The Dance Hall 11: Movin' On Up 2023-2024

[Marta24]

Cimlova/Cirisano have split up

https://twitter.com/AnythingGOE/status/1705178553065648507?t=hpxQxlYR3e7IvF8dnS9-aA&s=19

 

[Andrea82]

Callers this week
Budapest: Julia Rey, Marie Bowness, Fabrizio Pedrazzini
Nebelhorn: Ingrid Charlotte Wolter (ID technical committee member), Marie-Louise Gijtenbeek, Anna Cappellini

Last minute change at Nebelhorn Trophy...Cappellini MIA and Hilary Selby stepped in. And the wave of Base Level on the pattern joined in too.
9 out of 14 entries. And only one team reached Level 2.
For comparison, at Lombardia Trophy (Halina Gordon-Poltorak, Francesca Fermi and Maria Tumanovskaya in the technical panel), only 3 out of 15 teams received Base Level. Two Level 3 and eight Level 2.
And at Autumn Classics (Julia Rey, Kristy Balkwill and Galit Chait), only 1 Base level out of 9 teams. Two got Level 3 and two achieved Level 2.

 

[Karen-W]

Yet, conveniently, FearGib got a level 2 on their pattern step...

 

[Immortelle]

Can we please stop the Fear/Gibson bashing? It’s getting tedious.

 

[angi]

It's the second week in a row of beyond questionable ice dance judging, if this trend continues this will be an interesting (and more frustrating than usual) season...

 

[Wyliefan]

U.S. ice dance just keeps getting shock after shock lately. Either shockingly high or shockingly low.

 

[angi]

U.S. ice dance just keeps getting shock after shock lately. Either shockingly high or shockingly low.

The US judge put M/S 4.5 points above C/P so I'll go with shockingly low

https://twitter.com/x/status/1705264001335103576

 

[Cayuse]

U.S. ice dance just keeps getting shock after shock lately. Either shockingly high or shockingly low.

Hopefully, the teams are learning something from their feedback. Lots to work on!

 

[Wyliefan]

The US judge put M/S 4.5 points above C/P so I'll go with shockingly low

I mean, that's just bonkers.

 

[marbri]

I saw this linked elsewhere and had to share:

https://twitter.com/throwquads/status/1705254630307910086

 

[Holy Headband]

F/G were already overscored to high heaven before they started working with her.

 

[On My Own]

I saw this linked elsewhere and had to share:

https://twitter.com/throwquads/status/1705254630307910086

oh look i'm off ice dance permanently

 

[layman]

I agree that Fear and Gibson were horribly overscored (especially in the RD) but I must give credit where credit is due...it looks to me like they have re-worked their FD (from the first time I saw it) and added a lot more technical complexity and difficulty (especially in the footwork and lifts). So, technically I see improvements. Artistically, the FD is still one long gimmick. I don't think the program sustains my interest over the length of it. To me the gimmick got old after the 1st minute.

 

[manhn]

I am OBSESSED with the Danadians’ Top Gun photoshoot. Is there a new judging category for hotness?

 

[Colonel Green]

I am OBSESSED with the Danadians’ Top Gun photoshoot. Is there a new judging category for hotness?

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[Rukia]

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photographer doing the lord's work

 

[Colonel Green]

photographer doing the lord's work

Saulius has to pay the bills somehow.

 

[Rukia]

Saulius has to pay the bills somehow.

lol I didn't even notice that he took them bless him

 

[kwanfan1818]

lol I didn't even notice that he took them bless him

Look at the Instagram post: at the end they put the little photo icon and @'ed him. He lists "Photography hobbyist" in his profile.

We should all be so good at our hobbies.

 

[skatingguy]

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Whoa

 

[Spikefan]

The photoshoot is a bit cheesy but it is the level of cheese I enjoy (unlike a certain Rocky program). Plus that’s three very good looking people at that photo shoot.

 

[Karen-W]

Okay, so, seriously... one has to really wonder what's up with Team KoKo. They're not on the entries for Budapest Trophy either.

I suppose Japan can put the new dance team of Tanaka/Nishimaya in their spot at NHK if KoKo has some sort of injury and WD.

ETA - also... here's their RD debut at Souvenir Georges Ethier - not sure IAM hit it out of the park with this "Mario" program. And it certainly wouldn't score 70+ at a Challenger or GP.

https://instagram.com/stories/skatejapanews/3198304381411918769?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

 

[Rukia]

Okay, so, seriously... one has to really wonder what's up with Team KoKo. They're not on the entries for Budapest Trophy either.

Tim posted a vid of them on the ice and Misato posted about being ready for the season to start both within the last week or two, so idk what is going on but I agree it's super strange.

 

[Dobre]

Bunch of random thoughts after catching up on the Autumn Classic & Nebelhorn. (Still partway through JGP Budapest).

*These are not meant to be a list of complaints. More a snapshot of thoughts early on in the season.

1. Osaka was the best dance event of the past two weeks for me. Unpredictable. Stacked with good and/or interesting junior teams. Bunch of teams skated up to the moment.

2. Spiridinov got both sets of twizzles at Nebelhorn. First time I can recall seeing that happen. This only a week after Tkachenko got both of hers. Kudos to both because this has taken some time.

3. Kazakova & Reviya's RD. I don't get it. Still seems overscored to me. They looked more confident with it this past week, but I still find the program meh. Too much pointing & busy choreography rather than movement that expresses a unique program. McNamara & Spiridinov's RD has the same issue (though better music, IMO).

4. Reed & Ambrulevicius. Welcome to the Jungle. LOL. I didn't even recognize them for the first 30 seconds or so. I'm open to the program. Need to watch it again.

5. The young Czechs did a nice job again. Lift in the RD was awkward, but going out there and having to skate in a final warm-up group in seniors your first season, it's a lot. They've stayed calm and are having a strong start.

6. Carreira & Ponomarenko got the credit they deserved for branching out in their FD. The RD isn't bad, but go ahead & learn from this. The RD program could use a bit more bang for its buck. I'd say take the notes and keep growing. (Also, note C/P finished 10 points above Fabbri & Ayer. Somehow no surprise. Was this because C/P's step sequence was suddenly better than at the Quebec event? Nope. It was because Fabbri & Ayer's step sequence suddenly wasn't miles better. Again, I don't think a surprise).

7. As for the Autumn Classic, once again, there's no point in comparing scores from different events. It was a weak field, through no fault of the teams that showed up. Thank you for the background on Lopareva & Brissaud's RD. I was going to ask for it. (I kind of wish this was their FD).

8. Oh, also this one really is a snark. Tim Dieck is not Elvis.

 

[Sylvia]

ETA - also... here's their RD debut at Souvenir Georges Ethier - not sure IAM hit it out of the park with this "Mario" program. And it certainly wouldn't score 70+ at a Challenger or GP.

Senior RD (70.08 in their debut) of Azusa Tanaka/Shingo Nishiyama (JPN): https://cssvideostreaming.blob.core...-7f8be68c0e04/video_3500000_1280x720_4500.mp4

 

[Sylvia]

ISU Communication No. 2569 was republished today (Sept. 27) - updates are in red: https://www.isu.org/inside-isu/isu-communications/communications/31370-isu-communication-2569/file

ISU Communication no. 2569 - ICE DANCE Requirements for Technical Rules with ongoing validity, effective July 1st, 2023 (published June 14; 28 pages): https://www.isu.org/inside-isu/isu-communications/communications/31370-isu-communication-2569/file

The 2023-24 Ice Dance Scale of Values document was published on May 31 (this ISU Communication 2564 replaces 2464): https://www.isu.org/inside-isu/isu-communications/communications/31294-isu-communication-2564/file

ETA:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1707138382483091964

 

[airgelaal]

ISU Communication No. 2569 was republished today (Sept. 27) - updates are in red: https://www.isu.org/inside-isu/isu-communications/communications/31370-isu-communication-2569/file

It’s good that they published this not before the WC...

 

[VGThuy]

Can somebody explain the changes? I’m reading them and I’m just still confused. How would this have affected CarPon?

 

[Sylvia]

I have no idea if there is a connection - here's what "the ice dance explained" account wrote about the changes: https://twitter.com/wtficedance/status/1707126254275596762

Revision to the ChRS as expected, prev. rules made it difficult to call teams for having performed the silver samba variation but had not fulfilled the main criteria. This is an improvement but w/out timing standardization I don’t think this format will work on complex patterns

Silver samba is nice because there’s a short closed hold section where the man and woman are doing different steps (one forward one backward) but they’re generally the same. The remaining 2/3 of the pattern are SBS & the partners have matching steps. It’s overall very repetitive.

For a pattern like tango romantica or golden waltz or finnstep where there’s large sections where the man & woman have very different timing & steps the “only one partner must do the pattern & continuity can switch & no timing restrictions” is gonna be impossible to fairly judge.

 

[Andrea82]

Tech panel at JGP this week is Marcin Kozubek, Olga Akimova and Benjamin Blum.

Akimova represents Ukraine now, she represented Uzbekistan when she was competing

Nepela Trophy have Halina Gordon Poltorak (Lombardia Trophy this year), Tomas Kika (JGP Osaka) and Maria Tumanovskaya (Lombardia Trophy).
I used to associate Kika with some generous scored B competitions (I remember a Mezzaluna Cup in which Kerry/Dodds looked like the kings of steps judging by the protocols).