The Carolina Kostner Thread

Yeah... she deserved SO from the whole arena after each of her performances... too bad it didn't happen...:blah:
 
I would really like her to end her career with two strong performances and another World title.
 
Ziggy said:
I would really like her to end her career with two strong performances and another World title.
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She will win a World Medal. :) For Sure. :) Her 4th world medal in a row. :) That's a fact. :)

OT: very curious to see whether Adelina will compete or not. The official competitors for Russia are Yulia n Anna, as of now; so it would be a bit... offensive at them. STILL, I would be VERY curious to hear Adelina's world score. :D
 
Ziggy said:
I would really like her to end her career with two strong performances and another World title.
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I loved Carolina's LP in Sochi.

But I do wonder why Mirai was criticized so much at US Natls for only doing 1/3 of the posing Carolina did in Sochi?
What a strange sport!

For that matter Yuna did mucho posing in Sochi as well.

Don't get me wrong, I think posing is OK. Just would like to see it treated equally which seems to be an impossibility in skating.
 
It's because instead of posing Mirai was doing cross-overs. I love her more than any US skater, but her choreography doesn't compare to Carolina or Yuna Kim no matter how much posing they did in their programs (it added to the overall picture and their use of upper-body movement made sense choreographically while posing). The cross-overs and actual skating without any nuance to the music (instead of mature nuanced posing or waving at the judges) counts more for the skating skills mark than the choreography mark.
 
MrLucky said:
I loved Carolina's LP in Sochi.

But I do wonder why Mirai was criticized so much at US Natls for only doing 1/3 of the posing Carolina did in Sochi?
What a strange sport!

For that matter Yuna did mucho posing in Sochi as well.

Don't get me wrong, I think posing is OK. Just would like to see it treated equally which seems to be an impossibility in skating.
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Because Kostner's posing had choreographic purpose. It was in character of and in time to the music.
 
Karpenko said:
It's because instead of posing Mirai was doing cross-overs. I love her more than any US skater, but her choreography doesn't compare to Carolina or Yuna Kim no matter how much posing they did in their programs (it added to the overall picture and their use of upper-body movement made sense choreographically while posing). The cross-overs and actual skating without any nuance to the music (instead of mature nuanced posing or waving at the judges) counts more for the skating skills mark than the choreography mark.
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Which is sad because Mirai has the ability to handle good choreography.

Here's hoping Caro goes out on a high note.
 
Marco said:
In the proper universe, she delivered three perfect performances at the Olympics and should have won the OGM and called it a career.
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I've re watched her performances so many times. I can't watch any videos from the Olympics now because they make me feel sick to the stomach. She should have won the short by 4/5 points and won the LP with far better PCS too. The result is, and will always be a disgrace. I'm still refusing to watch worlds :drama:
 
Marco said:
In the proper universe, she delivered three perfect performances at the Olympics and should have won the OGM and called it a career.
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Because the judges aren't reflecting the PCS differences in the marks appropriately but instead are tieing them largely to what the skaters performed technically, we get shit results like that.

Kostner should have had a substantial advantage over Kim and a HUGE advantage over Sotnikova on the PCS in Sochi. :(

To me, she was the clear winner and this result continues to pain me even more than Hughes' victory.
 
Same here. With Adelina's victory, the standard for choreography and interpretation has been set incredibly low. I fear these aspects of our sport will soon go the way of dance in gymnastics.
 
I really felt she should won as well--I think her PCS advantage should have been enough for her to overcome the TES deficit. I really believe she should have won every category of the PCS. Her mad blade skills just allow her to express in a way others can't. And what she does with her body...I feel like every gesture, every movement has meaning. Her Ave Maria was transcendent and her Bolero was just...no words. She is a true master of the blade and combines that with a deep understanding for musical phrase and nuance. I will always remember her Olympic performances as some of the best ever and I have faith she can make magic again at Worlds.

and thanks for the link, museksk8r!
 
Ziggy said:
Because the judges aren't reflecting the PCS differences in the marks appropriately but instead are tieing them largely to what the skaters performed technically, we get shit results like that.

Kostner should have had a substantial advantage over Kim and a HUGE advantage over Sotnikova on the PCS in Sochi. :(

To me, she was the clear winner and this result continues to pain me even more than Hughes' victory.
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I totally agree with Marco and Ziggy; Carolina should have won the Sochi Olympics. Her PCS undermarking was/is a critical error.
 
poths said:
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I've re watched her performances so many times. I can't watch any videos from the Olympics now because they make me feel sick to the stomach. She should have won the short by 4/5 points and won the LP with far better PCS too. The result is, and will always be a disgrace. I'm still refusing to watch worlds :drama:
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I myself stayed away from this board for 3 weeks. But don't penalize yourself by not enjoying Koster at her finest. Results aside, it was her only squeaky clean competition, and so beautifully skated too.

She won in my mind and I will remember it that way. I am impressed by Sotnikova and am happy for her bronze medal.
 
Dr.Siouxs said:
Same here. With Adelina's victory, the standard for choreography and interpretation has been set incredibly low. I fear these aspects of our sport will soon go the way of dance in gymnastics.
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Could you imagine if she had won with the screeching music and program she used last season? :scream:
 
Honestly, I think this season's was just as bad. I actually practiced her opening choreographic movements in front of a mirror yesterday. :lol: It took about a minute to master. :rolleyes:
 
Marco said:
I myself stayed away from this board for 3 weeks. But don't penalize yourself by not enjoying Koster at her finest. Results aside, it was her only squeaky clean competition, and so beautifully skated too.

She won in my mind and I will remember it that way. I am impressed by Sotnikova and am happy for her bronze medal.
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I'm really glad to read this, I have the same exact ranking. Your view on ladies skating is still so similar 10 years later and without Kwan. lol I would enjoy Sotnikova's performances so much more knowing she was the bronze medalist, there is so much potential in her though artistically. I fear that once she develops as an artist it won't really matter anymore though (and in large part because of results like Sochi). Carolina gave the best Olympic bronze medal performances of all time (always will have, too), so there is some comfort in that I suppose. She will always be remembered because of how she skated in Sochi, in a lot of ways it completely straightened out her overall career too and erased all of the bad performances. I personally haven't found a ladies skater to be as beautiful as Carolina was in Sochi since Michelle Kwan in 1998. (or Sasha Cohen 2004 season)
 
Dr.Siouxs said:
Honestly, I think this season's was just as bad. I actually practiced her opening choreographic movements in front of a mirror yesterday. :lol: It took about a minute to master. :rolleyes:
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Were you tightening your tie? And then throwing towels on the floor in a frustrated heap while waving?

It takes me at least a minute to loop the knot right :rolleyes: and I never get a 9.5 for PCS plus an overtime deduction :wuzrobbed
 
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Karpenko said:
I'm really glad to read this, I have the same exact ranking. Your view on ladies skating is still so similar 10 years later and without Kwan. lol I would enjoy Sotnikova's performances so much more knowing she was the bronze medalist, there is so much potential in her though artistically. I fear that once she develops as an artist it won't really matter anymore though (and in large part because of results like Sochi). Carolina gave the best Olympic bronze medal performances of all time (always will have, too), so there is some comfort in that I suppose. She will always be remembered because of how she skated in Sochi, in a lot of ways it completely straightened out her overall career too and erased all of the bad performances. I personally haven't found a ladies skater to be as beautiful as Carolina was in Sochi since Michelle Kwan in 1998. (or Sasha Cohen 2004 season)
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I know what you mean. She was so promising in 2003 but never fulfilled that promise. She improved and matured but never got that consistency back, until 11 years later when she finally blossomed into perfection.
 
Karpenko said:
I'm really glad to read this, I have the same exact ranking. Your view on ladies skating is still so similar 10 years later and without Kwan. lol I would enjoy Sotnikova's performances so much more knowing she was the bronze medalist, there is so much potential in her though artistically. I fear that once she develops as an artist it won't really matter anymore though (and in large part because of results like Sochi). Carolina gave the best Olympic bronze medal performances of all time (always will have, too), so there is some comfort in that I suppose. She will always be remembered because of how she skated in Sochi, in a lot of ways it completely straightened out her overall career too and erased all of the bad performances. I personally haven't found a ladies skater to be as beautiful as Carolina was in Sochi since Michelle Kwan in 1998. (or Sasha Cohen 2004 season)
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I agree with everything you, Marco, and Ziggy have said, except my ranking would have easily been: 1) Kostner (she was definitely most robbed in Sochi!), 2) Sotnikova, and 3) Kim. I will always remember the 2014 Olympics as Kostner's Games; overall she shined above all others!
 
Results aside, it was her only squeaky clean competition, and so beautifully skated too.
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Didn't she have clean skates when she won her world title as well? I can't remember if her short program at that worlds was clean, but I think her long program was (and it was also Carolina at her best, IMO, although with fewer triples).
 
Seriously so excited to see Carolina once more in Japan. Really hope she can skate well again like Sochi. Not sure if the 3F+3T will work again in the short program, but hopefully the component marks are fair and correct now that olympic russian inflation is over. Carolina, Mao and Akiko deserve to be on the podium.
 
geoskate said:
Didn't she have clean skates when she won her world title as well? I can't remember if her short program at that worlds was clean, but I think her long program was (and it was also Carolina at her best, IMO, although with fewer triples).
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She doubled the solo loop in the short and the 2nd flip in the free. The free was stunning, but a lutz would have made it more perfect.
 
sk8ingcoach said:
Seriously so excited to see Carolina once more in Japan. Really hope she can skate well again like Sochi. Not sure if the 3F+3T will work again in the short program, but hopefully the component marks are fair and correct now that olympic russian inflation is over. Carolina, Mao and Akiko deserve to be on the podium.
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Oh, I like that podium. Made it be truth.
 
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