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I don't, but it says their last names are Klenina and Levchenko and one of the commentators mentioned she's one of Yagudin's first coaches
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Excellent program from Akateva. Given Valieva doesn't have her 3A and quads back yet, I think this one is hers. Those jumps looked so secure.
Well, she went for a 4T so she's training them. She'll be back by nationals. Criticize Gauz all you want, but apart from any statement, this is a good program. Her extension is just sublime.
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The double Ks were just exquisite.
Men: Samsonov is doing very well and Lutfullin is a new favorite. He's young and has work to do, but Mishin has another gem in this kid.
Aliev is looking fine. Very fine indeed. He has two excellent programs this season and is skating the best he has in years. Kolyada is Kolyada and you've just got to like Samarin.
And, that's this week's event.
Well, she went for a 4T so she's training them. She'll be back by nationals. Criticize Gauz all you want, but apart from any statement, this is a good program. Her extension is just sublime.
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The double Ks were just exquisite.Men: Samsonov is doing very well and Lutfullin is a new favorite. He's young and has work to do, but Mishin has another gem in this kid.
Aliev is looking fine. Very fine indeed. He has two excellent programs this season and is skating the best he has in years. Kolyada is Kolyada and you've just got to like Samarin.
And, that's this week's event.
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I thought the FDs from Kagapol and Morozov and partner were bad, I had low expectations from Krylova but both those programs are just all over the place.
T/M had an FS that made you forget they are Olympic silver medalists and were beaten by a young team who skated very well, not the outing they wanted.
And Kolyada just had a meltdown in his FS, he is definitely injured, he couldn't land his 4Ts, could barely land triples, and even his spins were bad. I wish he would have skipped this one because that FS was hard to watch.
T/M had an FS that made you forget they are Olympic silver medalists and were beaten by a young team who skated very well, not the outing they wanted.
And Kolyada just had a meltdown in his FS, he is definitely injured, he couldn't land his 4Ts, could barely land triples, and even his spins were bad. I wish he would have skipped this one because that FS was hard to watch.
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It was painful indeed. And, given Aliev, Lutfillin and even Samarin skated well, it was even a bigger disaster for him.
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Haven't seen the FS yet, but meanwhile, if anyone noticed and can explain: in the SP, I noticed two contenders had what are very obviously recycled Eteri-skaters programmes: Maria Gretchikhina with an Anna Karenina that is Medvedeva's Oly programme down to the train whistle and style of the dress, and Karina Askarova with Kostornaya's dress and music from 2019 (I think - the one with Muse). Is this done with the consent of Team Tutberidze? Must be as the rip-off is obvious. Or maybe they reckon imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and that it's good advertisement that less skilled skaters use their old stuff?
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One of the girls today skated in a rip off of Savchenko's dress; Talalaikina pretty much skated Wagner's hip hip chin chin a couple of years ago and Sotnikova's 2016 programme was a rip off of Giada Ruso's `red violin'.
I assume some of these girls don't have money for the choreographers and their coaches go with `ok, it looked good, why not recycle', some didn't really expect to end up on the national TV.
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I've always wondered if there is an exchange program for dresses. They cost a lot of money and elite skaters don't typically recycle them unless they keep a program for successive years
Yep Morozov/Narizhny has tons of potential - I think could be a new leader in ice dance. The first program that I did not want to stop whatching after the first minute this season. Too bad they cannot compete in the world. Probably should change sports citizenship.Thoughts:
Dance: Morosov/Narizhny look good together
Pairs: Excellent overall. Three new pairs did very well and even though I don't like Ave Maria, Tar/Mor skated well. Mozer has styled Pleshkov's new partner to look just like Evgenia.Khabiballina/Knyazhuk did excellent SBS 3 lutzes (new team).
Women: Valieva skated very well. Her extension is just sublime.
Men: first group: Samonsov has grown so much! It's been two years since he competed. No quads and a 2A, but he moves so well on the ice. 2nd group on ice. I hope Aliev skates well as he has probably the best free skate he's had in years.
ETA: I've been reminded that K/K slayed juniors last year.So new senior team. Last year was a long time ago. Only so many items can be retained in ones memory.
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She might could, I'm not certain he could leave Russia.
He can leave Russia if he decides so. It is not a problem.
He was born in Ukraine.
Even better. He should leave Russia
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And, her dad may be considering doing so, depending on how things happen with Russia and the IOC. I suspect they are in a waiting game at this point. They have funding in Russia and would not anywhere else.
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The question is whether Russia would release them. Even though Russia is banned, the skaters still need to be released before they are able to compete for another country.
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Not necessarily. The ISU Council could issue releases to any skaters (figure, speed, short track, synchro) that request them. They've never done that before, and I'm not sure there's any reason to believe they will for any Russians who want to compete for another country, but I think a case could be made for those who do have citizenship in other countries like Morozov/Naryzhnyy and Davis - not sure what they'd do with Smolkin, though I guess if they granted her a release, he'd get one too since they're now married, which accelerates his path to US citizenship.
As it is, I do think they're making the right move at this time to see what happens with regard to the ban. No need to lose funding now when they haven't even been out of international competition a full year (I don't see the ISU Council granting releases before the ban has been in effect at least a year). But all bets are off if Russia & Belarus are still banned in 5 months - we'll start seeing skaters jump ship - especially the juniors who want to get out on the JGP.
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They are backing Vasi/Valeri...and they are not competing anywhere internationally soon. The issue is sponsorship though. Who else will give the financial support that Russia gives?
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The bolded are they key words - could issue release. As you said, it never happened before…
ETA: and even if it happened and the skaters got actually released, unless they have already another citizenship, they will be exactly in the same situation as Talalaikina. Did you read the interview why she came back to Russia and wants to represent Russia again, even though she already has been released and would be able to represent Italy?
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Did you miss the part where I pointed out that I doubted the ISU Council would even consider granting releases to anyone who doesn't already have citizenship (or permanent residency at the very minimum) in another country?
Why even bring up Talalaikina since 1) she doesn't have Italian citizenship, and 2) she was already granted a release. Her reasons for returning to Russia to skate are irrelevant when discussing what the ISU Council might decide to do for Russian skaters requesting a release who DO already possess citizenship in other countries.
I'm merely restating my long-held belief that if we get to the point where it looks like the ban will remain for at least another season, we're going to start to see some of the mid-tier senior-aged skaters as well as juniors who are going to be age-eligible by Milano-Cortina consider their options outside of Russia. At some point, the window for qualifying for the Olympics is going to close and these skaters are going to want to establish themselves on the international scene.
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Am feeling sorry for Akatieva. She was a clear winner yesterdya, but the RusFed has tendency undermarking the new skaters to give the champions another victorious season. They pretty much screwed Tarasova/Morozov and Stolbova/Klimov for Volosozhar/Trankov, but at least those teams had the international competitions with the judges who gave very little shits about the RusFed preferences. Have a feeling Akatieva will be scarified for Valivea. Beats me what for - Valieva got her erm.. nike? puma? adidas? which one is working with her? so if anything - thye should be pushing the new girl up as much as possible, so when Russia loses that idiotic war and is back to the international skating they have yet another Eteri 2 season long star.
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I agree in part and not in part. Unfortunately for Akatieva, both 4T's were short - solidly short. But it looked like Valieva didn't get dinged for what was a dreadful 4T attempt and too much of a PCS boost. Akatieva still should have won
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No, I didn’t miss that part, but why are you raising it as a realistic option if it is so extremely unlikely that it would happen? That’s like me saying that I could fly, if I ever manage to grow my own wings. Is that likely to happen? I don’t think so.
Why bring up Talalaikina? Because the majority of Russian skaters don’t have dual citizenship, so even if they tried to switch countries, they will be exactly in the same situation as she was in and therefore may find out that it was a wasted effort to ask to be released.
Just theoretically, after the Russian skater (without dual citizenship) is released, then they may try to go to train to their new country to train. And they may find out that they can’t stay there because with their Russian passport they won’t get visa to stay there. Ok, fine, they can train anywhere else. But their new country will want to send them to competitions and they won’t be able to travel to those competitions with Russian passport. So their new country will have no use for them, because what good it is having a skater who can’t even attend competitions? That means that even if the skater managed to get some sponsors to fund their skating, if they can’t compete, the sponsors will drop them pretty soon.
Furthermore, the chance of getting the citizenship of their new country (if they don’t have it to start with) is very small if you can’t even live in that country. Many countries have the requirement that you have to live in the country for a period of time to be eligible to apply for their citizenship. So not living in the country means no chance of getting citizenship and no chance to go to Olympics either.
I don’t think so. I was thinking that, but after I read the interview with Talalaikina, I realised that getting released would mean getting rid of one problem and replacing it with another sets of problems which the skaters won’t be able to get around anyway. So they would be as stuck as they are now. The only skaters who have a chance are those who already have dual citizenship, and in pairs/ice dance it would need both of them having dual citizenship.
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The SP also played a factor. Akatieva fell on the 3A attempt and Valieva was clean. That gave Valieva a little cushion
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But, again, my original post wasn't about Russian skaters who don't have dual citizenship. I don't think it is in any way impossible to think the ISU Council would step in if presented with the extremely rare and unusual circumstance of a Russian skater who DOES have dual citizenship asking for a release because the Russian fed won't release them.
Talalaikina's situation does NOT have the same basic premise. None of the issues you're bringing up that she wound up facing would apply to Morozov/Naryzhnyy since they have passports from other countries. Same goes for Diana Davis, though I'm not sure that she and Gleb would be able to compete anywhere since there are plenty of countries unwilling to issue even short-term visas to those carrying Russian passports; but he does have a green card to be in the US, so he doesn't face the same problem with long-term training and residency that Talalaikina did.
Additionally, there are, as you know, several former Soviet republics that are more than happy to still issue passports to Russians who have familial ties to those countries. How long that will last remains to be seen, and who knows whether those nations' skating feds would want them, but you're kidding yourself if you believe that Eteri hasn't had preliminary conversations with the Armenian fed should Petrosian and her family want to make that switch.
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From a video I just saw in this thread anyone who’s ever raised a finger to Amber Glenns sad Emo music has a lot of nerve I mean a lot
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As an arse-covering operation maybe. Valieva's FS is the RusFed's middle finger up to the rest of the skating world, turned into a skating programme: we're not wrong, we're the victims, but we hold our heads up high. They have to hold her up as long as possible, because if they look like they're pushing her towards the exit as soon as the new season starts, it's highly suspicious. That must be a consideration. Akatieva was clearly better indeed.
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It is not impossible, but from my first-hand experience of dealing with the ISU, they are very reluctant to get involved in any way with release issues. They prefer to leave it to the federations to resolve between themselves.
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But when you were trying to secure the release for your skater, the federation in question wasn't banned from international competition. In normal times, I'd agree with you - there's no way the ISU Council would touch a release request.
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I agree that these are exceptional times. However, the Russian Federation is a big source of revenue for the ISU, so I'd imagine that the ISU would be reluctant to do anything to piss Russia off now as they would have one eye on the future when (if) Russia competes again internationally.
(I'm just playing devil's advocate here, I am hoping you are right!)
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