The Skating Lesson

[Firedancer]

The Skating Lesson mentioned it on their worlds recap show.

I’m excited Alexa and Chris are trying a new coaching situation. I never thought it would happen considering Delilah married them and after listening to them gush about her this year. But I think the change could be good for them.

 

[thvu]

If only they could move to Russia and train with Moskvina.

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

@el henry I'm not sure if it was TSL or somewhere else, but I heard that Jason isn't for sure leaving Kori, but rather deciding whether to move to LA full time or split time between Kori and Frank Carroll.

Oh great. Jason will be skating to POTO or Firebird next season.

 

[meggonzo]

Oh great. Jason will be skating to POTO or Firebird next season.

Or Scheherazade

 

[skateboy]

Oh great. Jason will be skating to POTO or Firebird next season.

I think it could be interesting to see what Jason would do with Firebird.

POTO, on the other hand...

 

[nimi]

I wonder where/who they are moving to. I am not sure they need a coaching change so much as more of a technical/jump advisor and TomZ and Christy Krall are both supremely qualified in this regard. I am not sure how much jump expertise Florida camp has as they seem to attract skaters with good jumps already and then focus the pairs side. Chris and Alexa have the pairs side though... they need the tech side. I am just curious as to who and where is a good fit for what they need. Change for the sake of change is not always the best.

Then again... with all they have been through... a fresh start just for a fresh start could also be what they need for themselves.

(I presume you're talking about John Z's team here) I think it's mainly Silvia Fontana who zeroes in on the jump technique there. Don't know if they also use some jump expert(s) in addition to that.

Whichever coaching team the Knierims choose, I really hope they get a fresh start and that it'll work out for them.

 

[el henry]

@el henry I'm not sure if it was TSL or somewhere else, but I heard that Jason isn't for sure leaving Kori, but rather deciding whether to move to LA full time or split time between Kori and Frank Carroll.

I had heard that too, maybe that Dave was walking it back in a recap show, since I don’t watch them (the recaps, I will watch interviews with awesome guests like Meagan) anymore?

But, to totally divert to Jason, in a Zach Donahue IG story he refers to his “first coach” Kori Ade, so I guess he is working with someone else?. I spend my life parsing words, so of course I give that more weight than it’s due.... and of course I’m a fan, but as far as I’m concerned, Jason could skate a mash up of POTO, Firebird, Moulin Rouge greatest hits and Les Miz and sell it like the rent is due.

 

[Debbie S]

But, to totally divert to Jason, in a Zach Donahue IG story he refers to his “first coach” Kori Ade, so I guess he is working with someone else?. I spend my life parsing words, so of course I give that more weight than it’s due....

I noticed that too...and my profession also involves writing/communications so I wondered the same thing. I assume any coaching change announcement will be made shortly after SOI.

 

[clairecloutier]

Am I the only one confused about what exactly Frank brings to the table for Jason? Frank isn't primarily a technical or jump coach, and that's the main area where Jason needs help. He doesn't need help with artistry or polishing. And he doesn't really need help w/learning how to compete. (I suspect Jason's recent inconsistency has been more due to injury/quad pressure than anything else. He was always quite consistent until the last year or so.) So where does Frank come in exactly? And before anyone can say that I'm dissing Frank, I'm not. I totally respect him as a coach, especially his ability to polish and package and manage skaters. I'm just confused about how he and Jason are a fit.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

https://twitter.com/SkatingLesson/status/981531872718217216

OK, lets review the board rules...

1. When news such as this comes out you must email, text or fax ANL

2. If there is an Angela Nikodinov sighting you must FaceTime ANL

3. Once I have received such news, and have come to terms, you can then post on boards.....

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

If only they could move to Russia and train with Moskvina.

THATS what Im saying... or Miss Natalia Mishkutenok!!!!!!!!!!! Texas anyone??

SLAY!!!!!!!

 

[insideedgeua]

THATS what Im saying... or Miss Natalia Mishkutenok!!!!!!!!!!! Texas anyone??

SLAY!!!!!!!

Which would be strange, given that Natalia takes her daughter to Dalilah in Colorado regularly.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Which would be strange, given that Natalia takes her daughter to Dalilah in Colorado regularly.

or would it be perfect?

 

[insideedgeua]

or would it be perfect?

Perhaps a little of both.

I know another ex-Pair skater, when coaching, said that she only knew what the girl had to do. She’d never really thought about what the boy under her was doing, so she needed to be part of a coaching team.

 

[wickedwitch]

Am I the only one confused about what exactly Frank brings to the table for Jason? Frank isn't primarily a technical or jump coach, and that's the main area where Jason needs help. He doesn't need help with artistry or polishing. And he doesn't really need help w/learning how to compete. (I suspect Jason's recent inconsistency has been more due to injury/quad pressure than anything else. He was always quite consistent until the last year or so.) So where does Frank come in exactly? And before anyone can say that I'm dissing Frank, I'm not. I totally respect him as a coach, especially his ability to polish and package and manage skaters. I'm just confused about how he and Jason are a fit.

Jason's 3A and quad looked best right after working with Frank in the fall of 2016.

 

[skategal]

Hmmmm.....maybe Gautier or Marcotte in Montreal?

With D/R retiring, Montreal area would have an opening.

 

[misskarne]

Am I the only one confused about what exactly Frank brings to the table for Jason? Frank isn't primarily a technical or jump coach, and that's the main area where Jason needs help. He doesn't need help with artistry or polishing. And he doesn't really need help w/learning how to compete. (I suspect Jason's recent inconsistency has been more due to injury/quad pressure than anything else. He was always quite consistent until the last year or so.) So where does Frank come in exactly? And before anyone can say that I'm dissing Frank, I'm not. I totally respect him as a coach, especially his ability to polish and package and manage skaters. I'm just confused about how he and Jason are a fit.

Jason's jumps did look a lot better after some time with Frank, and he had increased power and speed to all of his skating.

That said, I'm more than happy for that to be a summer top-up and not a permanent fixture. An outdated old dinosaur like Frank would ruin Jason.

 

[aml78]

I cannot wait for Meagan Duhamel to coach. She is such a technician. With the right choreographer pairing she could produce some dynamo teams. I feel like she could do wonders with Alexa and Chris

 

[el henry]

So, while we’re running off topic (and I am guilty guilty guilty) let me just put in a good word for Frank Carroll and Jason.

1. First, he *adores* Jason. He has been quoted as saying, what is wrong with our sport, that it can’t recognize a skater like Jason Brown because he can’t get one jump? He knows what makes Jason special and would not mess with that.

2. I don’t give a rat’s patootie what he did with Linda Fratianne or Jennie Kirk as relates to his coaching skills now. Let me clue you in, old folks can learn. They can change their minds and they can change their work habits. I see no evidence that he is doing the weigh ins, the food monitoring, etc. *now*.

3. Gracie Gold would have gotten on my last nerve and I would have thrown her jacket in the trash too. I say that as someone who has been entirely supportive of Gracie and her journey. I am not a therapist and neither is Frank.

4. And I have a whole five minutes of sekret knowledge where I eavesdropped on Frank talking to Dice Murakami at a summer comp. He was calm, focused, making suggestions, not at all “my way or the highway” (certainly a lot less than good old Rafael A. comes off) Now is he going to scream and curse at a public venue? No. But I also think he gave zero fcuks about someone overhearing him either, and was not changing his style for that.

I can’t believe an 80 year old man wants to take on full time coaching. But if he does, I’d be on Team Frank.

 

[skatfan]

I can’t believe an 80 year old man wants to take on full time coaching. But if he does, I’d be on Team Frank.

This is the big question - does Frank want to have Jason as the lead coach? Who else would be on the team (I'd LOVE to see Jason and Lori Nichol do one of his programs together)? Would it all be in Palm Springs or LA too (a pain with commuting there.

And I'm more than a little surprised by the Kneirims leaving Deliah - I thought they would never do that. I hope its to John Zimmermann or Rockne Brubaker.

 

[misskarne]

1. First, he *adores* Jason. He has been quoted as saying, what is wrong with our sport, that it can’t recognize a skater like Jason Brown because he can’t get one jump? He knows what makes Jason special and would not mess with that.

I think he'd claim he wasn't messing with him. And then he'd send him to get yet another recycled Carmen program from Lori Nichol.

2. I don’t give a rat’s patootie what he did with Linda Fratianne or Jennie Kirk as relates to his coaching skills now. Let me clue you in, old folks can learn. They can change their minds and they can change their work habits. I see no evidence that he is doing the weigh ins, the food monitoring, etc. *now*.

You don't? Because if Gracie ever publishes a tell-all book, I'll bet solid money she'd reveal that sort of problem. You don't think it's a coincidence, do you? I wasn't even keeping a close eye on Gracie at the time and the very first thing I noticed after she went to Frank was that she had visibly lost weight she didn't have to lose.

3. Gracie Gold would have gotten on my last nerve and I would have thrown her jacket in the trash too. I say that as someone who has been entirely supportive of Gracie and her journey. I am not a therapist and neither is Frank.

No, Frank's not a therapist, but I don't think it's too much to ask for a supposedly grown adult to not act like a 12 year old. The jacket and the way he fired Gracie were absolutely unacceptable and I can't believe anyone could defend that. He had a young woman crying out for help and all he could do was try and humiliate her before the press? Yeah, great job.

I can’t believe an 80 year old man wants to take on full time coaching. But if he does, I’d be on Team Frank.

Another reason it shouldn't be Frank. The guy is ancient and on the verge of retirement.

At least I know for certain that Jason's practice manners are impeccable, since we also know that Frank supports his skaters cutting off others during their runthroughs. I doubt he could ruin that about Jason.

 

[berthesghost]

I really don’t get why a financially stable 80yo would want to still be working full time in a stressful field.

Concern that his packaging is dated or old fashioned is valid imho.

I really don’t get why parents with problem teens think sending them to grumpy old men is a solution. The Golds are a family with serious problems and thinking the guy who doesn’t put up with nonsense from anyone is the right fit for your daughter battling mental health issues deserves it’s own bad decision award.

For a brief nano second in 2016 she did actually look like she had an actual personality on the ice. But Jason already has personality and charisma in spades with mostly fun programs the general public likes. I’m not sure what Frank could give him full time. The window on making quad-less ogm has closed (slammed shut really) so I’m leaning toward thinking this is just consulting not a coach switch.

 

[thvu]

4. And I have a whole five minutes of sekret knowledge where I eavesdropped on Frank talking to Dice Murakami at a summer comp. He was calm, focused, making suggestions, not at all “my way or the highway” (certainly a lot less than good old Rafael A. comes off) Now is he going to scream and curse at a public venue? No. But I also think he gave zero fcuks about someone overhearing him either, and was not changing his style for that.

And yet there he is, still supporting Nathan.

 

[antmanb]

For a brief nano second in 2016 she did actually look like she had an actual personality on the ice. But Jason already has personality and charisma in spades with mostly fun programs the general public likes. I’m not sure what Frank could give him full time. The window on making quad-less ogm has closed (slammed shut really) so I’m leaning toward thinking this is just consulting not a coach switch.

I'm not sure I agree with Jason having an on ice personality and charisma already. All of Jason's programmes have been him doing Rohene choreography, I just see Rohene in every movement he does. If leaving Kori means not working with Rohene anymore, I'm not sure what the programmes would look like and it's that look and presentation that has gotten him where he is now. A Frank/Lori programme....i'm willing to keep an open mind and judge it on the merits, but if she's never worked with Jason before I can't imagine feeling good about any programmes she may do for him. I am very happy to be proved wrong.

 

[VGThuy]

I would think working with Jason would be a choreographer's dream. It seems he'd be able to do all sorts of moves and positions they can dream of.

 

[clairecloutier]

I would think working with Jason would be a choreographer's dream. It seems he'd be able to do all sorts of moves and positions they can dream of.

Totally agree. I think any choreographer would be in heaven working with Jason, as there is almost no limit what they could give him.

Once, we saw a brief program of Jason skating to another choreographer's work in a young choreographers' showcase or competition or something. It was good.

I would really, really like to see Jason get at least one competitive or show program from a choreographer other than Rohene, just to expand his artistic vocabulary and skills. But, I think Jason has already posted about him and Rohene choreographing a new SP for next season, and word had it that Rohene was with Jason on a recent trip to L.A., so it seems likely Jason is sticking with him.

 

[WillyElliot]

Am I the only one confused about what exactly Frank brings to the table for Jason? Frank isn't primarily a technical or jump coach, and that's the main area where Jason needs help. He doesn't need help with artistry or polishing. And he doesn't really need help w/learning how to compete. (I suspect Jason's recent inconsistency has been more due to injury/quad pressure than anything else. He was always quite consistent until the last year or so.) So where does Frank come in exactly? And before anyone can say that I'm dissing Frank, I'm not. I totally respect him as a coach, especially his ability to polish and package and manage skaters. I'm just confused about how he and Jason are a fit.

I was wondering the same thing. Jason only needs quads now to reach the top. Carroll isn't the coach to go for to gain consistent quads.

 

[StasiyaGalustyanLove]

Frank might be old but his fancy hats and his droopy jowls make him a real character and my wife and I appreciate that! By the way; what ever happened between him and Gracey Gold that made her get a twitter account and say mean things about including offeses against Oriental's?

 

[antmanb]

I've just watched the start of the discussion with Duhamel who I just love. But I really had to control myself to not kick my computer screen in when Dave and the dickhead next to him were laying into Alexa Scimeca. How clueless are they to be giving lectures on how to react to people on social media?

Dave blocks everyone and argues like a petulant child, and as if crying in a bathroom dickhead gets to give social media posting advice. Literally could not believe the self righteous sanctimonious tone they took!

 

[Peepsquick]

Sorry, wrong thread!