The Pennsylvania Catholic Scandal

snowbird said:
I want to hear the words prosecution, conviction and prison.for the perps and their abettors.
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It's not clear to me what the timeline is for these events, but Pennsylvania has statute of limitations on prosecution if the victim is over the age of 50.
 
Interesting attitude..

Cardinal Sergio Obeso Rivera, the former Archbishop of Xalapa, Mexico, has said that men who accuse Catholic priests of sexual abuse should be conscious of their own failings.
https://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=38226

DUBLIN-Swimming against the tide of promises to crack down on abuse and cover-up led by Pope Francis, a newly created Mexican cardinal said that some accusers should be “ashamed” to point their finger at clerics because many of them have skeletons in their own closets.

The victims of pedophilia who “accuse men of the Church should [be careful] because they have long tails that are easily stepped on,” said Cardinal Sergio Obeso Rivera.
https://cruxnow.com/church-in-the-a...ld-think-about-skeletons-in-their-own-closet/
 
ilovepaydays said:
So.....this bombshell dropped last night

Ex-nuncio Vigano’s testimony

I’m not Catholic, so I don’t know all of how their church works, but if this is true - should Francis survive this?

It also makes me wonder more about Benedict XVI’s resignation......
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I wonder about all of this as well. But I also have to question Vigano's motives, and read there are some inconsistencies in his letter. I like Francis, but if he knew and covered up this bit with McCarrick, that's bad. And the comments by Rivera are disgusting.
 
Not that I'm sticking up for Pope Francis, but he shouldn't be the one that takes all the heat for this. All of them should, every last cardinal, bishop etc. And Vigano's testimony? Shut up.
 
pat c said:
Not that I'm sticking up for Pope Francis, but he shouldn't be the one that takes all the heat for this.
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With all due respect, the fish rots from the head. He has not apologised for the cover-up of crimes against children and women that was directed on a worldwide scale. This is why people are angry. He had ample opportunity to apologise for the church’s behaviour during his visit to Ireland last weekend. He failed to do so.

Among the things he did say:

- he said he had never heard about the Magdalene laundries here despite the fact he met Magdalene laundry survivor Philomena Lee in 2014.
- he described one survivor of abuse who was part of a Vatican commission as “fixated”
- he told journalists that parents whose children come out as gay should take them to psychiatrists. This has since been removed from the press conference transcript.

DO NOT BE FOOLED. HE IS AS BAD AS THE REST OF THEM.
 
With all due respect, the fish rots from the head. He has not apologised for the cover-up of crimes against children and women that was directed on a worldwide scale. This is why people are angry. He had ample opportunity to apologise for the church’s behaviour during his visit to Ireland last weekend. He failed to do so.

Among the things he did say:

- he said he had never heard about the Magdalene laundries here despite the fact he met Magdalene laundry survivor Philomena Lee in 2014.
- he described one survivor of abuse who was part of a Vatican commission as “fixated”
- he told journalists that parents whose children come out as gay should take them to psychiatrists. This has since been removed from the press conference transcript.

DO NOT BE FOOLED. HE IS AS BAD AS THE REST OF THEM.
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He also recently refused to apologize for the atrocities committed by the CC at Residential Schools in Canada.

I have appreciated all your comments on this thread @allezfred. I have very little hate in my heart, but I can say most of it is aimed at this horrible paternalistic organization, particularly for the damage it did for so long in my birth province of Québec, personally seen through the lives of my aunt and grandmother.
 
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I'm not disagreeing with either of you. And I agree Desperado, the Catholic church did no favors in Quebec or with Indigenous people in Canada. The CC was let off the hook as far as restitution and apologies with the previous govt in Canada. I'd like to see a lot of money change hands, a lot of crow being eaten, and the CC gutted and revamped. But I doubt if that will happen.
 
The Catholic Church does not get how angry even ordinary catholics in Ireland are and they are completely out of touch.

http://www.thejournal.ie/pope-francis-poll-4205314-Aug2018/?amp=1

In all, 55% of those polled said they didn’t think the pope had gone far enough on the issue of child sex abuse, 31% said he had, and 14% said they had no opinion.

When asked if the papal visit had changed their opinion of the church, 5% said it had a lot, 15% said it somewhat had, and 80% said it hadn’t at all.

Of those polled, 67% described themselves as Catholic. On the question of if priests should be allowed to marry, 90% said they should, 86% said women should be allowed to be priests and 92% said contraception should be available in all circumstances.

Further questions asked if abortion should be allowed in a wide range of circumstances (53% agreed, and 41% disgareed) and if gay and lesbian marriages should be recognised by the church (77% agreed they should, and 16% disagreed).
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allezfred said:
.Among the things he did say:

- he said he had never heard about the Magdalene laundries here despite the fact he met Magdalene laundry survivor Philomena Lee in 2014.
- he described one survivor of abuse who was part of a Vatican commission as “fixated”
- he told journalists that parents whose children come out as gay should take them to psychiatrists. This has since been removed from the press conference transcript.
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That’s all very disappointing. That last point, though, is surprising given some of his previous statements. Could there have been an error in the original transcript? Sigh.
 
pat c said:
Not that I'm sticking up for Pope Francis, but he shouldn't be the one that takes all the heat for this. All of them should, every last cardinal, bishop etc. And Vigano's testimony? Shut up.
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He also authorised a $200,000 a week QC to defend Cardinal Pell, who damn well knew about everything that went down here as well as being one of the rockspiders himself it seems.

Francis is neck-deep in this evil with everyone else.
 
I obviously didn't make my post clear..........I mean that Pope Francis isn't the only one who should take the heat - they all should. Even those who didn't condone the abuse did nothing to stop it. All of them are guilty.
 
This is all so normal to me that it's sad :(. At least five priests who taught me, including two who sat in my living room, are in prison. Being touched inappropriately was just part of growing up, and when it starts young, you honestly don't know any better. I was really lucky, a combination of too nerdy and too opinionated / outspoken to be preyed upon beyond the icky touching that we all got. Many of my friends were molested. My mother was molested (according to her sisters, who witnessed it - she would never talk about it). My grandmother's siblings were almost all molested. It was a sick rite of passage for generations.

allezfred said:
The Catholic Church does not get how angry even ordinary catholics in Ireland are and they are completely out of touch.
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The one good thing about it is that I think it showed just how fallible the church is. I wonder if the Irish referenda on equal marriage and abortion would have gone the same way without this scandal. Maybe they would have, and it would've been closer. In my own very Catholic family, I only started to see views shift (from Neanderthal to slightly less Neanderthal) after these scandals. Many in my family still believe "our" priests are innocent :rolleyes:, even if they are willing to believe other priests are guilty.
 
BTW - it is not just the priests.....nuns too.
We handled the documents in all three California Clergy Cases. Jaw dropping.

One of the actions was in the church I went to as a child.

My aunt, a devout Catholic doesn't believe any of it happened.

BTW - infallable is an interesting choice of words. I would use corrupt.
 
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