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[tony]

Difference is that about 50 people on here are ready to defend Eteri and Anna if you so much suggest they might have acted stupidly.

With Plushenko it's open season, everyone delights in ridiculing him and hoping he fails. I've never seen a person so disrespected in my life, you'd think he was an axe murderer the way people go on.

I don't know why I bother to engage with 99% of people in this fandom.

Then I'd advise you to look a little harder because the idea that Eteri has 50 people ready to defend her is And yeah, your choice for coming into threads and selective reading and blaming everyone outside Plushenko's camp for ridiculous things.

 

[Ananas Astra]

Difference is that about 50 people on here are ready to defend Eteri and Anna if you so much suggest they might have acted stupidly.

With Plushenko it's open season, everyone delights in ridiculing him and hoping he fails. I've never seen a person so disrespected in my life, you'd think he was an axe murderer the way people go on.

I don't know why I bother to engage with 99% of people in this fandom.

I don't hate Plushenko. In fact, I was a huge fan of his during his eligible days. He is a living legend of the sport, and, deep down, a decent guy.
I am sure he behaves like that because of his horrible wife. Yana has brought out the worst in him and didn't they also say something like "There is no such thing as bad PR" when he had his feud with Eteri and people wondered why they even engaged in all of this.
Yana is a media person and knows very well how to cause headlines etc. Over on reddit people are suggesting that those "inside information" came from Yana directly, and they are just pretending it's "anonymous" and have her PR machinery work against Kostornaia.

 

[hanca]

I don't hate Plushenko. In fact, I was a huge fan of his during his eligible days. He is a living legend of the sport, and, deep down, a decent guy.
I am sure he behaves like that because of his horrible wife. Yana has brought out the worst in him and didn't they also say something like "There is no such thing as bad PR" when he had his feud with Eteri and people wondered why they even engaged in all of this.
Yana is a media person and knows very well how to cause headlines etc. Over on reddit people are suggesting that those "inside information" came from Yana directly, and they are just pretending it's "anonymous" and have her PR machinery work against Kostornaia.

I don’t think I know him well enough to comment whether he is a decent guy. All I can do is make my opinion based on his actions. I think he means well, but I think there is a ruthless side of him - I don’t think there is another ice rink with as high staff turnover as at his rink. I wonder why he sacks coaches so frequently. Getting rid of a few incompetent ones, I would understand, but it seems this goes far beyond that. That’s one thing I noticed. Another issue that couldn’t escape my attention was how he treats students who leave him. Neither Sakhanovich nor Tarakanova initially went to newspapers to throw dirt on him the way Kostornaya did when she left Tutberidze. Both Sakhanovich and Tarakanova spoke up only after Pluschenko publicly blamed them, and they spoke up only to protect themselves. So two young girls were both much more mature than the adult coach, who has such a strong ego that he couldn’t bear that someone left him! I am sorry, but doesn’t anyone here think that’s pathetic? And I am not even sure if we can blame his wife for his behaviour. Pluschenko is an adult, he should be able to control himself. (Or if he can’t, he should attend some therapy.)

 

[anonymoose_au]

Then I'd advise you to look a little harder because the idea that Eteri has 50 people ready to defend her is

Well please enlighten me where you hang out because no-one questions Eteri where I go. She's infallible, the most perfect coach in all the world and the rest of the coaching community should thank their lucky stars that they get to bask in the glow of her magnificence.

Over on reddit people are suggesting that those "inside information" came from Yana directly

There's some more BS, does any other coach have to put up with constant insinuations that any wild comment someone attributes to someone who they work with is fact? I've heard rumours that Eteri has said plenty of nasty things, but there's always an excuse "Oh that was her sister" "Oh, it was Danny G." Or if God forbid she actually did say it "Oh she was just really hurt. You're so mean! You don't know how hard it is for her."

ETA: What does Anna have to do with it? She hasn't even commented on the entire story.

Nothing, but I'm sure Tony will never forgive me for bringing up the fact that a person with a fever is contagious and maybe shouldn't have shown up at an event where they could have infected a whole bunch of people at one of the most important events of the season in the middle of a p*nd*mic. But then Anna is also above us mere mortals and can do whatever she damn well pleases.

 

[tony]

Well please enlighten me where you hang out because no-one questions Eteri where I go. She's infallible, the most perfect coach in all the world and the rest of the coaching community should thank their lucky stars that they get to bask in the glow of her magnificence.

Do you have an alert set whenever Plushenko's name is mentioned or something that you pick and choose what to see? You were getting extremely upset in threads during Nationals where plenty of people were trashing Eteri and the camp, and all it takes is a quick scroll back in this thread to find more of the same. But selective reading....

Nothing, but I'm sure Tony will never forgive me for bringing up the fact that a person with a fever is contagious and maybe shouldn't have shown up at an event where they could have infected a whole bunch of people at one of the most important events of the season in the middle of a p*nd*mic. But then Anna is also above us mere mortals and can do whatever she damn well pleases.

Also- not quite what you said. You just about melted down how Anna could've ruined Trusova and only Trusova's career, yet Sasha was around her and a bunch of others that entire week, even at the press conference with no mask. Don't act like you were worried about everyone. You were worried about one person. I really want to know what is going to happen in your world if Trusova decides to leave Plushenko as well

There's a lot of rivalries in skating in general, but you are foolish if you think Eteri has a huge fan club on FSU or really anywhere on social media aside from Russian forums.

 

[hanca]

Well please enlighten me where you hang out because no-one questions Eteri where I go. She's infallible, the most perfect coach in all the world and the rest of the coaching community should thank their lucky stars that they get to bask in the glow of her magnificence.

Are you mad? Of course Eteri is not perfect. She is as bad as Pluschenko. Her tantrums when a student leaves her are pretty much comparable to Pluschenko’s tantrums. In fact, as she coaches longer, there is even longer list of students who got the ‘I am going to tell the newspapers how horrible you are’ treatment. Was it Voronov who was apparently having his mother at the rink? And who it was who didn’t bring the flowers? (Clearly we all heard about Medvedeva, but I think there was someone before her who also didn’t bring the bloody flowers. How dare he/she, the scroogy bast..d!)

 

[anonymoose_au]

Are you mad?

Maybe I am.

All I know is that Eteri's failings have pretty much faded away since Plushenko took on Sasha T.

I feel like no-one has helped Eteri's image more than he has. It's like "Who gives a toss what Eteri does, Plushenko folded his arms while sitting in the KnC with Aliona. What a horrible human being. Literal human trash right there. Who wants to make bets on which student will escape next?"

I'm out.

 

[Sylvia]

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ETA that I've cross-posted the link in her fan thread.

 

[ChelleC]

Well please enlighten me where you hang out because no-one questions Eteri where I go. She's infallible, the most perfect coach in all the world and the rest of the coaching community should thank their lucky stars that they get to bask in the glow of her magnificence.

If you think everyone at FSU, or even the majority of posters at FSU, does question Eteri, then I really have to question your reading comprehension skills.

 

[Scott512]

Maybe I am.

All I know is that Eteri's failings have pretty much faded away since Plushenko took on Sasha T.

I feel like no-one has helped Eteri's image more than he has. It's like "Who gives a toss what Eteri does, Plushenko folded his arms while sitting in the KnC with Aliona. What a horrible human being. Literal human trash right there. Who wants to make bets on which student will escape next?"

I'm out.

Plushy has gotten hit hard sometimes with people saying recently he was distant with aliona or whatever it was.

But he will be treated better as time goes by with him acting as quietly and respectfully after allona left. There was no ranting and raving there were no real criticisms of her.

Some criticisms of plushy are fair. But he also has the ability to turn everything around. Right now he needs to focus on sasha and get her ready for worlds.

 

[hanca]

But he will be treated better as time goes by with him acting as quietly and respectfully after allona left. There was no ranting and raving there were no real criticisms of her.

It is too early to say. Aliona hasn’t even heard yet whether Eteri takes her back, so she has been quiet and didn’t give interviews about how awful it is to train in Pluschenko’s school. And Pluschenko therefore may still be trying for him new approach, of being respectful and not talk about ex-student in too negative terms. But my guess is the current situation is only temporary. As soon as Aliona will hear that Tutberidze will have her, she will want to show how grateful she is so she will speak about Pluschenko in a negative way, and then Pluschenko will retaliate and strongly!

 

[Alli84]

I hope that what happens. Aleona managed to offend lots of people, at Khrystalniy, individually and one by one. I just don't think she deserves a 2nd change with this club.

You keep making these vague claims. Where's the evidence?

 

[ЭPiKUilyam]

As a pain in the ass and a know-it-all myself, you are increasing my sympathy for Kostornaia by the minute.

LOL, right???? I'm totally seeing me in this scenario! Petulant, hot-headed, ill-mannered... it's all what makes her Aliona!

 

[_Lola_]

I first was surprised how level-headed Plushy's comments were on Alyona's matter. But then I realized from his article and from some other articles that look the way as if Plushy's wife Yana PR agency wrote them or provided material for them. All these articles shift all blame to Alyona. She comes across as an ill-mannered diva who doesn't like to work and didn't properly use the perfect resources of Plushy's school that were provided to her. Unlike Sasha, who is presented in these article like a good girl, who trains hard and uses resources well. I accept that Alyona may be indeed very difficult. At the same time, there are some coaching decisions that look absolutely weird, such as 6 new programs per season... I think there are some serious faults in training process at Plushy's club, considering Alyona's situation and also taking into account how many other skaters left him (Stanislava, Ekaterina Ryabova, Sakhanovich, Tarakanova, Sotnikova).

 

[Wyliefan]

I don't pretend to know what does or doesn't go on at Plushy's place, but I do think it's a bit silly to use Aliona's constant changing of programs against him, considering that Liza was doing the exact same thing over at Mishin's rink.

 

[mjb52]

LOL, right???? I'm totally seeing me in this scenario! Petulant, hot-headed, ill-mannered... it's all what makes her Aliona!

Arguably terrible decisions made emotionally in the heat of the moment... it's like looking in a mirror except that Aliona is young, beautiful, and incredibly talented at figure skating

 

[rfisher]

I don't pretend to know what does or doesn't go on at Plushy's place, but I do think it's a bit silly to use Aliona's constant changing of programs against him, considering that Liza was doing the exact same thing over at Mishin's rink.

To be fair, all Liza actually changes is the music and costumes. Otherwise, she keeps the same layout.

 

[Ananas Astra]

To be fair, all Liza actually changes is the music and costumes. Otherwise, she keeps the same layout.

And most of the time she "changes" something, she just goes back to older programs and she has never had 6 different competitive programs choreographed for her in one season.

 

[antmanb]

To be fair, all Liza actually changes is the music and costumes. Otherwise, she keeps the same layout.

I'm still not over the fact we lost her She-Ra costume for the SP

 

[_Lola_]

I don't pretend to know what does or doesn't go on at Plushy's place, but I do think it's a bit silly to use Aliona's constant changing of programs against him, considering that Liza was doing the exact same thing over at Mishin's rink.

I disagree. There was never a feeling of hectic mess in relation to Liza's program change. There is such a feeling in Alyona's case. I think it is silly to change 2 programs right before the most important competition of the season when your athlete is not in shape physically and emotionally.

 

[rfisher]

I'm still not over the fact we lost her She-Ra costume for the SP

Have faith, it could still happen at Worlds.

 

[ЭPiKUilyam]

Arguably terrible decisions made emotionally in the heat of the moment... it's like looking in a mirror except that Aliona is young, beautiful, and incredibly talented at figure skating

That's why I'm laughing here reading people say that Aliona isn't even in the equation for the Olympics anymore. Out of all the girls, she is by far the one you should not be at all surprised that she pulls it all together and comes out the winner. I'm the king of exceeded expectations, and I laugh when people are so pissy/jealous of me because I always seem to be the one to pull the rabbit out of the hat. Don't underestimate brilliant people. Even if you don't think they are, brilliant people know how to come out as the winner. Sport, career, life, everything. I am thinking Sasha, Daria and Maiia are not pleased with the thought of Eteri coaching her again. She is the number one threat to take the third spot out of all the ladies. Don't underestimate Aliona.

 

[Scott512]

It is too early to say. Aliona hasn’t even heard yet whether Eteri takes her back, so she has been quiet and didn’t give interviews about how awful it is to train in Pluschenko’s school. And Pluschenko therefore may still be trying for him new approach, of being respectful and not talk about ex-student in too negative terms. But my guess is the current situation is only temporary. As soon as Aliona will hear that Tutberidze will have her, she will want to show how grateful she is so she will speak about Pluschenko in a negative way, and then Pluschenko will retaliate and strongly!

You think Aliona is going us speak negatively about Plushy? Nope. This will be an amicable divorce so to speak. Both have a lot to lose if they act badly. Evveni wants more skaters more stars hes at a level of coach now with sasha where he wants a male version of sasha or a 13 year old version of Sasha. If he acts the fool as the head of his Academy saying negative things about alyona as she leaves the and that will get other talent thinking twice about coming
to his Academy.

To me the hold up is all about contracts and what AK will have to repay plushy. I am 99% sure she will go back to TT but they will probably be certain conditions and probably a contract with EG.

But Aliona is the number one alternate for worlds so they have to get the was resolved soon so she can get training next week.

 

[love_skate2011]

Kostornaia just had one of those worst case scenarios, but its not the first one, look at Tuks struggles and she endured it for many years, Tuktamysheva battled weight gain from 2013 to 2018 !!

She needs to make a goal at least to make the 2022 Olympics, make it or break it if she can hold into that goal.
Kostornaia cant get lower than this season: massive weight gain, growth spurt, injury, changing coaches, new programs, covi.

 

[Ananas Astra]

You think alley owner is going us speak negatively about Plushy? Nope. This will be an amicable divorce so to speak. Both have a lot to lose if they act badly. Evveni wants more skaters more stars hes at a level of coach now with sasha where he wants a male version of sasha or a 13 year old version of Sasha. If he acts the fool as the head of his Academy saying negative things about alyona as she leaves the and that will get other talent thinking twice about coming
to his Academy.

To me the hold up is all about contracts and what AK will have to repay plushy. I am 99% sure she will go back to TT but they will probably be certain conditions and probably a contract with EG.

But Aliona is the number one alternate for worlds so they have to get the was resolved soon so she can get training next week.

Exactly, and in days like these with the 'rona and all she still might have a chance at the team in case on of the other 3 gets sick or injured. She will have lost a lot of training time by then due to this coaching switch. She should have waited until after Worlds IMHO because in case she makes Worlds as an alternate, she won't help anybody by coming unprepared and skate poorly.

 

[Scott512]

That's why I'm laughing here reading people say that Aliona isn't even in the equation for the Olympics anymore. Out of all the girls, she is by far the one you should not be at all surprised that she pulls it all together and comes out the winner. I'm the king of exceeded expectations, and I laugh when people are so pissy/jealous of me because I always seem to be the one to pull the rabbit out of the hat. Don't underestimate brilliant people. Even if you don't think they are, brilliant people know how to come out as the winner. Sport, career, life, everything. I am thinking Sasha, Daria and Maiia are not pleased with the thought of Eteri coaching her again. She is the number one threat to take the third spot out of all the ladies. Don't underestimate Aliona.

It's all providing Aliona gets healthy And if she gets her 3A back watch out..

Exactly, and in days like these with the 'rona and all she still might have a chance at the team in case on of the other 3 gets sick or injured. She will have lost a lot of training time by then due to this coaching switch. She should have waited until after Worlds IMHO because in case she makes Worlds as an alternate, she won't help anybody by coming unprepared and skate poorly.

That's why they have to make this switch by this weekend and then she can get a couple weeks of training with TT. Kostos confidence is shattered Can EG rebuild that confidence?

 

[ChiquitaBanana]

Some people in here talk as if they knew personally all the protagonists, be it on one side or the other. The level of fanaticism is scary. Remember it is just a sport for you fans, you sure don’t know all the ins and the outs. Trash talking a teenager about her actions at 14-15 yo is really to have no distance about the subjects. You are not the ones entitled to put her back in her place. Life/karma or the people she may have offended will take care of it. Not you. I know plenty of 15 yo divas / arrogant / petty who turned out into well balanced adults because karma gets back at you or because you simply mature.

Adults are adults and should take responsibility for their words and actions.

Teenagers are a build-in project. They will all do and say silly things. Some are nastier than others. Let’s just hope they have a good surrounding to ground them.
These girls in Russia are under extreme stress from a young age. They are exposed to events that normal teenagers will never have to deal with. Let’s give them a break.

Kostornaia may have a bad temper, Inam not here to excuse her behaviour but that’s not my job to put her down. I am here to discuss her skating.

 

[_Lola_]

Some people in here talk as if they knew personally all the protagonists, be it on one side or the other. The level of fanaticism is scary.

This board is a baby comparing to what's happening on Russian-language figure skating boards occupied by fans and haters. I haven't seen anything like that in figure skating before. It means broader popularity of the sport, I guess - a good thing. Yet, I have mixed feelings about that.

 

[hanca]

At the same time, there are some coaching decisions that look absolutely weird, such as 6 new programs per season... I think there are some serious faults in training process at Plushy's club, considering Alyona's situation and also taking into account how many other skaters left him (Stanislava, Ekaterina Ryabova, Sakhanovich, Tarakanova, Sotnikova).

But those were not weird coaching decisions. I don’t think that any coach decided that she should have two new programs this late in the season. I even think I read in one of those interviews Pluschenko saying that he didn’t agree with her changing programs again, but she still went ahead and changed them. I guess considering that he wasn’t coaching her on day-to-day basis, it wasn’t in his power to stop her (unless he would get very firm and say that if she disregards the advice from her coaching team, they will kick her out of the rink).
About how many skaters have left him, this is pretty common. I remember Tutberidze had about six skaters leaving her after one season. We usually don’t hear about all the changes with the less known coaches, but many skaters often change their coaches. So really, Pluschenko having 5 skaters leaving him over the past few years, that’s nothing. I would be more worried about how often coaches are leaving his rink!

 

[hanca]

Some people in here talk as if they knew personally all the protagonists, be it on one side or the other. The level of fanaticism is scary. Remember it is just a sport for you fans, you sure don’t know all the ins and the outs. Trash talking a teenager about her actions at 14-15 yo is really to have no distance about the subjects. You are not the ones entitled to put her back in her place. Life/karma or the people she may have offended will take care of it. Not you. I know plenty of 15 yo divas / arrogant / petty who turned out into well balanced adults because karma gets back at you or because you simply mature.

Adults are adults and should take responsibility for their words and actions.

Teenagers are a build-in project. They will all do and say silly things. Some are nastier than others. Let’s just hope they have a good surrounding to ground them.
These girls in Russia are under extreme stress from a young age. They are exposed to events that normal teenagers will never have to deal with. Let’s give them a break.

Kostornaia may have a bad temper, Inam not here to excuse her behaviour but that’s not my job to put her down. I am here to discuss her skating.

I do agree with you partially, but one must be careful not to make allowances to the extreme. Children are taught from young age what is right and what is wrong. Intelligent person (which Kostornaya seems to be) should be able to distinguish right from wrong. Kostornaya is 17, it is not as if she was a 5 year old kid. If she is selfish or arrogant at 17, she will not miraculously stop being selfish or arrogant as soon as she turns 18, just because she legally became adult. So making too much allowances for a 17 year old can lead to having a world full of selfish people, who were never taught the proper values because everyone was making allowance (because they were ‘only’ children...until suddenly they were not children any more). While I understand that she is still a teenager and teenagers make mistakes, at the same time people learn by consequences and her behaviour was such that she deserves whatever comes to her way. She must have known at her age that talking badly about her past coaching situation would come back to her and bite her. We are not talking about just not bringing flowers, we are talking about publicly criticising someone and publicly talking about someone in a negative way -that’s not just a mistake. This is being nasty and do it publicly. It is unreasonable to expect that it will just go away because she was a teenager. She is old enough to go to war, old enough to be criminally responsible, old enough to get married with parental consent, so she should be old enough to know when to shut up (or to be more diplomatic) or she will have to experience the consequences. And hopefully she will learn, or not learn and experience the consequences again...and again. Until she learns.