U.S. Pairs 2018 - News & Updates, Part VIII

[VGThuy]

All you had to do was wait till 4CC to see if Kayne/O'Shea would have been able to travel. There is some ulterior motive for you posting what you did and it's quite despicable.

 

[chachacha]

Ridiculous that you would even bring that up, it looks like it happened many years ago. Everyone makes mistakes, you're obviously some sort of Danarah hater for bringing it up at all.

The Arrest happened August of 2914. The case just was finalized and Danny sentenced December 27,2017. So it’s not Ridiculous to have brought it up. I think it’s ridiculous that Deanna and Nate were not sent to Worlds. instead send a team where one of the members is now on probation and not the best Ambassador for representing the USA internationally. Sorry but until Danny completes his probation he should not be representing the USA. Plus his travel will be limited to those countries that don’t require Visas. What Grand Prix did they withdraw from? China! Is a Visa required for China? Yes. Just saying!

 

[chachacha]

The Arrest happened August of 2914. The case just was finalized and Danny sentenced December 27,2017. So it’s not Ridiculous to have brought it up. I think it’s ridiculous that Deanna and Nate were not sent to Worlds. instead send a team where one of the members is now on probation and not the best Ambassador for representing the USA internationally. Sorry but until Danny completes his probation he should not be representing the USA. Plus his travel will be limited to those countries that don’t require Visas. What Grand Prix did they withdraw from? China! Is a Visa required for China? Yes. Just saying!

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The Arrest happened August of 2914. The case just was finalized and Danny sentenced December 27,2017. So it’s not Ridiculous to have brought it up. I think it’s ridiculous that Deanna and Nate were not sent to Worlds. instead send a team where one of the members is now on probation and not the best Ambassador for representing the USA internationally. Sorry but until Danny completes his probation he should not be representing the USA. Plus his travel will be limited to those countries that don’t require Visas. What Grand Prix did they withdraw from? China! Is a Visa required for China? Yes. Just saying!

one more thing to add! I do think Harvard39 should NOT have posted this info here, but once I saw it I did read the arrest record. I do think Deanna and Nate deserve to go to Worlds. This subject and posts from Harvard39 should get deleted. I am however shocked and a bit perplexed how they will travel and Harvard39 has a point. But let’s not fuel this fire and talk about actual skating!

 

[chachacha]

Who’s getting excited for the Olympics? I’m looking forward to watching Alexa and Chris they are gonna kick some butt!

 

[casken]

a team where one of the members is now on probation and not the best Ambassador for representing the USA internationally.

Sounds like the perfect person to represent the USA where we are right now.

 

[Sylvia]

American pairs teams reflect on state of U.S. pairs skating
http://figureskatersonline.com/news...-teams-reflect-on-state-of-u-s-pairs-skating/

An article I did from Nationals, with quotes from the top 4 teams

Thanks so much for your dedicated pairs coverage in San Jose, @clairecloutier! I particularly like this quote from Alexa (from the SP presser, I assume?):

Scimeca Knierim said: “I used to be affected by the negative image of American pairs. But I think [about] these three teams …. I know that Tarah coming back from her injury, and Deanna coming back from a lifetime ago, and us coming back from our injuries …. The reason these three teams have come back is that we love it. That’s our soul. The three teams up here love to skate and keep pushing themselves to get better. And that’s helped me not really care any more about this stigma about American pairs. We just are all trying to do our best each day.”

 

[overedge]

The Arrest happened August of 2914. The case just was finalized and Danny sentenced December 27,2017. So it’s not Ridiculous to have brought it up. I think it’s ridiculous that Deanna and Nate were not sent to Worlds. instead send a team where one of the members is now on probation and not the best Ambassador for representing the USA internationally. Sorry but until Danny completes his probation he should not be representing the USA. Plus his travel will be limited to those countries that don’t require Visas. What Grand Prix did they withdraw from? China! Is a Visa required for China? Yes. Just saying!

WTF. Do you seriously think that having a single DUI involving only property damage makes someone unfit to be "the best Ambassador for the USA?

Yes, drunk driving is wrong and a lot worse things could have happened. But the fact that the initial charges were laid in 2014 (not 2914) and are suddenly the subject of multiple posts here by new posters and relatively quiet posters - that stinks to high heaven and is certainly not a coincidence. I don't know who is behind this smear campaign but whoever you are, your motives are more than obvious and you're having the exact opposite effect from what you intended.

 

[Willin]

@overedge While the posting is highly suspect and certainly screams of a smear campaign (given that no one had heard of this before that initial poster), I do wonder about the travel part of things.
As I said in my first post in reply to that poster, if there isn't some diplomatic string-pulling (and if this is really the Danny O'Shea who is a pair's skater), he won't be able to travel to Japan or China, and he may not be able to go to Canada - all countries with major competitions. This would also make it very difficult for them to attend the 2022 games assuming they qualify. I don't think there should be any restriction on getting into Taiwan for 4CC this year unless China controls their boarders (idk if they do? I haven't kept up on that situation lately).

In this case, as I'm skeptical about whether this is the right person or not, I'm more curious as to how USFSA would handle a case like this. I'm sure it's happened in the past, although for some reason I'd think it would be a problem with a coach getting a DUI instead of a skater. Obviously, they would have to ensure the skater would go to competitions in the EU instead of Japan/China, and they may have to make early decisions if USFSA chooses to send them to Canada. And what would happen if the skater makes a Worlds team for a country that won't let them in or qualify for a GPF in one of those countries? Certainly it would be an interesting situation. I think for more high profile money-making sports there seems to be some string-pulling involved to get guys with criminal charges to international games, but I'm not sure that would happen for sports like figure skating that don't have literal billions in revenue.

 

[overedge]

@Willin here's the information for admission to Canada:
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigratio...issibility/overcome-criminal-convictions.html
There are several grounds under which people convicted of DUIs are eligible to enter Canada. One plea of not guilty to a charge laid five years ago would likely not be enough to make someone inadmissible to Canada forever.

 

[Tinami Amori]

I'm just curious how he will be able to travel and even if he can travel most countries will not issue visas. It's not a concpiracy it's a fact and again Public Record!

What are you talking about? US citizens do not need "visas" to Taiwan/4CC or to S.Korea/Olympics (with valid US passport stay up to 90 days without visa), or to Milano/Worlds 2018.

Also, one can travel to 99% of countries with 3 DUI's and more if one has a valid US passport.... Europe, Asia, Latin America don't event care or check, because DUI is not a "crime", just misdemeanor.

The only country (which concerns figure skating) is Canada, where DUI is a crime, but you still can get in, if you ride in a car, and another person is driving. They only check Driver's License of the driver. If you're a passenger, they'll only check your passport and it does not show DUI....

.. and if you are right about his situation, and let's say you are concerned that he can't rent a car in foreign lands because he no longer has a Driver's License.... well, that's can easily be solved if one has a brain. When you're stopped for DUI check and know you're going to "get it", when police officer asks you for your DL, one can say "oh, i forgot it". DUI as it is going to hit you for 3-4K, so what's another 150 bucks for lack of license. So you get to keep your old license, which is not valid in USA, but local rental agencies abroad do not check US data base (as long as it is not Avis, Budget, etc).

so..... he can travel, he does not need visas to competitions in 2018, and he can rent a car (if he played his cards right).

 

[kwanfan1818]

The only country (which concerns figure skating) is Canada, where DUI is a crime, but you still can get in, if you drive in a car, and not the one sitting at the wheel wit the Driver's License. If you're a passenger, they'll only check your passport and it does not show DUI....

They cross-reference people by passport, and they've also been known to ask outright as you cross the border. I've seen both happen, and I've been asked outright myself before I got NEXUS and later became a citizen.

 

[Tinami Amori]

They cross-reference people by passport, and they've also been known to ask outright as you cross the border. I've seen both happen, and I've been asked outright myself before I got NEXUS and later became a citizen.

Passport numbers do not cross ref to Driver's Licenses, unless you obtained Enhanced Drivers License (EDL) which can be used as a substitute for Passport Card (which is only valid for entry into Canada, Mexico and the Islands). As to "asking" at the border..... look nice, don't appear as a thug or hooligan, smile and say "no"...

 

[kwanfan1818]

I was a passenger in a car when the driver handed over his passport, and they refused entry to us citing his DUI's. So whatever magic they had, they busted him.

We drove back to Bellingham, had lunch, and then he took me to the bus station to get to Vancouver.

 

[Tinami Amori]

I was a passenger in a car when the driver handed over his passport, and they refused entry to us citing his DUI's. So whatever magic they had, they busted him.

We drove back to Bellingham, had lunch, and then he took me to the bus station to get to Vancouver.

The one with DUI should be "passenger" (like i said above), in this case the one with DUI was the "driver", they get checked more.

 

[kwanfan1818]

Yes, but he showed them his passport, not his drivers license, and he was busted.

 

[wickedwitch]

DUIs should be considered a major offense. And personally, I think everyone convicted of one should have their drivers license revoked for at least 6 months.

My other thought was why someone from S/B's camp -- and it must be someone who knows S/B personally because otherwise how would they find out about the DUI -- is trying to smear Danny. They share the same coach!

 

[Skittl1321]

I agree a DUI is not a tiny thing- and it can impact his ability to get into other countries. I've heard of bands having to cancel Canadian performances when someone couldn't get in.

That said, it is weird we are just hearing about it 4 years later. Why bring it up now.

 

[jiejie]

I don't know about this new poster's motives and timing, but I have to agree that as long as legal probation is in force on Danny O'Shea, USFS will have to keep this this pair's eligibility for international assignments in mind. And for obtaining visa/entry to some countries, the cloud will hang over him for a number of years, even after the probation is completed and even though this was a misdemeanor (as listed per records).

While the DUI event happened in August 2014, the stringing out of the resolution until very recently (Dec 2017, pleading no contest) appears due to Danny or his attorney's insistence on a trial instead of settling with a plea bargain back in 2014. The records show an unusual amount of activity (instigated by the defense) for a misdemeanor charge. I'm sure he was gambling that the case would be dismissed or he would be cleared at a trial--and with either of those outcomes, he would have a clear record for future international travels. This gamble has now been lost though he could have ended up with a worse punishment. And he was NOT charged and convicted of a felony, which would have had more serious implications to a traveling international career.

 

[AxelAnnie]

How do they find you have a DUI by merely looking at your passport?

 

[overedge]

I agree a DUI is not a tiny thing- and it can impact his ability to get into other countries. I've heard of bands having to cancel Canadian performances when someone couldn't get in.

That is usually from a conviction involving drugs, or from multiple DUIs or multiple other offenses. Not from a single DUI.

 

[Skittl1321]

That is usually from a conviction involving drugs, or from multiple DUIs or multiple other offenses. Not from a single DUI.

Apparently it is up to the immigration officer- a single DUI can do it.

(In the case I'm thinking of, it was the guy's only offense. Obscure band that my friends follow; not a big act.)

 

[RoseRed]

@overedge While the posting is highly suspect and certainly screams of a smear campaign (given that no one had heard of this before that initial poster), I do wonder about the travel part of things.
As I said in my first post in reply to that poster, if there isn't some diplomatic string-pulling (and if this is really the Danny O'Shea who is a pair's skater), he won't be able to travel to Japan or China, and he may not be able to go to Canada - all countries with major competitions. This would also make it very difficult for them to attend the 2022 games assuming they qualify. I don't think there should be any restriction on getting into Taiwan for 4CC this year unless China controls their boarders (idk if they do? I haven't kept up on that situation lately).

In this case, as I'm skeptical about whether this is the right person or not, I'm more curious as to how USFSA would handle a case like this. I'm sure it's happened in the past, although for some reason I'd think it would be a problem with a coach getting a DUI instead of a skater. Obviously, they would have to ensure the skater would go to competitions in the EU instead of Japan/China, and they may have to make early decisions if USFSA chooses to send them to Canada. And what would happen if the skater makes a Worlds team for a country that won't let them in or qualify for a GPF in one of those countries? Certainly it would be an interesting situation. I think for more high profile money-making sports there seems to be some string-pulling involved to get guys with criminal charges to international games, but I'm not sure that would happen for sports like figure skating that don't have literal billions in revenue.

Given that it's the same name, exact same birthday, the mailing address is Ellenton, Florida which is where K/O train, and that the person who paid the bond was listed as Jim Peterson, I think that's pretty safe to assume that it's him.

 

[jiejie]

How do they find you have a DUI by merely looking at your passport?

Some countries link up their Immigration and police computer databases internally and share with certain other countries. But it's not universal. This is why your USA passport could be swiped by Canada and your US police/court record could come up, but the same USA passport swiped by China would not produce internal USA situations.

The one exception is if you have an Interpol warrant or alert out, since that will alert worldwide (at least the multitude of countries that participate in Interpol). But you have to commit more than a DUI to warrant that treatment.

 

[semogal]

I read the report. It is a miracle that Danny didn't kill someone or himself by driving the WRONG WAY on the Interstate!This wasn't an 'oops I hit a trash can" event. I hope that he has learned from the experience and that he actually does the community service and doesn't buy his way out of it (which is an option in FL).

 

[Carolla5501]

How do they find you have a DUI by merely looking at your passport?

Under an international agreement these records are all linked. They swipe your passport and it pops up!

That is usually from a conviction involving drugs, or from multiple DUIs or multiple other offenses. Not from a single DUI.

No it's ONE DUI, not a pattern.

Apparently it is up to the immigration officer- a single DUI can do it.

(In the case I'm thinking of, it was the guy's only offense. Obscure band that my friends follow; not a big act.)

At least with Canada they know "everything" I think what is shared otherwise is probably based on agreements between the country
http://www.canadaduientrylaw.com/how-does-canada-know.php

"As of Nov 23, 2015, Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) agents have full access to the FBI criminal database at their primary checkpoints, which allows them to detect when a visitor has a warrant or a criminal conviction. United States criminal records are visible to border officers through the Canadian Police Information Centre (CPIC). Operated by the RCMP, the CPIC central police database is interfaced with the United States National Crime Information Center (NCIC), which is the FBI CJIS database interlinked with all federal, tribal, state, and local agencies in the US."

 

[Carolla5501]

No conspiracy like I said it's all public records and if you review the arrest report and all the court appearances Jim Peterson is listed as the person who has the bond. I've been following the case since I saw Danny's mug shot in the Bradenton Herald. I'm just curious how he will be able to travel and even if he can travel most countries will not issue visas. It's not a concpiracy it's a fact and again Public Record!

Website is www.manateeclerk.org. Go to search court records and enter Oshea for last name and D for first name and open the 1 case listed all the facts are there! Read the arrest report it references he's a figure skater. Read all the court appearance records that reflect Jim Peterson as holding the bond. I just think it's quite interesting that usfsa did not send Deanna and Nate to Worlds when Danny was just sentenced to 12 months of probation! Hmmm great representation for the support!

http://www.manateeclerk.org/DesktopModules/AwsModules/Clericus/PDF.aspx?page=1

[/QUOTE]

Your statement is PARTIALLY true. But when added the useless sentence below, you went from reporting to making up facts and perhaps you should be corresponding with TSL since that's there specialty??

Based on all the court appearances Danny had to attend perhaps Tarah never had a knee injury and maybe they really were just covering up the court date conflicts since they were around their Grand Prixs. .

At this point your have proven your motives are pure as the driven snow LOL!

 

[Willin]

@Carolla5501 Not only that sentence saying that Tarah never had a knee injury, but also whining and whining about how S/B should've beat them and how K/O didn't deserve to be named to the team above them. One wonders what this guy's motive is. As the two pairs train together, I'd imagine they're quite good friends and would not be happy to see this leaked. Not to mention athletes are inherently competitive and most (well, possibly not Tonya) would prefer that the winning happening on the playing field, not due to dumb decisions or unfortunate events occurring at other times.

 

[toddlj]

"But someone who made a big mistake in their 20's which fortunately didn't harm anyone should suffer eternally for that"... said no one ever.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Refresh my drink...

Why are we talking about a DUI instead of why no one is landing SBS jumps?

 

[AxelAnnie]

Some countries link up their Immigration and police computer databases internally and share with certain other countries. But it's not universal. This is why your USA passport could be swiped by Canada and your US police/court record could come up, but the same USA passport swiped by China would not produce internal USA situations.

The one exception is if you have an Interpol warrant or alert out, since that will alert worldwide (at least the multitude of countries that participate in Interpol). But you have to commit more than a DUI to warrant that treatment.

Wish the US did that. But of course, we would need to have the information from other countries.