Tarasova/Morozov Cheer Thread

Cherub721 said:
I could be wrong but I thought he said the entrance was bad and their rhythm together was bad, but not naming her specifically. It's really hard to hear though.
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A couple of native Russian speakers translated this part for an English speaker on Instagram. They said the same thing as you. He doesn’t blame her. He says it was an accident and describes the events like pbp of an accident—that they missed the rhythm to get into the lift, it was wobbly, and then she came down.
 
aftershocks said:
Can't view the video, as it's geoblocked.
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Try the new link in post #466.
Amy L said:
Ilia Averbukh choreographed it because he needed them to have multiple show programs for his tour last year. I don't know if it's about Denis specifically, but I doubt it's totally coincidental.
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Thanks for the info, @Amy L!

I also replied to your question about exhibitions in TV Alerts: https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/threads/nbc-nbcsn-broadcast-schedule-2019-2020.106105/#post-5670859
 
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I found Tarasova’s Facebook page but couldn’t figure out how to post a positive message on it. The cover page has beautiful photos of their skating.
 
Here is a link to Zhenya's facebook page, but there is no way to post on it. Their pictures are gorgeous.

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Cherub721 said:
Same reason I am asking :lol: Ok, what you say makes sense, since she was saying something about emotions I thought she said горесть (sorrow) but she said скорость (speed).



I could be wrong but I thought he said the entrance was bad and their rhythm together was bad, but not naming her specifically. It's really hard to hear though.
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There was some much noise, I could barely hear what they were saying, but Zhenya was smiling throughout so that was a good sign. Vladimir looked more disappointed than angry.
 
This will not be a popular opinion, but I think it is going to take T&M a very long time to become comfortable with their situation. I really believe we may not see them skate well till next season. I hope they will prove me wrong. In the meantime I will be happy just to watch them skate.
 
Vash01 said:
This will not be a popular opinion, but I think it is going to take T&M a very long time to become comfortable with their situation. I really believe we may not see them skate well till next season. I hope they will prove me wrong. In the meantime I will be happy just to watch them skate.
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But look at last year when they slowly got better throughout the season.
 
The judges are usually quite generous to them. If they regain confidence and feel like they earn their scores on merit and not just gifted when they don't perform well, they will be on more solid footing. IMO, when they kept being gifted for Candyman, even with mistakes, it was to the extent where they appeared to expect always being on top, and then lost a bit of confidence when others skated better and edged them out. It seemed to frustrate them, plus they haven't yet really discovered who they are on the ice and have mostly seemed to be copying styles that simply don't suit them.

They probably should take some cues from exhibitions, where they appear to be having more fun and are showing more emotion. They should both take more of a role in the choices made for their music and choreo. That might help as well.
 
First things first, I think they need to go to Rostelecom Cup and skate as well as they can. They can still get to the GPF if they can beat Boikova/Kozlovskii, and I think the Russian fed will still prefer them for a little while because they're the only Russian pair that has the ability to win a world title this year (I love Boikova/Kozlovskii, but I don't think they have enough momentum to beat Sui/Han yet). If T/M can deliver at Rostelecom Cup, then they can go to the GPF and continue building the upward momentum. If they don't, then they won't qualify to the GPF and they'll have more time to regroup before Nationals.

TBH, I would like a different free program for them. I like the choreography, but the music feels a bit heavy and awkward for me. I would suggest maybe going back to last year's program "The Winter", which worked better with their skating style IMO. I think Charlie White's choreography is genius, but I wish they had chosen a different piece of music to go with it. Food for thought for next season.

Also, I want the black bodysuits back! They looked so fierce at test skates; I think that's exactly what they need, especially for an intense program like Bolero.
 
Mad for Skating said:
First things first, I think they need to go to Rostelecom Cup and skate as well as they can. They can still get to the GPF if they can beat Boikova/Kozlovskii, and I think the Russian fed will still prefer them for a little while because they're the only Russian pair that has the ability to win a world title this year (I love Boikova/Kozlovskii, but I don't think they have enough momentum to beat Sui/Han yet). If T/M can deliver at Rostelecom Cup, then they can go to the GPF and continue building the upward momentum. If they don't, then they won't qualify to the GPF and they'll have more time to regroup before Nationals.

TBH, I would like a different free program for them. I like the choreography, but the music feels a bit heavy and awkward for me. I would suggest maybe going back to last year's program "The Winter", which worked better with their skating style IMO. I think Charlie White's choreography is genius, but I wish they had chosen a different piece of music to go with it. Food for thought for next season.

Also, I want the black bodysuits back! They looked so fierce at test skates; I think that's exactly what they need, especially for an intense program like Bolero.
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For both programs I prefer the black body suits. I don’t like the costumes they are using.

I had the same thought as you yesterday. They could go back to last year’s LP. It was beautiful and the familiarity with the program may give them confidence. They could use this year’s LP in a show.
 
Mad for Skating said:
First things first, I think they need to go to Rostelecom Cup and skate as well as they can. They can still get to the GPF if they can beat Boikova/Kozlovskii, and I think the Russian fed will still prefer them for a little while because they're the only Russian pair that has the ability to win a world title this year (I love Boikova/Kozlovskii, but I don't think they have enough momentum to beat Sui/Han yet). If T/M can deliver at Rostelecom Cup, then they can go to the GPF and continue building the upward momentum. If they don't, then they won't qualify to the GPF and they'll have more time to regroup before Nationals.
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If they don't make the GPF, historically, it would wound them at worlds if they make it there. If you go back to the very beginning of the GPF, when it was the Champions Series, no pairs team that was assigned and competed at two GP events and failed to make the GPF has ever gone on to medal at worlds in a non-Olympic year.

TBH, I would like a different free program for them. I like the choreography, but the music feels a bit heavy and awkward for me. I would suggest maybe going back to last year's program "The Winter", which worked better with their skating style IMO. I think Charlie White's choreography is genius, but I wish they had chosen a different piece of music to go with it. Food for thought for next season.
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When T/M's music was announced and it seemed like the most likely version of it was the cover that C/L used for a gala in 2015, I immediately liked the music for them. It sounded very them to me without having to resort to classical warhorse. It's a good program for them, if they can ever skate it clean. Also, with all of the other problems they're having in competition this season, it's not going to help perception if they have dumped programs two years in a row to go back to an old one.

Also, I want the black bodysuits back! They looked so fierce at test skates; I think that's exactly what they need, especially for an intense program like Bolero.
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I am with you on the black bodysuits for the sp. The red things for SLC were terrible, and the blue costumes they had at SC are nice, but look like they go with a different program. Sometimes, simple and all black is the way to go (think V/M in Pink Floyd at Worlds in 2009). I also think they need new costumes for the long. I liked her dress initially, but am liking it less. My one other thought is that if Vladimir is going to have the long red mane, then Evgenia's hair does not need to be in a ballet bun or French braid with the end tucked under. I can see wanting at least part of it restrained so it doesn't get in her face while competing, but I wonder if half up/half down would work, or at least a ponytail. His hair moves; hers doesn't need to be completely restrained.
 
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Vash01 said:
For both programs I prefer the black body suits. I don’t like the costumes they are using.

I had the same thought as you yesterday. They could go back to last year’s LP. It was beautiful and the familiarity with the program may give them confidence. They could use this year’s LP in a show.
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I agree! I think they just need to make a few adjustments and the rest will come.

aka_gerbil said:
If they don't make the GPF, historically, it would wound them at worlds if they make it there. If you go back to the very beginning of the GPF, when it was the Champions Series, no pairs team that was assigned and competed at two GP events and failed to make the GPF has ever gone on to medal at worlds in a non-Olympic year.



When T/M's music was announced and it seemed like the most likely version of it was the cover that C/L used for a gala in 2015, I immediately liked the music for them. It sounded very them to me without having to resort to classical warhorse. It's a good program for them, if they can ever skate it clean. Also, with all of the other problems they're having in competition this season, it's not going to help perception if they have dumped programs two years in a row to go back to an old one.



I am with you on the black bodysuits for the sp. The red things for SLC were terrible, and the blue costumes they had at SC are nice, but look like they go with a different program. Sometimes, simple and all black is the way to go (think V/M in Pink Floyd at Worlds in 2009). I also think they need new costumes for the long. I liked her dress initially, but am liking it less. My one other thought is that if Vladimir is going to have the long red mane, then Evgenia's hair does not need to be in a ballet bun or French braid with the end tucked under. I can see wanting at least part of it restrained so it doesn't get in her face while competing, but I wonder if half up/half down would work, or at least a ponytail. His hair moves; hers doesn't need to be completely restrained.
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Historically it’s rare, but we are under a new scoring system that values clean skating over reputation. That’s why T/M are in this boat in the first place; their mistakes were more costly with the -5 GOE system and their reputation couldn’t save them. If they can nail everything at Worlds, I don’t think it will matter if they made it to the GPF or not.
Also, Stolbova/Klimov missed the GPF in the 2013-14 season but won the 2014 Olympic silver medal, so stranger things have happened.
I’m not personally a fan of the music, at least not the version they chose. But if they can get comfortable with it and skate it clean, it could work. Seriously, T/M won Europeans skating to Candyman in yellow polka dots - they’ve never let a program stop them from winning.
I’m also here for new costumes. I think something basic is all you need. For the SP, I think they could go in the direction of James/Cipres’ black costumes for “The Sound of Silence” - they’re simple, sexy, and would show off their beautiful lines. I totally agree about letting her hair down a little; even a standard ponytail would suit the theme more.
 
Speaking of costumes I like black and red on them, in general. It will work great for Bolero. Red for fierce.

In general, I don’t feel that blue looks good on them, but navy blue unitards may work. I have this crazy idea that they could wear fuscia or shocking pink for the LP, to go with the cheerful music and the rhythm. Some embellishments of course.

I hope next year they will use either classical music or a movie sound track.
 
I am worried about how they will do at COR. May be the home ice will help but I have learned to not build up expectations of them, particularly right now. May be by the next season they will be more comfortable with their new environment, and hopefully deliver what they are capable of.
 
I put that interview (post 501) through Google Translate. I am not as with it as aka_gerbil! I'm really unsure about the details, as for instance here:

Have you already analyzed why there were errors [at Skate Canada]?
VM: Yes, of course. We talked together with three and a trainer. There are thoughts that change in the short. I think that all errors are mainly due to calls.The program has a lot of new things for us - steps, transitions. More specifically skating and pairing interactions. While this is given a little hard, because of which the elements suffer. We no longer ride just in parallel, as the couple did ten years ago. We are trying to develop. We include in the program one of the dances - transitions, support.It’s hard to combine all this. Much needs to be kept under control.

On the whole, they seem to feel they are on the right track:

ET: In general, our performance at Skate Canada left a positive impression. We really feel the progress. Spectators and judges note that our couple has their own face, their own style, that we do not continue to do simple programs, but are looking for a new, complex one and try to combine everything.

VM: We are moving in the right direction, gaining form. Yes, at the beginning of the season we were not able to cleanly roll back the programs, but there is potential. The potential is great. We made a big upgrade of ourselves, we are developing in a new direction. Already the judges see this. Now we need to run programs. A little damp arbitrary, better short. [COMMENT: I am pretty sure this sentence means something like "The free program is still a bit messy/unpolished - the short is in better shape."] Errors were both there and there. Therefore, you need to continue to work hard.

I thought this was interesting:

Marina Zueva said that she is also working with you on psychology. Has something changed in this regard in the United States over the past few months?

ET: I think so. It concerns the attitude to work, the approach to training. There is no such thing that you came, skated for two hours and went about your business. Now we are involved in the process from morning to evening.

They are starting to think like Davis and White and the Shibs. I think this taking ownership of their careers could make a big difference for them. I'm excited. And not nervous about COR!
 
aka_gerbil said:
There is a new Russian interview with T/M. Google translate didn’t butcher it too badly when I read it.

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Уехали в США, чтобы выиграть Олимпиаду. Топ-пара России Тарасова/Морозов о жизни за океаном - 6 ноября 2019 - Sport24

Двукратные чемпионы Европы о нейтральном флаге, допинге, жизни в США и Трусовой.
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Here is the video of this interview:

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Трусова, жизнь в США, Skate Canada, Олимпиада, допинг - интервью Тарасовой и Морозова

Двукратные чемпионы Европы Евгения Тарасова и Владимир Морозов с нового сезона тренируются в США у Марины Зуевой. Первый этап Гран-при под руководством новог...
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I'm not particularly with it. ;) I ran it through google translate too. I just thought it was more or less understandable and no big parts where the translator spit out random word gibberish soup that could not be deciphered.

It does sound like they're getting some good feedback. I'm still nervous for CoR though--possibly more than them.

I watched the video. The only word I understood was "instagram", and I thought they looked tired, but it was good to see them smiling and laughing.
 
They have not been the same since their breakup. They had a genuine sweet connection, and you could tell how much they cared. Now that feeling is totally gone. Yes, emotions can be choreographed and acted. But it's impossible to choreograph human connection. Davis & White adored each other - and it was obvious in their skating. Stolbova and Klimov hated each other, and you could feel that hostility in their skating - it was exciting, lol. With these guys, frankly I feel nothing.
 
IMO, they don't struggle with connection in their exhibition pieces that they've been doing as of late. It's just competition that they seem to shut down. I think someone once said it's like they're overcome with pukey-face horror when they have to compete. Someone needs to hyponitize them before they take the ice or maybe Marina could mind-meld them with some of her former students.
 
I don't think this has to do with their breakup. I just see a loss of confidence. Zhenya did OK but Vladimir seems to struggle a lot. I wonder if their botched lifts in their previous two outings had to do with his confidence?

There is still a possibility that by worlds 2020 they could iron out their issues and become competitive. I remember when B&S moved to the US (the 1999-2000 season). They struggled the whole season. Mistakes on spins, lifts, and of course jumps. By the Europeans they were much better, though not perfect. At worlds, from what I read, they were skating their best in the practices until they got the terrible news about Elena failing the drug test at Europeans.

There is no guarantee but it is possible that in 3-4 months T&M could find their groove. I am not writing them off yet. They may not make the GPF this season, but they can still skate well at their nationals and make the world team.
 
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Their faces here: https://www.instagram.com/p/B45dH5VoJWf/?igshid=1sdeyync80uzb

That they’re having confidence issues is obvious. It’s plagued them both for a long time. I had hoped going to Marina would help, but things just seem worse. The trajectory they’re on right now just seems primed to add on. Losing russia number 1 status, no wins in a year, missing the GPF, not winning nationals probably.... I don’t know all the things factoring into this or what on earth is going to fix this.

Even if they do manage to put it together later in the season, the political damage has been done. In a non-Olympic year, no pairs team that had and competed in two GP events and failed to make the final has gone on to medal at worlds that season.
 
aka_gerbil said:
Their faces here: https://www.instagram.com/p/B45dH5VoJWf/?igshid=1sdeyync80uzb

That they’re having confidence issues is obvious. It’s plagued them both for a long time. I had hoped going to Marina would help, but things just seem worse. The trajectory they’re on right now just seems primed to add on. Losing russia number 1 status, no wins in a year, missing the GPF, not winning nationals probably.... I don’t know all the things factoring into this or what on earth is going to fix this.

Even if they do manage to put it together later in the season, the political damage has been done. In a non-Olympic year, no pairs team that had and competed in two GP events and failed to make the final has gone on to medal at worlds that season.
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Their faces like fine to me.

You can’t say that they can’t make it. Skaters have come back from devastating losses. What would make it impossible is if they didn’t have the talent. That’s not the case here.

I am not too surprised by their low self esteem. For years they were Russia’s number 2 or 3, always behind someone. They need to believe in themselves. Usually hard work and a positive environment does that, but it takes time.

I am glad that they are with Marina and not with Mozer.

I do feel that they need a better music for the LP. They have an upgrade from Candyman but their LP last year was so much better. They could have simply tweaked it instead of trying a completely different style. May be they are uncomfortable with this program.
 
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