Royalty Thread#12 Tiaras, Palaces & Gilded Cages

[taf2002]

Where has it been made clear that the UK won't be paying Harry and Meghan's security costs? That's not what has been said at all - in fact the Met Police have already stated they are concerned with the spiralling costs associated with protecting the couple so therefore the UK is paying for their security as it presently stands. If you have an article that states differently please point me in its direction.

The Queen has called them back temporarily so I imagine the UK, whether by taxes or by the RF will be footing the bill while they are there. But paying while they are not in the UK wasn't part of the statement that I read. But ok, let's hear for the umpteenth time that you don't want your taxes to be used. I can never hear that enough.

 

[kittyjake5]

When the BRF are asked about security for H&M the spokesperson answer has always been we don’t discuss security issues.

 

[Jenny]

There's a difference between discussing security arrangements, which for obvious reasons should not be openly discussed for Harry and Meghan or anyone else, and discussing who's paying for it, which, given that many of us on this thread are stakeholders in the matter, is something we all have a right to ask about, discuss, and form opinions on.

 

[Lorac]

The Queen has called them back temporarily so I imagine the UK, whether by taxes or by the RF will be footing the bill while they are there. But paying while they are not in the UK wasn't part of the statement that I read. But ok, let's hear for the umpteenth time that you don't want your taxes to be used. I can never hear that enough.

What statement was that? Nothing I read says what you have said. Just point me to that so I can read it. And I certainly haven't said anything about where I would like my taxes used umpteen times so just lay off the exaggerating please.

 

[Coco]

How about the Dragon Prince of Bhutan, who recently turned four?

Crown Prince of Bhutan celebrates his 4th birthday - Royal Central

Yesterday, the Crown Prince of Bhutan, Jigme Namgyel Wangchuck (also called the Druk Gyalsey or Dragon Prince), celebrated his 4th birthday. To coincide with his birthday, his father, King Jigme Khesar Namgyel Wangchuck attended the...

royalcentral.co.uk

I'm being ridiculous, but he looks like he has an old soul. What a lovable face!

 

[MsZem]

I'm being ridiculous, but he looks like he has an old soul. What a lovable face!

Check out this pic from a few years back

The Dragon Prince of Bhutan Is Back With Yet Another Adorable Photo

His reign of royal cuteness continues with some doctor dress-up.

www.huffpost.com

 

[mella]

Here's what I don't understand. It's clear that the UK won't be paying H&M's security costs.

... where has this come from? Here the speculation is still high in the press so I don't think it's been confirmed as yet.

Option 1. I believe that BRF will pay for H&M security from their own private funds and revisit that issue in 12 months. Option 2. H&M will pay for their own scaled down security. Simple.

I suspect you are right. From a PR perspective I imagine the RF are very mindful of optics at the moment both at home and abroad.

I let myself be drawn this morning by a post that was overly dismissive and suggested that any one who might have objections to tax contributions must be anti H&M

I'm in a far better mood this evening and this made me laugh:

Check out this pic from a few years back

The Dragon Prince of Bhutan Is Back With Yet Another Adorable Photo

His reign of royal cuteness continues with some doctor dress-up.

www.huffpost.com

Old soul indeed @Coco

 

[MacMadame]

I keep reading there how H&M have chosen not to live in the UK. Has something changed? Because I thought they were planning to live in the UK about half the time (6 months a year)

 

[Judy]

I keep reading there how H&M have chosen not to live in the UK. Has something changed? Because I thought they were planning to live in the UK about half the time (6 months a year)

that’s what the media are spinning but I believe legally they have to return to the U.K. same with me as a Canadian for eg., if I was spending the winter down south. Work/student visa’s would be different Of course.

 

[Judy]

What statement was that? Nothing I read says what you have said. Just point me to that so I can read it. And I certainly haven't said anything about where I would like my taxes used umpteen times so just lay off the exaggerating please.

Trust me everyone complains about what their tax payers are paying for. Canada was def in a huff (in Ottawa they complain non-stop about everything Lol. I don’t really care but you are not alone.

 

[overedge]

I agree that H&M should have their security costs covered if/when they are doing work on behalf of the Queen. But AFAIK the only royal engagement since they've come to British Columbia was Meghan's one-day visit to the women's groups in Vancouver. Am I missing something else either of them have done in British Columbia other than that?

 

[mag]

I agree that H&M should have their security costs covered if/when they are doing work on behalf of the Queen. But AFAIK the only royal engagement since they've come to British Columbia was Meghan's one-day visit to the women's groups in Vancouver. Am I missing something else either of them have done in British Columbia other than that?

That was not so much of an “engagement” as a media stunt to control the narrative after Harry’s meeting with his family. They have done nothing at all. They are cocooning with Archie and doing yoga according to their “friends.”

ETA: Harry may return to the UK on and off but I suspect it will have to be something fairly big, like a funeral or coronation to get Meghan back after this last trip.

 

[overedge]

That was not so much of an “engagement” as a media stunt to control the narrative after Harry’s meeting with his family. They have done nothing at all. They are cocooning with Archie and doing yoga according to their “friends.”

That's exactly what I was getting at. I know they need security because of their being well-known, but IMHO it's really bad optics to have the British and Canadian taxpayers cover the high security costs of what is essentially an extended vacation.

FWIW there is a report online that at one of the organizations Meghan visited in Vancouver, her RPOs (all male) were not allowed to go into the areas where the underprivileged women are working and living, because it's a women-only space. So she met with the staff but none of the organization's clients.

 

[starrynight]

I'm increasingly perturbed by this "financially independent" commentary. Harry reportedly inherited £30m. He is already financially independent. Even if they spent £10m on a house... he's earning more in interest at rock bottom rates than I'll likely earn in a life time! Being "financially independent" means living within your means. Enough already. Time for Harry to take responsibility for his "financial independence" and Meghan (with her own wealth) to do her part - so the rest of us aren't footing their bills.

The more I read and think about this, it's all just becoming a giant 'first world problems' or maybe even 'one percenter problems' thing.

The thing is that a lot of nations throughout recent history have stopped tolerating royalty and have removed them in favour of republics. In the modern world, owning massive wealth, power and control by birth-right is quite precarious. The whole thing requires the public to accept and approve of the situation and voluntarily give them the status. You know, the public approving of a family (many of whom are unremarkable aside from the luck of birth) riding around in gilded carriages, wearing crowns and owning swathes of land and collecting the income from it.

It's a fragile situation. Just like the way politicians have to work to remain popular, it's the same for the royal family. All those ribbon cuttings and community meet and greets are about maintaining the public approval of this situation. Nothing is for free. The massive privilege and wealth beyond the dreams of normal man requires some pay off. It's a challenge to maintain the support of a nation and a Commonwealth and obviously requires work.

The more I think of this, the more I think - would anyone approve of the idea of royalty saying they don't care what the public thinks and just taking the money of a nation and leaving overseas with it? All the talk of 'private income' is still money sourced from royal status and control of land. Plus then tens of millions of tax payers money each year in security? I just don't think that's acceptable in a modern context.

I get the impression Harry takes the whole arrangement whereby the public accepts the royal concept totally for granted. It's just dripping in privilege and entitlement.

I think the family may be in for a rude shock when the Queen dies. She's the foundation holding this fragile system in place.

 

[taf2002]

At this point Harry & Meghan are "influencers" just like the vain overpriviledged daughters of the rich & models & Kardasians. Look at Kylie Jenner who became a billionaire in less time than anyone in history. H&M will make millions for basically the same thing. One difference is that they have charities that they will support so at least they will be doing some good in the world.

 

[canbelto]

The thing about influencers is they have to constantly come up with new content. With Harry's paranoid privacy concerns I don't see them coming up with enough "hey peek into a lives and see this great coconut water we're plugging" content.

 

[starrynight]

H&M will make millions for basically the same thing. One difference is that they have charities that they will support so at least they will be doing some good in the world.

I don't know. The royal family is going to be in for a heck of a time after Queen Elizabeth passes away. I wouldn't be surprised if Republic referendums start up in some of the Commonwealth countries after that happens. Nothing is going to be the same. It's going to be a lot of work to maintain stability and public approval with a new monarch.

And even if the royal family maintains its shine, I expect Meghan and Harry have only until Prince George is about 16 or so to have the attention. It's quickly going to become all about those three kids when they become teenagers.

 

[Vagabond]

The thing about influencers is they have to constantly come up with new content. With Harry's paranoid privacy concerns I don't see them coming up with enough "hey peek into a lives and see this great coconut water we're plugging" content.

Privacy concerns are the new black.

 

[mag]

At this point Harry & Meghan are "influencers" just like the vain overpriviledged daughters of the rich & models & Kardasians. Look at Kylie Jenner who became a billionaire in less time than anyone in history. H&M will make millions for basically the same thing. One difference is that they have charities that they will support so at least they will be doing some good in the world.

Many other well if people also do just as much, if not more, charity work. So far H&M are at the low end of the scale given the support and contacts they have. If they amp it up by another 75% and actually are financially independent I will be on board. Until then they are an immensely privileged couple, lacking in self awareness, who seem to go searching for things to whinge about. I also see this move to North America being mainly because Meghan was homesick and couldn’t deal with the culture shock. Now there is nothing wrong with that and it I think Harry wanted out anyway. I just think it would have been better for H&M and better for the monarchy if they had just been honest about it rather than searching for other reasons and blaming other people.

 

[starrynight]

. So far H&M are at the low end of the scale given the support and contacts they have. If they amp it up by another 75% and actually are financially independent I will be on board.

I think if they wanted to do a huge schedule of charity work, then it was pointless leaving the royal family. That was their former job. So I don't think replacing the old job with an identical one is what they want.

And with any kind of public profile, comes scrutiny. Look at the way politicians are treated.

Judging by their statements, they want to remove the 'public interest justification' in media reporting of their lives. Which indicates to me that not leading a public life is their goal.

I think all the talk of continuing charity work is to soften the blow of just leaving the country with a stack of the nation's money.

 

[mag]

@starrynight I agree, except that they were in California talking to people at Stanford I believe about setting up their organization and what they have to sell is themselves. As I said earlier, if Harry wasn’t a prince, no one would give 10 cents to hear him speak. That is one thing they seem to be quite consistent about: words and actions don’t seem to match.

 

[mag]

Harry, Duke of Sussex

Jon Bon Jovi arrives at Abbey Road to meet Prince Harry

www.facebook.com

Not sure if this link works, but it is a Facebook post and the account is “Harry, Duke of Sussex”

 

[Judy]

Harry, Duke of Sussex

Jon Bon Jovi arrives at Abbey Road to meet Prince Harry

www.facebook.com

Not sure if this link works, but it is a Facebook post and the account is “Harry, Duke of Sussex”

It’s a fan page someone set up .. not Harry. I checked under the “about” page.

 

[mag]

It’s a fan page someone set up .. not Harry. I checked under the “about” page.

i thought it looked a bit off but I am useless at Facebook (at least that is what my kids tell me!)

 

[Judy]

i thought it looked a bit off but I am useless at Facebook (at least that is what my kids tell me!)

lol I can be like that too.

 

[aftershocks]

They could have back peddled and stayed "in the fold" if they didn't like the exit package.

That's your view, and it's quite easy for you to say that in your snippy, disdainful way without benefit of having experienced what the Sussexes have behind palace walls, as well as at the hands of the British press.

As far as M&H 'not liking the exit package,' it seems very clear from Harry's written statement last October and from his and Meghan's comments to Tom Bradby's queries in the South Africa documentary that this couple was quite prepared to leave the royal fold with nothing but their freedom, if it came to that. They made a bold and courageous stand, regardless of what Sussex naysayers and b**chy, overwrought British taxpayers think.

The amount of money that the Sussexes and their royal wedding has brought to the British economy means their existence has benefited British businesses, the royal firm, British taxpayers and the entire British populace well beyond any costs that go toward the Sussexes' security requirements. The British fashion industry has also hugely benefited by Meghan being a member of the royal family. One e.g., Meghan purposely wearing jeans by Hiut Denim on her and Harry's trip to Wales in early 2018, helped turn that company's fortunes around (and as well, the fortunes of the company's local community): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD-C8V8NNlo

I applaud the Sussexes for fighting for their own personal happiness and well being, and for their son's future. Their step back in order to forge a different life will enable them to do more and varied work on behalf of causes and of people in need whom they care so deeply about.

I'm increasingly perturbed by this "financially independent" commentary. Harry reportedly inherited £30m. He is already financially independent. Even if they spent £10m on a house... he's earning more in interest at rock bottom rates than I'll likely earn in a life time! Being "financially independent" means living within your means. Enough already. Time for Harry to take responsibility for his "financial independence" and Meghan (with her own wealth) to do her part - so the rest of us aren't footing their bills.

You've got it mixed up from what you are saying. First of all, what makes you so f'ing 'perturbed' by the Sussexes desiring to become financially independent!? You should more-so be worrying about the rest of the royal family, especially Prince Andrew's ongoing scandal, and his past questionable financial interactions as a representative of the monarchy. Worry about Peter Phillips' Chinese milk commercial; worry about the York family's financial dealings with a Chinese businessman; worry about Prince and Princess Michael of Kent making money independently while also occasionally officially representing the Queen.

We all know the Sussexes are already wealthy in their own rights, as are the Queen and Prince Charles. The Sussexes want to become financially independent of the monarchy and of the false whining narrative perpetuated by the British media, i.e., that they owe their lifestyle to British taxpayers, and that somehow by virtue of existing as a couple, they are beholden to British taxpayers.

Your being so 'perturbed' along with your personal dig about Harry's wealth betrays your overall fit of pique and your bone to pick with the Sussexes, no matter your initial disclaimer prior to taking jabs. Obviously, your being 'perturbed' about the Sussexes for whatever reason will never end, regardless of anything to do with where your tax money is going!

You will see from my posting history that by and large I'm supportive of H&M.

Not quite so much on the large end, apparently.

Zemgirl can you offer a cute pic of a non Brit royal child? I need something lighter than distribution of my taxes to kick off the rest of the day!!!

If you are actually concerned about distribution of your taxes, there's plenty you can do, starting with writing to your legislators and advocating for others to join you in formal protests. Hopefully, your protests will include being against the rest of the British royals' security costs being partially covered by your tax obligations. Hopefully, you will not continue being tied up in knots with perpetual moaning against the Sussexes. Heck, you and the rest of your ilk may as well vote the lot of the British royals out of their gilded cages. Why not? It's an archaic, increasingly anachronistic institution.

Meanwhile, it's easy enough for anyone to find cute pics of royal kids without asking Zemgirl for help.

The Absolute Cutest Royal Kid Moments of the Year

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38 Royal Kids Who Are About to Take Over the World

Prince George and Princess Charlotte are in good company.

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[aftershocks]

And your attack on Lorac because they drew a line on where they don't want their taxes spent is laughable and unduly rude.

Lorac is completely capable of speaking on Lorac's own behalf. I simply responded to what I view as Lorac's 'unduly rude and laughable' whining against the Sussexes.

I will just reiterate that I did wish Harry and Meghan all the best moving forward however their utter disdain and disrespect for the Queen and the good will of the GBP who did initial support them throughout this entire debacle of their own making has used up much of those good wishes.

The fact that you and mella both feel the need to make up-front statements about having good feelings toward the Sussexes is belied by the negativity of the rest of your blaming and finger-pointing. Why bother feigning any goodwill toward them, when it's obvious you harbor 'utter disdain and disrespect' for Meghan and Harry?

None of us know the personal interactions between the Queen and her grandson Harry and her granddaughter-in-law Meghan. We don't know how the Queen actually feels toward or about any members of her family, except for p.r. bs and spin by the palaces and speculation based on the royals' public interactions. You choose to believe that M&H harbor disdain and disrespect for the Queen. I choose to believe that it's more the gray men and KP taking the hard line against the Sussexes, and I sense that's chiefly who and what the Sussexes are pushing back against.

In my view, the Queen and Prince Charles are going along with courtier and KP status quo to a point, out of their mutual knee jerk need to preserve the monarchy. William represents the British monarchy's future, at least as things currently stand. There's no telling what will transpire after the Queen dies and Prince Charles' abbreviated reign begins.

 

[aftershocks]

... And if you must insist on repeating the oft stated argument by Sussex Stans on social media that the British Media had a 'scorched earth' reporting policy to Meghan from the start but especially during her pregnancy I suggest you show us some definitive proof on that argument instead of just stating it.

If you're really that interested, you are completely capable of finding this 'definitive proof' on your own. By now, you should have already seen your fill of it, especially since you are apparently British. Try being honest with yourself that 'definitive proof' is not what you're after. If it hit you in the face, which it surely has by now, you'd never see it, admit to it, or accept it, as you haven't.

The recent BuzzFeed article compiling headlines cooing over Kate during her pregnancies vs headlines damning and disparaging Meghan during her pregnancy was already posted by someone in the previous thread. And it's only the tip of the iceberg in terms of 'definitive proof.'

... The more I think of this, the more I think - would anyone approve of the idea of royalty saying they don't care what the public thinks and just taking the money of a nation and leaving overseas with it? All the talk of 'private income' is still money sourced from royal status and control of land. Plus then tens of millions of tax payers money each year in security? I just don't think that's acceptable in a modern context.

I get the impression Harry takes the whole arrangement whereby the public accepts the royal concept totally for granted. It's just dripping in privilege and entitlement. I think the family may be in for a rude shock when the Queen dies. She's the foundation holding this fragile system in place.

What do you mean 'taking the money of a nation and leaving overseas with it'? Meghan's and Harry's personal money does not belong to the British nation. The work that M&H have done on behalf of the British people, and organizations, and on behalf of the royal firm has been amazing and outstanding. And they will continue to be doing work on behalf of their British-based patronages, in addition to doing work for charitable causes around the world. What do you not get about the fact that M&H both desire to do more and varied work than they have been allowed as members of the royal family?

If you are referencing the Sussexes' security, please stop the incessant whining. If you are British, please follow the advice I offered to mella in this regard. There's plenty available for any peeved British taxpayer to do if they are so worried about their tax money. There's probably a lot you may not appreciate your tax money going toward besides the paltry sum you individually pay annually toward British royal security costs!

You don't seem to get the fact that it has never been Harry who 'accepts the royal concept'! He has never wanted to be royal, nor has William -- but they were born into it, and William has little choice as direct heir to the throne. While it may be inevitable on a human level that the born royals take wealth and social status for granted, Harry in particular has chafed at being a prince. He found his calling serving in the military, and in founding Sentebale with Prince Seeiso to benefit Botswanian orphans suffering from HIV and AIDS.

You don't seem to get the fact that Meghan and Harry are not interested in the perks of being royal. They are interested in having the freedom to enjoy a happy, independent life together raising their offspring and pursuing their mutual passion to make a positive difference in the world. It seems to me that some of you Sussex critics are fixated on M&H's wealth. Why is that? Meghan did not grow up wealthy. She had the good fortune of a nurtured upbringing, along with the gumption, the grit and the perseverance to build her own wealth, while also giving back to others from a young age. I suggest you go out and make your own money and stop with the envious whining. Try doing your own part to make a positive difference in your own world.

As far as the Queen fast approaching the end of her reign, the scrambling and squabbling behind-the-scenes in that regard began awhile ago, well before Meghan met Harry. If you took the time to view the documentary on the British royals (circa 2006 - 2008) that I linked a few pages back, you'd have noticed how the British monarchy has survived a number of 'rude shocks.' If anything, the anachronistic nature of the institution or something else exceedingly unexpected may be what ends up leading to the British monarchy's ultimate demise. The aforementioned documentary predicts it will all be over by the end of Charles' reign, if not before. But again, we don't know. So if you are a royals observer of any ilk, strap on your seat belts.

 

[mella]

That's your view, and it's quite easy for you to say that in your snippy, disdainful way without benefit of having experienced what the Sussexes have behind palace walls, as well as at the hands of the British press.

As far as M&H 'not liking the exit package,' it seems very clear from Harry's written statement last October and from his and Meghan's comments to Tom Bradby's queries in the South Africa documentary that this couple was quite prepared to leave the royal fold with nothing but their freedom, if it came to that. They made a bold and courageous stand, regardless of what Sussex naysayers and b**chy, overwrought British taxpayers think.

It is easy for me to say it. But the reality is we all have choices. They have made theirs. Not one of us on this good earth gets everything we want from every situation we encounter.

For the record I am not a Sussex naysayer. I am firmly a supporter. I'm a black british woman who was relieved to see Meghan apparently welcomed into the Royal family (early Christmas invite etc) whilst being apprehensive about how some sections of the British public and press would react and treat her. And about how she would be treated within the RF once the public smiles and hand-waving were over.

I was horrified by the disrespect shown by some members of the RF during their wedding. I have been disgusted by the tone of a significant amount of the press coverage of Meghan and Harry since their wedding. I have argued with people (including in earlier version of this thread) about the inherent racism in some of the criticisms being levelled at Meghan and about the covert racism in Britain in general.

Seeing the two of them quite clearly being used as "cover" for Andrew's transgressions turned my stomach. Seeing the way Meghan has been treated by some people, publications and broadcasters has been distressing, depressing and a whole host of other things.

I have been disappointed but not surprised by a lot of things that have been said and done where Meghan is concerned.

I think the choices they are making are in their best interest and believe they have anticipated the fact that Charles's expected "slim down" of the RF will mean their services will only really be relevant until William's children grow up and have chosen to take matters into their own hands and attempt to cut their own paths. I respect that hugely.

None of that means I cannot also have a view on them meeting their own security costs.

I am not disdainful of any of Meghan's experiences, as much as anything because I was born a black woman in Britain and I have no illusions about what that means. And Meghan has had to play her role in the full glare of press and public. So don't presume to use terms such as "bitchy" and "disdainful" in reference to anything I've said about Meghan.

You've got it mixed up from what you are saying. First of all, what makes you so f'ing 'perturbed' by the Sussexes desiring to become financially independent!? You should more-so be worrying about the rest of the royal family, especially Prince Andrew's ongoing scandal, and his past questionable financial interactions as a representative of the monarchy. Worry about Peter Phillips' Chinese milk commercial; worry about the York family's financial dealings with a Chinese businessman; worry about Prince and Princess Michael of Kent making money independently while also occasionally officially representing the Queen.

We all know the Sussexes are already wealthy in their own rights, as are the Queen and Prince Charles. The Sussexes want to become financially independent of the monarchy and of the false whining narrative perpetuated by the British media, i.e., that they owe their lifestyle to British taxpayers, and that somehow by virtue of existing as a couple, they are beholden to British taxpayers.

Your being so 'perturbed' along with your personal dig about Harry's wealth betrays your overall fit of pique and your bone to pick with the Sussexes, no matter your initial disclaimer prior to taking jabs. Obviously, your being 'perturbed' about the Sussexes for whatever reason will never end, regardless of anything to do with where your tax money is going!

I have no idea why you find the idea of financial independence equating to meeting their own security cost so offensive. Because at its root that was the main message in my original post.

You keep telling us how they are both wealthy in their own right (despite the fact that as you say we all already know it). My saying so wasn't any more a "dig" than you saying so. It's a statement fact regardless of who said it.

I'm not perturbed by the idea that they desire to be independent. If I were in Meghan's shoes I'd want to be far away from the treatment she has been subjected to. I'm perturbed by the use of the phrase "become financially independent" because (per my original post) Harry already is (or at least has the means to be so as a result of inheritance etc) and so is Meghan. By the way that's not a jab. It's just a fact.

I respect and support their decision to break away and really hope it works out for them. Because that will be the best "finger" they can give to the British press, those online trolls who have behaved so badly and indeed anyone within the RF who contributed to them feeling their position was untenable.

If you are actually concerned about distribution of your taxes, there's plenty you can do, starting with writing to your legislators and advocating for others to join you in formal protests. Hopefully, your protests will include being against the rest of the British royals' security costs being partially covered by your tax obligations. Hopefully, you will not continue being tied up in knots with perpetual moaning against the Sussexes.

Thank you for your advice, patronising as it might be. However, believe me I already know exactly where to go and do plenty for my part to make my voice heard on any number of topics including taxes, the NHS, Brexit, racism in the UK and Andrew amongst many other issues. Not that my representations will make any difference.

The fact that you consider my having a view regarding funding of security to be "perpetual moaning" only shows how blinkered you are on this topic.

And my @ to Zemgirl was a joke which she will I'm sure have understood.

 

[MsZem]

This is a pretty stupid article about the big news that the Princess of Orange apparently had her ears pierced, but her father's take on being the parent of a royal child is really good:

You must first get to know yourself through and through. That's what I am constantly emphasizing with Amalia," Willem-Alexander told Dutch author Wilfried de Jong. "I keep saying: know your own limits. Go everywhere. Make mistakes, as far as possible out of the eyes of the public. I did that, a lot. Festivals, parties everything and more - find your boundaries. It is a good thing to do, without doing it in the public domain."