The Mao cheer thread #3 - "For the love of skating"

Thanks to yhma fan for this information and partial translation.
According to the article,

Mao said that (considering the injury of her left knee) at this point, she still isn’t confident if it’s the proper timing to challenge difficult jumps,
but she is willing to do a 3A and 3-3 at the next GP (France).

Oh Mao, recovery the first. do not be so hard on yourself
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In putting another part of the article into translation, it seems there is some doubt about the strategy of upping the tech content, though the meaning is quite garbled and I can't be sure.

translation: There is also a possibility that the pain of the knee wiil go away then it is possible to challenge these jumps, but Mao did not know really whether this was bad or good. Half and half."


I hope that those watching will realize the condition Mao is in and consider it during her performances. I wonder if she is thinking that if she doesn't try to put these jumps in she won't have practice and preparation for Nationals, but if does it is also risky given her left knee pain. As Coach Sato also said he was concerned that if she took time off she may not ever come back and it seemed that Coach Sato didn't want to prevent Mao from skating if she was intent on doing it. I hope I am reading the situation correctly and I dearly hope that Mao's plan is successful.

I am still curious as to why Mao was perspiring so heavily and how much of a role this played in her jumping mistakes since she is likely to never say. Perhaps it made it more difficult for her to concentrate since she seemed to be sick.



Here is another comment and translation of part of the article by cohkaix. Thanks to cohkaix.
According to the article,
According to another article (towards the end)

Mao was quoted that:'Usually with a 6th place finish (you) don't get invited (to Ex/gala), (but since invited, I'd) want to present good skating to show my appreciation.'

She's such a humble person... and her integrity and dedication to the sport don't really deserve the low-balled scoring and those fake criticisms from random FS fans.
 
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Once Mao dose something, lots of info come up at a time, and it's tough for me to find out which one is reliable. I looked around for a while and picked some for letting this thread updated.

Aside from knee pain which's already reported, I think stamina was the biggest issue at SKAM after all. Let me translate what Junko Yagi said in this clip.

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/790214445863620612/pu/vid/1280x720/lsfpy39PuzaffYAX.mp4
(my rough translation)
Junko Yaginuma(Olympian): Since her knee was not in desirable condition, probably she's regulated her preparation for this competition even though she wanted to do more. She must have a big dilemma.
...(replay of her FS)...
JY: Don't worry. She's OK. When you are injured, you can't do the same amount of run-throughs as you usually do. As a result you can't build up your stamina. That said, this issue will be solved if you pile up your training. So, don't worry. I do wish she'll not strain herself! Since her biggest stage is PyeonChang Olys!!
Mao: In the second half of the [long] program where I felt fatigue, I lost my rhythm. I still have long way to go.

ETA:
See how much sweat she had after finishing her long program at SKAM. Mao used to be known as a skater with great stamina and rare to have much sweat at competitions.
https://youtu.be/1JgJtY4f70g?t=285
 
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I've finally caught up with Mao's SKAM performances and my oh my that EX. It's even more beautiful than when she first showed it to us in The Ice. I was close to tears just watching it.

So I've got a terrible memory. Does anyone know if she went to a training camp this year? I think she's done it in the past to help with her stamina? Yes, it is is rare to see her sweat so much.
 
Article which has Mr Sato's reaction after FS.
http://zasshi.news.yahoo.co.jp/article?a=20161024-00826745-number-spo&p=3
(my rough translation)

"I'm lacking run-throughs," Asada expressed her feelings
Asada appeared in a sexy red dress. The dress is for her long program to an orchestral version of Ritual Dance by Falla.

She landed an easy 2A and a following 3F-2Lo. Her choreo-seq including a spiral was awesome. The audience applauded. But she melted down in the second half. She piled up mistakes on jumps. After FS Asada talked:

"Looking back [my FS], I feel I still have a long way to go. I couldn't keep my good rhythm nor timing in the second half where I felt fatigue. I need to pile up more run-throughs."

"Asada is improving," stated Mr Sato
Asada talked only about things that she should have done better, but Mr Sato's comment was different, "In the first half I thought things were going well for the first time in a while." He emphasized there was a good sign of her rebound despite they regulated her training to avoid her knee pain's coming back.

Regarding Asada's comment that she didn't know why she received Lv3 for her step sequences in both SP and FS Mr Sato analyzed the reason was her movements became smaller than usual due to lack of stamina. Aside from jumps Mr Sato gushed about her expressions "How wonderful she is! I appreciate [her expressions.] She is clearly improving in the area."

Considering her physical conditions it's rather lucky for her that she placed 6th in this competition and her chance to win a spot for the final got very small as the result.

The point must be running toward the second half of the season paying attention not to aggravating her knee pain.
 
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I've finally caught up with Mao's SKAM performances and my oh my that EX. It's even more beautiful than when she first showed it to us in The Ice. I was close to tears just watching it.

So I've got a terrible memory. Does anyone know if she went to a training camp this year? I think she's done it in the past to help with her stamina? Yes, it is is rare to see her sweat so much.

To put it more directly than I did above, I and quite a few others who have posted comments believe that Mao was sick during her Skate America LP performance and that this is what caused her to perspire so much. The only other times I have seen her perspire this much is after the NHK LP 2015 and the Grand Prix Final LP 2015 and both times she was sick, though she
Article which has Mr Sato's reaction after FS.
http://zasshi.news.yahoo.co.jp/article?a=20161024-00826745-number-spo&p=3
(my rough translation)

"I'm lacking run-throughs," Asada expressed her feelings
Asada appeared in a sexy red dress. The dress is for her long program to an orchestral version of Ritual Dance by Falla.

She landed an easy 2A and a following 3F-2Lo. Her choreo-seq including a spiral was awesome. The audience applauded. But she melted down in the second half. She pilled up mistakes on jumps. After FS Asada talked:

"Looking back [my FS], I feel I still have a long way to go. I couldn't find my rhythm nor timing in the second half where I felt fatigue. I need to pile up more run-throughs."

"Asada is improving," stated Mr Sato
Asada talked only about things that she should have done better, but Mr Sato's comment was different, "In the first half I thought things were going well for the first time in a while." He emphasized there was a good sign of her rebound despite they regulated her training to avoid her knee pain's coming back.

On Asada's comment that she didn't know why she received Lv3 for her step sequences in both SP and FS, Mr Sato analyzed the reason was her movements became smaller than usual due to lack of stamina. Aside from jumps Mr Sato gushed about her expressions "How wonderful she is! I appreciate [her expressions.] She is clearly improving in the area."

Considering her physical conditions it's rather lucky for her that she placed 6th in this competition and her chance to win a spot for the final as the result.

The point must be running toward the second half of the season paying attention not to aggravating her knee pain.

Thank you for the translation of comments by Mao and Coach Sato. I have to admit I get a bit emotional talking about Mao's skating and what she is currently facing. Here is what I think.

In my view and in many other comments I have read, Mao's step sequence was one of the best we had ever seen from her. I think it deserved level 4 with a high GOE in both the SP and LP. To me, there is simply nobody who moves as fluidly as she does, while covering so much of the rink so quickly and gracefully with such effortless dancing moves as her blades glide smoothly across the ice. Both step sequences had such a profound effect on me that it has become a ritual experience of enjoyment to become immersed in them through repeated .

I feel that Mao was unlucky in the sense that she was underscored which is in accord with the comments I have read from very many others. This video, for example, has many comments expressing the sentiment that her PCS scores are too low in her LP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BZjfIg5BZ8

I feel the same about what I see as the excessively harsh ur calls on the triple flip in the SP (as others have mentioned) and the triple lutz in the LP both of which looked to have more than the required 2 1/4 rotations in the air with Mao taking off with less than 180 degrees of pre-rotation. Besides, they were also given negative GOE even with the ur and nice height and posture, especially the triple flip in the SP. In my view to be accurate, take off and landing position should be calculated in total rotation, which they currently aren't, so those with over 180-270 degrees of pre-rotation are continuing to receive an unfair advantage because they do not have to rotate nearly as much. Besides, the whole concept of a ur is flawed only looking at the landing because without measuring the jump from take off to landing a ur call is mathematically inaccurate, yet slashes huge amounts off scores: almost 7 points from Mao's total score.

In this video, many posters express the same sentiment about Mao being underscored in the SP in PCS and overall: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIRVt0JXftI

I know what Nationals means to Mao, and to those like me who want to continue to see the inexpressible beauty and overwhelming emotion she portrays so dramatically in her skating. She is a rare jewel whose inspiration shines brightly. So, I feel it is important to point out all these things and to give her a defense because of all the inspiration she has given to me and because despite her mistakes, a huge host of those from all over the globe including me feel the quality of her skating is incomparable, irreplaceable and unjustly "rewarded" in scores. That said, I hope Mao will take care of herself first and only skate if she feels healthy and happy about it.
 
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To put it more directly than I did above, I and quite a few others who have posted comments believe that Mao was sick during her Skate America LP performance and that this is what caused her to perspire so much. The only other times I have seen her perspire this much is after the NHK LP 2015 and the Grand Prix Final LP 2015 and both times she was sick, though she


In my view and in many other comments I have read, Mao's step sequence was one of the best we had ever seen from her. I think it deserved level 4 with a high GOE in both the SP and LP. To me, there is simply nobody who moves as fluidly and effortlessly across the ice as she does while covering so much of the rink so quickly and gracefully. Both step sequences had such a profound effect on me that it has become a ritual experience of enjoyment to become immersed in them through repeated viewings.

Hope she takes better care of herself. It's great to see her fight but I'm more worried about her health.
 
Article which has Mr Sato's reaction after FS.
http://zasshi.news.yahoo.co.jp/article?a=20161024-00826745-number-spo&p=3
(my rough translation)

"I'm lacking run-throughs," Asada expressed her feelings
Asada appeared in a sexy red dress. The dress is for her long program to an orchestral version of Ritual Dance by Falla.

She landed an easy 2A and a following 3F-2Lo. Her choreo-seq including a spiral was awesome. The audience applauded. But she melted down in the second half. She pilled up mistakes on jumps. After FS Asada talked:

"Looking back [my FS], I feel I still have a long way to go. I couldn't keep my good rhythm nor timing in the second half where I felt fatigue. I need to pile up more run-throughs."

"Asada is improving," stated Mr Sato
Asada talked only about things that she should have done better, but Mr Sato's comment was different, "In the first half I thought things were going well for the first time in a while." He emphasized there was a good sign of her rebound despite they regulated her training to avoid her knee pain's coming back.

On Asada's comment that she didn't know why she received Lv3 for her step sequences in both SP and FS, Mr Sato analyzed the reason was her movements became smaller than usual due to lack of stamina. Aside from jumps Mr Sato gushed about her expressions "How wonderful she is! I appreciate [her expressions.] She is clearly improving in the area."

Considering her physical conditions it's rather lucky for her that she placed 6th in this competition and her chance to win a spot for the final got very small as the result.

The point must be running toward the second half of the season paying attention not to aggravating her knee pain.

Thank you for constantly updating us with your translations! That is very much appreciated :) .
 
:( still should've been 9's, maybe Raf could scare them. If Rafael Arutyunyan says you deserve a 9, even with a fall, I dare any judge to disobey. It's the least he could do.

I'm just happy to see such detailed and beautiful ladies skating, jumps will always be in this sport but the other qualities Mao offers will not. She had the most enjoyable skating at SA IMO.

@rosewood the new avatar is fierce. :cool:
 
Mao was quoted that:'Usually with a 6th place finish (you) don't get invited (to Ex/gala), (but since invited, I'd) want to present good skating to show my appreciation.'

You can't help but love Mao with comments like these. I remember TAT saying after her free in Boston that it's impossible not to love Mao because she doesn't belong to a certain country but rather she belongs to the figure skating world.

That exhibition was my the highlight of Skate America for me. I'm quite happy that the audience showed her the respect she deserved for putting out such a difficult program.
 
:( still should've been 9's, maybe Raf could scare them. If Rafael Arutyunyan says you deserve a 9, even with a fall, I dare any judge to disobey. It's the least he could do.

I'm just happy to see such detailed and beautiful ladies skating, jumps will always be in this sport but the other qualities Mao offers will not. She had the most enjoyable skating at SA IMO.

@rosewood the new avatar is fierce. :cool:


I noticed when Mao came off the ice after her SA LP, Raf was looking over at her very attentively, as if he wished he could go over and give her a hug. I think he still cares a lot about Mao and her skating.
 
Mao’s Cello Suite is a journey to the sublime where twirling pirouettes and fine bladed footwork glide into the fluidity and idyllic positions in her illusion and I spins, as the butterfly lightness and grace in her soft flowing arms conduct every motion with an irresistible charm.
 
Here's a clip of Mao commenting after finishing Gala. As far as I know this is the latest comment from her so far. I'm already sleepy today, so I'll post my translation tomorrow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHBKh7LdRvw&feature=youtu.be
(my rough translation)

Q: What is the theme of the exhibition program for this season which you just skated?
Mao: It's to Bach's music. The program opens with compulsory patterns which is the very basic of figure skating. Historical basics are important and I love them. My program begins with this point. And then, freely, with doing nostalgic steps, the program progresses toward today.

Q: What thoughts do you put into this program?
Mao: Skating this program itself is like training. Today we are doing current figure skating, but, when I'm skating this program, I keep respects for historical skating in my mind.

Q: You just finished the gala. Looking back SKAM, what was the impression of this competition?
Mao: Lots of thoughts came to my mind last night. I must not stay as I am now. I made a decision to make a comeback. It was for showing my best performance at the end of my career. I need to be prepared for making it happen. Since it's still the very early stage of the season... That said, to be honest, I should not be spoiled with it. I wish I'll be in my top form as soon as possible, even at my next competition Trophy de France. I'll start my training right after getting back home.

---(Cello Suit)--

Q:What will work on from now?
Mao: Just jumps. I can't make anything happen when I can't nail my jumps. It's not just 3A that I'm talking about. I made mistakes on other jumps too. It shows where I am at this point. But I think what I could do in the past is not impossible to do today. I won't give up and continue working on them.

Q: You have two weeks till your next competition Trophy de France. What kind of training will you pile up?
Mao: Humm... No matter what. I've got to do it. I'll do every practice with my full force, one by one.

Q: You had a long discussion with Mr Sato after finishing FS last night. What did you talk about? Please tell as as much as you can.
Mao: Sensei told me that at this competition there were good points about my skating too. That said, we talked that I need to pull my level up surely. To do so, I'll do one by one practice with my full force. Each practice can be a short one. We'll not drag a long practice. I'll be focused in each one as if it's a competition.

Q: You two agreed with each other regarding that point?
Mao: Yes. Other than that, we agreed that we'll work on more details. Of course I'll work on under rotations too. Here I found out the reason why I lost the level in my step sequences. So the point in my stsq will be cleared.

Q: Can you tell me more about the point?
Mao: I need to execute various elements to receive levels in my stseq. I lost the level due to one element that I didn't execute clearly. For solving the problem I'll add an extra element as a sub. Or the position, there is a difficulty for me to find the position to do my steps at this point. So I'll use left or right space to do my elements clearly. So I'll make some changes to my stsq.
(*I'm not sure about what she exactly meant about the point regarding the position during her stsq. My translation of that part can be wrong.)
 
@rosewood You asked about my impressions of Mao at Skate America.

You can read my thoughts here, in this blog post: http://bit.ly/2eRsw4z.

(Basically I go on & on about Mao's skating, like the uber I am. :-))
Claire, your writing about Mao is wonderful. Indeed she could be the inspiration for the title of your blog. I do have one quibble, namely, your mention of her physical troubles as unconfirmed. I dont know about her back problem - I only recall gotoschool speculating on that - but her continuing pain from a knee injury last season was confirmed by Mao herself in her interview with TSL at SA as well as by Mr Sato repeatedly - see post 247 above. It has forced her to limit her practice time. In light of that, her determination to up her tech content at her next event (post 257) is a little scary.
 
Claire, your writing about Mao is wonderful. Indeed she could be the inspiration for the title of your blog. I do have one quibble, namely, your mention of her physical troubles as unconfirmed. I dont know about her back problem - I only recall gotoschool speculating on that - but her continuing pain from a knee injury last season was confirmed by Mao herself in her interview with TSL at SA as well as by Mr Sato repeatedly - see post 247 above. It has forced her to limit her practice time. In light of that, her determination to up her tech content at her next event (post 257) is a little scary.
I can't speak for gotoschool, but I do recall reading about Mao having chronic pain in her lower back a few years ago (2013-14 season). I remember reading about it here and her fan forum (and maybe GS as well). I dug around a bit and found this post in a previous thread from that time:

The Mao cheer thread ---"After finishing the season I could truly say figure skating is wonderful."

I don't know if she is still having issues with her back now, though. I was only aware of the knee injury being somewhat current.
 
I heard someone mention that Mao was seen holding her back during practice of the SP during the Finlandia Trophy and I was at the practice for her LP and she didn't practice any spins, so that's why I mentioned her back issues. But, the left knee injury affects her performances a lot more. I admit I am concerned about Mao upping her tech content as well, but I admire her for being such a brave and noble warrior going into battle wounded with overly strict scoring when she has nothing left to prove.

Here is an interesting question posed by yhma, which LP costume do you prefer? https://65.media.tumblr.com/a68bf99ea6f2f093df9cc4b3ad88cd43/tumblr_ofmxbxpXai1vucczao1_540.jpg

I prefer the one on the left, which Mao wore at Finlandia, because since it is a fire dance I like the way the flames leap out from the sides. It's just a more fiery and passionate design. Plus, I like the way the illusion fabric matches Mao's skin color more in the first costume. The second one looks nice too though.
 
I have a feeling the illusion fabric color is the same and just looks different in different light or camera settings. (Speaking as one who has taken over 1000 pix in the last few weeks - never mnd why but trust me, light and settings change everything.) I also say that because in a recent article about Mirai's costume designer it said she had a jar of dye marked Mirai that she always uses for the illusion fabric. Surely Mao's does too. Anyway, I didnt even notice the dress change. I like them both. The one on the right is bolder, but the one on the left is more original and fire-like, as you said, plus she got better results with it and we know these things matter. :)
 
Thanks for the wonderful translation Rosewood as always.

That interview confirmed that Mao puts a lot of thought into her exhibitions. Some of her best exhibitions like Ballade and Jupiter are programs that I can watch over and over again. Michelle Kwan was the only other skater who had exhibitions of the same quality.
 
From what I can gather from google translate, this article posted 8 hours ago indicates that Mao departed for France, so I guess she will be arriving at any time. The article has a picture of Mao with a mask and a cap trying to be incognito and from what I can get from google translate she didn't respond to questions, although I am not sure about this. I wish her all the best in giving great performances. It is always a great pleasure to watch her uniquely beautiful and soulful skating.

http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/new...013690930.html
 
Copying my translation of Mr Sato's article where he mentioned about Mao, Lori and John Curry. I understood how Mr Sato loves compulsory figures. And maybe I can say the same about Mao and Lori Nichol. Please read this article, guys.

I love this article from Nobuo Sato about his love for skating skills and compulsory figures. He mentioned about John Curry and Lori Nichol too.

Nobuo Sato with 50 years of coaching experience talks about "The awesome skills which was handed down to Mao Asada"
(My rough translation)

1990 was the last year when competitions had compulsory figures. After eliminating compulsory figures from competitions, medal contenders for 1991 Worlds changed drastically. It pushed skaters who can do jumps up to the top contenders. And it made a 180-degree-change happen in the history of figure skating. Taking it into considerations, maybe it is no exaggerations to say figure skating of the days when compulsory figures remained strong and the current figure skating are totally different sports.

That said, I think it's safe to say compulsory figures are one of the essential training for improving in "skating" skills.

Can you draw a circle and come back to the exact place where you started? How do you make it? Skating needs the skills you used here. While compulsory figures disappeared from current competitions, it won't be changed permanently that knowing school figures is helpful for you.

It's not serious compulsory figures where skaters drew circles in old days but it's more like introducing "compulsory figures" by requiring skaters to do complicated steps and tell "Learn this and that edge works and turns." This is today's free skating.

Actually there are coaches who acquired good skills in compulsory figures. They surely teach compulsory figures to their students even if not much. In Japan there still remain compulsory figures in "badge test" (a qualification test from level 1 to 8 which are required for participating in competitions) where skaters are required to draw a semi-circle (skating on one foot and drawing a half circle) and do change-edges and various turns within the semi-circle.

I sometimes feel skaters who acquired good skills in compulsory figures are pushing up the level of skating. Using accurate edges gives a birth to a clean arc. I don't mean the beauty appears in a trace but I mean the beauty appears in the movements. Such movements are very accurate and very beautiful. Those beautiful movements with no useless power should be remained, I believe.

That being said, while I keep my thoughts in my mind, if I'm asked "How much will it be reflected in scores under current rules?", my answer will be "almost zero." No matter who says what, skaters who do jumps will win. Then the story goes like "Don't waste your time for working on compulsory figures and try one more jump instead."

In current competitions difficult jumps and excellent jumps are shown one after another and it became the main stream of deciding who wins. This phenomenon is the result of eliminating compulsory figures from competitions and at the same time it is one of the reasons why figure skating drew world wide popularity. So it can't be helped.

That said, the essence of figure skating will never be changed. I believe we should not leave skating skills forgotten. How wonderful it will be if a skater does cluster turns with accurate and beautiful edge works! I'll be thrilled. I have strong feelings in my mind that I want to hand down the skills such as "You need to use your upper body in this way for doing accurate and beautiful edge works" to next generation or the one after the next.

To me skating is something smooth to the end of the world. It's smooth and fluid, and never be forcible with useless power, it should be smooooooth, just like being pulled by someone under the ice. This is my ideal. I keep my ideal in my mind and talk to everyone around me "Let's challenge it!"

When a skater looks like just simply "skating", s/he is using skills. Put your weight on your left foot, for example. If you stretch your left knee, of course your center of gravity goes up. The slight stretch of your knee will naturally make you glide forward smoothly. On the moment you may have an intention to push the ice. Or you may just keep your knee stretched to prepare for a next movement. Such difference makes a surprisingly huge gap of speed in 5, 10 or 15 strokes. Even when a skater looks like just simply skating, skills are needed for skating.

Seeing someone skates with feeling the difference of every stroke one by one makes me thrilled and I can't help but saying "What a wonderful skater!" to myself. Among current top skaters Carolina Kostner is one of the skaters I feel attracted to. She's such a skillful skater.

Also I felt "Wow How skillful Mao Asada's skating is!" once again when I saw her at this year's THE ICE. The direction of her skating may be a bit different from Kostner's and she has her own excellence.

There was a certain kind of turns that she showed in her exhibition program at the show. It reminded me of John Curry's first ever ice show as a pro-skater held in New York long ago. In the dark at the rink there was only one spotlight. He appeared in the spotlight from nowhere. Then he skated around the rink a few times and showed the turns of the kind which Mao did in her exhibition program.

Lori Nichol is the one who once learned skating under Curry and she's a choreographer of Mao. Curry told Lori to work on compulsory figures all the way. Some of what Curry taught to her are handed down to Mao. They are connected. Curry is such a great skater. What he taught to his student is handed down to a student of his student and what he taught is handed down through generations. Curry left a talent who is Lori. And the talent is choreographing programs for world's top level skaters.

I heard good reputations for Mao's exhibition program of this season as innovative and challenging. Since I've seen that kind of program from 1972, I'm not sure her program is actually innovative. What I can say is it's great to have someone in the current field who can do something close to the skating of old days. Especially, her steps in the end of the program is so skillful and I think you may say that's simply awesome.

For compulsory figures you need everything of knee bent and stretch, swings of your free leg, where to put your upper body's weight, and so on. After all compulsory figures are what a skater's body memorized, or in other words it's skater's sensitivity itself.

So, it's tough to teach it to someone else. We coaches try our best in teaching by words. Then we sometimes receive reactions like "And what happens?" from our students. It makes us feel "Done." No way we can say how much our students will be reworded in their scores by working on compulsory figures.

Finally I have a thing that I want to say. It doesn't mean you are unable to skate even if you can't do compulsory figures. While, if you have knowledge and skills in compulsory figures, surely it will be very helpful for your skating now and forever.

_________

I loved to read Mr Sato saying he understands to the hell that jumps are important to win and he repeats "that said" "that said" :lol: "compulsory figures are very helpful for you." I kind of understood what Mao and Mr Sato are aiming to show in competitions. Fingers crossed for Mao's recovery from an injury in her left knee and she'll show her best performance before she retires.

Mao's EX number which is mentioned in the article:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPPAArR6HCU

Are there anyone who saw the John Curry's ice show held in New York? If so, please tell me which program he skated there. I'd love to see a video of the performance!
 
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