was. :) A friend and I had a webpage that has since been taken down - Skatemusiclist. But I still have the original data and I've kept it up. I have it on excel. Choreo info was pretty well non existant in the 80's. It was probably after 1994 that it became something of interest to skating fans. My friend and I had talked about adding a column in for choreo when we first started the spreadsheet, but so few skaters id'd their music let alone their choreo's.


There are several members here that also have YouTube channels with historical skating, and I appreciate every member that has shared their skating videos. I can say by experience that there's a lot of effort put into making those videos not to mention how time consuming it is, and we all have one thing in common. We love to share what we have so fans have the opportunity to see all the wonderful skating of the past.

When I'm trying to add to the spreadsheet I have, I usually go to floskate's youtube channel.
 
Yes, not just the data, but links to videos and some value-added commentary and summaries.

I find YouTube frustrating in that search doesn't give you all the relevant search returns you are looking for, which makes searching for videos really tough. Needs to almost be a collective effort.


The problem with linking YT videos is that from time to time the accounts of the people willing enough to put all that footage online get put down for copyright issues.
 
I really wish there was a searchable database of program music & choreographers. I suppose it would be almost impossible to create an accurate one going back many decades, but that's what I would most want to see.
This for me, as well.
I would be very interested in lists of works of choreographers, and
I would love to see music, choreographer and coach mentioned for every video of skater's program.
 
The problem with linking YT videos is that from time to time the accounts of the people willing enough to put all that footage online get put down for copyright issues.
I've had about 3 videos that were muted where the music begins for a skater's program as of now. I've been pretty lucky so far, and I hope it stays that way.

This hasn't been updated since around 2007, but it gives a list of the first jumps that were successfully landed during skating competitions. I would love to see something similar to this including all the latest successful jumps like Mirai landing the triple axel during the team event at the Olympics for example.

Skating Firsts - jumps- plus historical time capsule
 

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