Russian figure skating news in 2024

Many blessings to Aliona on her way to motherhood!

On personal note, I do feel sad that her brilliant talent as a single skater was so short.
I always wonder why all these wealthy Russian emigrants never considered to help her when help was needed to get her out of Russia and Tutberidze camp.
There is nothing left as to hope she will be having a good post competition life and career, and of course, wonderful family.
 
She actually has a good possibility of a career as a pair skater. She really improved in just two years of skating pairs. Her issue wasn't just Tutberidze. Moskvina said she has the skills and talent to succeed at pairs, but she would never take her as a student because of the drama she brings with her. It all depends on what happens post Olympics, but if Russia is back to full competition, and either or both of Boikova/Koslovskii or Mishina/Galliamov retire, then Kostornaia/Kunitsev could be a top 3 pair team in Russia. Maybe. Coaching is the issue since she's made a reputation for herself. It all depends on what they want to do.
 
...hmm... as far as I remember interview with Tamara Moskvina she said that it is not enough for a pair girl to have good or excellent technical skills and talent, that it is also utmost necessary to interact with a partner, or, like we do say "to be as one" and Moskvina very diplomatically/indirectly pointed out that she does not see this quality in Aliona, nor she sees in Aliona ability to overcome psychological challenges in partnership.
Of course, I have read this interview in English and, perhaps, there was something missing in translation.
If honestly, I was very sad to hear Moskvina's opinion... I wanted to hear only good or very good! Anyway, it does not matter at this point of time- let Aliona have blessed way to her motherhood now.
 
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Ivan Popov wants to move to Uzbekistan! We’ll see if Russia lets him go. He has quad toe and salchow and placed 7th in free skate in December. It doesn’t seem like he’s being invited to a channel one cup
 
Ananas Astra said:
Veronika Zhilina has switched to Azerbaijan and already has a passport: https://www.instagram.com/p/DJoxIwNop9P/
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Well, no, she hasn't 'switched' yet since the Russian Fed hasn't released her and Sikharulidze claimed, in reporting yesterday, that she was still a member of the Russian National Team & did not have an Azerbaijan passport. We'll see what happens or if news comes out in coming days confirming she has an actual release to represent Azerbaijan. But it's a curious story, for sure!
 
So, summing up what we have:

Releases:
Akopova/Rakhmanin - Released and can represent Armenia
Veronika Zhilina - Release declined; she is waiting for approval to represent Azerbaijan (she was on the reserve team last season)
Ivan Popov - Release declined; he aims to represent Uzbekistan (competed at Nationals and other domestic events this season and will have to wait at least one more year).
Anna Rumak (ice dancer, used to skate with Gleb Goncharov in juniors) - Released to represent France


AIN statuses:
Petr Gumennik

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Here's also a recent interview with Gumennik, where he was asked all types of personal and non-related to figure skating questions (was conducted before the AIN candidates were announced). He is a full-time student at one of the top tech universities and is studying software engineering. He also plays piano and saxophone, is a big fan of heavy metal, and they are good friends with Dikizhi.
Sub: Vladislav Dikizhi

Adelia Petrosyan

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Sub: Alina Gorbacheva

Mishina/Gallyamov - AIN stutus denied
Tamara Moskvina:
Our emotions right now are calm. The possibility of such a decision by the ISU (denying the application without explanation) was already implied in the ISU communiqué regarding the conditions for allowing one participant per country to the Olympic Games.
We discussed this scenario with Nastya and Sasha. The ISU communiqué has been released, so we continue following a different course of action without wasting our lives on fruitless speculation, but instead planning real next steps.
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Also, Gallyamov is still injured and hasn't been back on the ice yet.

Stepanova/Bukin - AIN status denied
Posted a video on social media calling for an explanation
I guess that’s the difference between having Moskvina as a coach versus Zhulin.
 
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Ka3sha said:
So, summing up what we have:

Releases:
Akopova/Rakhmanin - Released and can represent Armenia
Veronika Zhilina - Release declined; she is waiting for approval to represent Azerbaijan (she was on the reserve team last season)
Ivan Popov - Release declined; he aims to represent Uzbekistan (competed at Nationals and other domestic events this season and will have to wait at least one more year).
Anna Rumak (ice dancer, used to skate with Gleb Goncharov in juniors) - Released to represent France


AIN statuses:
Petr Gumennik

- YouTube

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Here's also a recent interview with Gumennik, where he was asked all types of personal and non-related to figure skating questions (was conducted before the AIN candidates were announced). He is a full-time student at one of the top tech universities and is studying software engineering. He also plays piano and saxophone, is a big fan of heavy metal, and they are good friends with Dikizhi.
Sub: Vladislav Dikizhi

Adelia Petrosyan

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Sub: Alina Gorbacheva

Mishina/Gallyamov - AIN stutus denied
Tamara Moskvina:


Also, Gallyamov is still injured and hasn't been back on the ice yet.

Stepanova/Bukin - AIN status denied
Posted a video on social media calling for an explanation
I guess that’s the difference between having Moskvina as a coach versus Zhulin.
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So, I’m impressed with Gumennik. Since all the men except Ilya are inconsistent except Shaidorov, and Petr is miles ahead of him on PCS, on any given day he could medal. What was his music? I liked it a lot.

Adelia, eh. Close your eyes and she’s any Eteri clone circa 2018. Applied choreo and little innate musicality, the quads look UR and she has that oh so familiar miserable face when she finishes. A lot of women would have to have a bad day for her to medal.
 
PRlady said:
Close your eyes and she’s any Eteri clone circa 2018.
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I'm very confused now about whether or not you like Medvedeva, because circa 2018, it was only her, Zagitova, and Tsurskaya, off the top off my head, unless you're counting juniors.
 
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On My Own said:
I'm very confused now about whether or not you like Medvedeva, because circa 2018, it was only her, Zagitova, and Tsurakaya, off the top off my head, unless you're counting juniors.
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I did like Med, who really inhabited her music and told a story. And I was counting the three A’s who were juniors back then. There was nothing I liked about Zag’s skating.
 
I can't believe I'm discussing Eteri girls and pretending musicality exists in skating, but I think apart from Panenkova and that one girl who everyone pretended was amazing and whose name I've forgotten (okay, googled and found out she's called Tarakanova), I'd say the Eteri girls were decent performers with decent musicality. Even Trusova who had some charisma, and Zagitova who had musical timing. Their technique held them back, which is purely on their coach and choreographer.

Oh that one guy who was JWC '18 sucked too, if we're counting male Eteri girls.
 
PRlady said:
So, I’m impressed with Gumennik. Since all the men except Ilya are inconsistent except Shaidorov, and Petr is miles ahead of him on PCS, on any given day he could medal. What was his music? I liked it a lot.
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It's from a 2024 Russian movie "Onegin" (adaptation of Pushkin's "Eugene Onegin")
Here's Gumennik's Dune SP from the same competition

Petr is also not always consistent, while he doesn't have big meltdowns, he sometimes struggles with underrotations. But he seems to have a good head and is still working with Arutynyan as his online consultant (has been doing for last 3 years or so)
 
On My Own said:
I can't believe I'm discussing Eteri girls and pretending musicality exists in skating, but I think apart from Panenkova and that one girl who everyone pretended was amazing and whose name I've forgotten (okay, googled and found out she's called Tarakanova), I'd say the Eteri girls were decent performers with decent musicality. Even Trusova who had some charisma, and Zagitova who had musical timing. Their technique held them back, which is purely on their coach and choreographer.

Oh that one guy who was JWC '18 sucked too, if we're counting male Eteri girls.
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Erekhov. Gone and forgotten. The gold medal pair and dance teams no longer exist. I did admire Trusova’s gutsy jockiness.
 
PRlady said:
So, I’m impressed with Gumennik. Since all the men except Ilya are inconsistent except Shaidorov, and Petr is miles ahead of him on PCS, on any given day he could medal. What was his music? I liked it a lot.

Adelia, eh. Close your eyes and she’s any Eteri clone circa 2018. Applied choreo and little innate musicality, the quads look UR and she has that oh so familiar miserable face when she finishes. A lot of women would have to have a bad day for her to medal.
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The big decision of Beijing with judges are if Petrosian ultra c are q < or <<!!! If they are q or < it doesn’t matter. They still get lots of points and she can likely beat anyone. Lots of women don’t have to have a bad day. They can have good days. If her ultra c are << that’s a different story. So what do the technical experts of skating say?

Are Petrosian ultra c
q
<
<<

A good point was made about her pcs. Would it be lower than what it was as a junior? Even a Russian junior. Now she is a senior neutral. What is pcs for that?
 
caseyedwards said:
A good point was made about her pcs. Would it be lower than what it was as a junior? Even a Russian junior. Now she is a senior neutral. What is pcs for that?
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PCS falling from the insane highs that all Russian women, especially their juniors, were getting when they last competed internationally, should be expected. I think Samodelkina can give us a good idea of what we should expect with regard to Petrosian's likely PCS - somewhere in the 7s. Samo and Petro were both scoring in the 7s on PCS at their 2021 JGP appearances. When Samo reappeared this past season, at her first JGP, her PCS dropped to the 5 range. She managed to get it back up to the 7 range by 4CCs and Worlds, after proving herself all season. Petrosian won't have the opportunity to build up any reputation between the Olympic Qualifying Event and the Olympics. Even if you figure she'll get some benefit of doubt simply by virtue of being Russian, there's nothing in her past scoring history that would indicate she's going to get some huge bump into the 8s or 9s apart from being Russian - certainly nothing in her actual skating. With no Russians on the officiating panels in Milano-Cortina, there's not going to be any incentive or reason for the judges to go overboard with her PCS.
 
Karen-W said:
PCS falling from the insane highs that all Russian women, especially their juniors, were getting when they last competed internationally, should be expected. I think Samodelkina can give us a good idea of what we should expect with regard to Petrosian's likely PCS - somewhere in the 7s. Samo and Petro were both scoring in the 7s on PCS at their 2021 JGP appearances. When Samo reappeared this past season, at her first JGP, her PCS dropped to the 5 range. She managed to get it back up to the 7 range by 4CCs and Worlds, after proving herself all season. Petrosian won't have the opportunity to build up any reputation between the Olympic Qualifying Event and the Olympics. Even if you figure she'll get some benefit of doubt simply by virtue of being Russian, there's nothing in her past scoring history that would indicate she's going to get some huge bump into the 8s or 9s apart from being Russian - certainly nothing in her actual skating. With no Russians on the officiating panels in Milano-Cortina, there's not going to be any incentive or reason for the judges to go overboard with her PCS.
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If petrosian under-rotated all her ultra c and gets 7.25 pcs and gets only +1 in goe for something she did well, at 2025 worlds she would be in 9th place with 129 points in the FS.

Theres so many questions about spin and step levels and GOE and pcs. Rotation called of ultra c. It’s true she may not be in top 10 at all.

You have to wonder if she would qualify in Beijing with underrotated ultra c and 7.25 pcs
 
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caseyedwards said:
If petrosian under-rotated all her ultra c and gets 7.25 pcs and gets only +1 in goe for something she did well, at 2025 worlds she would be in 9th place with 129 points in the FS.
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I think her PCS will probably be closer to 7.5 or 7.75, based on her 2021 JGP PCS. But it could easily take a slight hit to 7 or 7.25, and it wouldn't be unreasonable given that juniors do usually take a hit on PCS when they transition to seniors.
caseyedwards said:
Theres so many questions about spin and step levels and GOE and pcs. Rotation called of ultra c. It’s true she may not be in top 10 at all.

You have to wonder if she would qualify in Beijing with underrotated ultra c and 7.25 pcs
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Oh, I think she'll qualify. Even with a field that includes Gubanova, Hendrickx and Safonova (who does have a decent sr int'l reputation pre-ban, so you have to figure she'll get some benefit of the doubt from the judges & score in the same range she was 4 years ago), that still leaves 2 spots. Apart from whichever Chinese woman is there, none of the rest of the field are going to beat a Petrosian with underrotated quads & 3As and 7.25 PCS. Certainly not fan fave Taljegard.
 
Karen-W said:
I think her PCS will probably be closer to 7.5 or 7.75, based on her 2021 JGP PCS. But it could easily take a slight hit to 7 or 7.25, and it wouldn't be unreasonable given that juniors do usually take a hit on PCS when they transition to seniors.

Oh, I think she'll qualify. Even with a field that includes Gubanova, Hendrickx and Safonova (who does have a decent sr int'l reputation pre-ban, so you have to figure she'll get some benefit of the doubt from the judges & score in the same range she was 4 years ago), that still leaves 2 spots. Apart from whichever Chinese woman is there, none of the rest of the field are going to beat a Petrosian with underrotated quads & 3As and 7.25 PCS. Certainly not fan fave Taljegard.
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In the SP with the technical layout what she wants to do
With 5 57.60
With 6 61.59
With 7 65.58
With 8 69.57

So you can see depending on PCS 57 to 69 range
 
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caseyedwards said:
In the SP with the technical layout what she wants to do
With 5 57.60
With 6 61.59
With 7 65.58
With 8 69.57

So you can see spending on PCS 57 to 69 range
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Yeah, I think that somewhere in the 65-67 range for her SP is likely. Also remember, she is going to be skating first in the SP in Beijing at the OQE (and in Milano-Cortina for that matter) because she has no WS points. We saw what happened to Nargiz Sueleymanova skating first in Boston - she had a lovely program but got hosed in PCS. Even skaters like Nini An and Ahsun Yun, who have some international reputation established but were skating #7 & 9 in the SP, only managed PCS in the high 5s & low 6s - granted, they both had disastrous SPs, but the judges weren't handing out PCS like candy and I don't expect that to be the case with the OQE - and it definitely won't be the case at the Olympics.

I really think the PCS reset is going to be a lot more impactful than Russia realizes. Add in the tech panel taking a sharper eye to her rotations than has happened to Russian women in the past... It will be really interesting to see what happens at the OQE and how Eteri recalibrates between September & February to maximize Petrosian's scoring potential.
 
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