RIP HM Queen Elizabeth II

Karen-W said:
Except that it's my understanding that in the UK, veterans don't wear their uniforms for public ceremonies. So, neither Andrew nor Harry should be wearing their uniforms since they lost their honorary military appointments when they stepped away from being active working royals.
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Even if that is true, it does not explain why, unlike with Prince Phillip, some are going to be wearing military uniforms and some are not. It definitely does not explain why Andrew reportedly is being given an exception and Harry is not.

It looks bad. It looks bad to give Andrew an exception given the reasons he is not working. It's like saying that behaving in the abhorrent manner that Andrew did is not nearly as bad as Harry wanting a smaller public role, to protect his wife and children, and to respond to media reports (that largely come from the palace). It looks like a vengeful and petty attempt to hurt Harry and to use the Queen's funeral of all things to do so.
 
Allskate said:
Even if that is true, it does not explain why, unlike with Prince Phillip, some are going to be wearing military uniforms and some are not. It definitely does not explain why Andrew reportedly is being given an exception and Harry is not.

It looks bad. It looks bad to give Andrew an exception given the reasons he is not working. It's like saying that behaving in the abhorrent manner that Andrew did is not nearly as bad as Harry wanting a smaller public role, to protect his wife and children, and to respond to media reports (that largely come from the palace). It looks like a vengeful and petty attempt to hurt Harry and to use the Queen's funeral of all things to do so.
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How does it not explain why Charles, Anne and Edward were wearing uniforms and Andrew was not? Anne and Edward hold honorary colonel-general appointments and are entitled to wear uniforms, and Charles actually DID serve in the Navy (though he did not see combat, obviously).

The British public (and rumor has is the military itself, including many veterans) have ZERO desire to see Andrew in uniform after the Epstein scandal fallout and that horrific TV interview he gave a couple years ago. And, Harry isn't far behind Andrew as far as the British public is concerned, given the way he chose to leave for the US. It's a real pity they're now being made to suffer the consequences of their actions and choices. Perhaps they wouldn't have their feelings hurt now had they been taught, much earlier in life, that there is, for a consequence for every action. Both of them have sailed through life, with little more than a slap on the wrist for poor choices. Sucks to be them now that the public is done fed up with both of them.

ETA - I know that it's being reported that Andrew will be allowed to wear his uniform at the Princes Vigil at Westminster Hall. So far, there hasn't been any confirmation that the grandchildren will also hold a vigil. If it comes to pass that they hold one as well, it might be that William opts to forego a uniform since none of their cousins have served. Or, Harry is allowed to wear one just for that occasion as well. At this point, no one knows whether or not there is some sort of special treatment for Andrew that Harry won't also be afforded.
 
Karen-W said:
How does it not explain why Charles, Anne and Edward were wearing uniforms and Andres was not?
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I wasn't talking about what happened today in Edinburgh. I was talking about reports, discussed above in this thread, that Andrew reportedly will be allowed to wear a military uniform at Westminster in London.

news.yahoo.com

Harry not allowed to wear military uniform at events mourning death of Queen - but Andrew can

Prince Harry will not be permitted to wear military uniform while Prince Andrew will.
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I find it appalling to lump Andrew's conduct and Harry's conduct together. It is even worse to suggest that Harry's behavior is worse than Andrew's.
 
news.yahoo.com

Harry not allowed to wear military uniform at events mourning death of Queen - but Andrew can

Prince Harry will not be permitted to wear military uniform while Prince Andrew will.
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The Duke of Sussex will not be allowed to wear military uniforms to events commemorating the Queen, Yahoo News UK understands - even though Prince Andrew has been given permission to wear his at the final vigil in Westminster Hall as a "special mark of respect".

On Monday, it emerged that the Duke of York will be back in military uniform for the last vigil around the Queen's coffin while it sits in Westminster Hall.
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This one is a little more clear:

www.newsweek.com

Prince Harry and Andrew Uniform Ruling Is 'Deplorable Double Standards'

Prince Harry has been banned from wearing his military uniform to Queen Elizabeth II's funeral while disgraced Prince Andrew will wear his at a vigil.
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Only working royals have been given permission to wear a military uniform to Elizabeth's funeral on September 19.

That means Prince Harry and Prince Andrew, the only living royals to serve on the front line, will have to wear suits.

However, Andrew, the Duke of York, who was accused of rape in a civil lawsuit in New York, will be allowed to wear his military uniform at the final vigil in Westminster Hall. He denied the rape allegation and settled out of court while admitting no liability.

No such opportunity in donning his military attire has been found for Harry, whose Invictus Games tournament for wounded service men and women regularly brings the armed forces community together.
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Karen-W said:
How does it not explain why Charles, Anne and Edward were wearing uniforms and Andrew was not? Anne and Edward hold honorary colonel-general appointments and are entitled to wear uniforms, and Charles actually DID serve in the Navy (though he did not see combat, obviously).

The British public (and rumor has is the military itself, including many veterans) have ZERO desire to see Andrew in uniform after the Epstein scandal fallout and that horrific TV interview he gave a couple years ago. And, Harry isn't far behind Andrew as far as the British public is concerned, given the way he chose to leave for the US. It's a real pity they're now being made to suffer the consequences of their actions and choices. Perhaps they wouldn't have their feelings hurt now had they been taught, much earlier in life, that there is, for a consequence for every action. Both of them have sailed through life, with little more than a slap on the wrist for poor choices. Sucks to be them now that the public is done fed up with both of them.
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Please don't insult us by implying that British people think that there is any equivalence between how Harry has behaved in the last couple of years and the crimes Andrew is alleged to have committed.

FYI - the most recent YouGov UK public attitude survey has a net balance of opinion for Harry at -25, and Andrew at -82. There is no comparison.
 
ballettmaus said:
Why does Andrew deserve a "special mark of respect"? And why would he deserve it and not Harry? Harry didn't socialize with a sex offender.
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I read that as a special mark of respect to his mother, not to Andrew (who deserves none).

Personally I find it odd for anyone to wear a uniform unless they're active duty; I still have my rank/unit insignia, but haven't put on anything military since my service ended. But obviously different people and countries will have different approaches to this.
 
Allskate said:
I wasn't talking about what happened today in Edinburgh. I was talking about reports, discussed above in this thread, that Andrew reportedly will be allowed to wear a military uniform at Westminster in London.

news.yahoo.com

Harry not allowed to wear military uniform at events mourning death of Queen - but Andrew can

Prince Harry will not be permitted to wear military uniform while Prince Andrew will.
news.yahoo.com news.yahoo.com

I find it appalling to lump Andrew's conduct and Harry's conduct together. It is even worse to suggest that Harry's behavior is worse than Andrew's
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MsZem said:
I read that as a special mark of respect to his mother, not to Andrew (who deserves none).

Personally I find it odd for anyone to wear a uniform unless they're active duty; I still have my rank/unit insignia, but haven't put on anything military since my service ended. But obviously different people and countries will have different approaches to this.
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But out of respect for you and your service if you wanted to wear your uniform you should be able to do so. And no one should be so disrespectful to challenge you on that. Harry was deployed and it was kept quiet as Afghanistan was not a safe place. He served honorably. He has done nothing since his service to disgrace his uniform. Choosing to quit your job and move on to a different life has no bearing on the years of service in the military.
 
Cachoo said:
But out of respect for you and your service if you wanted to wear your uniform you should be able to do so.
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In fact I couldn't, because you need special approval to wear an IDF uniform if you're not on active duty.

As I noted, obviously different people and countries will have different approaches to this. I don't know what the rules are in the UK.
 
MsZem said:
In fact I couldn't, because you need special approval to wear an IDF uniform if you're not on active duty.

As I noted, obviously different people and countries will have different approaches to this. I don't know what the rules are in the UK.
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It boggles for me—that a family who has so much ceremonial regalia would deny someone his military uniform when he actually served. I’m returning to news about the Queen but I will be smh if they deny Harry this simple request.
 
Do we know for certain that Harry was denied wearing uniform or if it is his choice to not wear it?
 
As a mark of special respect both to The Queen and to The King, could we perhaps get off the subject of arguing about other members of the family, about the application of proper protocol, etc. :)

Every country has its own ways of doing things. Some of them get "flexed" over time. That is up to those making the decisions.
 
victorskid said:
As a mark of special respect both to The Queen and to The King, could we perhaps get off the subject of arguing about other members of the family, about the application of proper protocol, etc. :)

Every country has its own ways of doing things. Some of them get "flexed" over time. That is up to those making the decisions.
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Agree, can the Harry and Andrew stuff go in their respective threads please.
 
skategal said:
In Canada a National Day of Mourning for the Queen will be held September 19.

It will be a holiday for everyone.

Just saw the announcement come across breaking news.

Eta. I spoke too soon. It will be a Federal Holiday. Still waiting for provinces to follow suit to have a holiday for all.

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Im curious, practically, how that works? Like stuff is scheduled for that day. I got the news alert while I was sitting at a Service Canada office and all those people with appointments that day who have waited weeks just for an appointment are going to be screwed over. I get the sentiment behind it and don’t disagree with it in principle but a national holiday with less than a weeks notice seems impractical.
 
made_in_canada said:
Im curious, practically, how that works? Like stuff is scheduled for that day. I got the news alert while I was sitting at a Service Canada office and all those people with appointments that day who have waited weeks just for an appointment are going to be screwed over. I get the sentiment behind it and don’t disagree with it in principle but a national holiday with less than a weeks notice seems impractical.
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There’s no way Trudeau was going to take the heat for not having a day of mourning for the longest serving Monarch. Plus the Queen is “one of his favourite people.”

It sucks for those who had appointments scheduled though.

We are hosting in person national meetings at work here next week so I was glad the day off doesn’t coincide with that. :lol:
 
Louis said:
Per BBC, it looks like the Queen's coffin is either going to come right down either my street or the next one over (I can't quite tell from the map). https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62861617

I'm cancelling my meetings with the US, sorry not sorry.
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Sky News had a detailed map - they said the following roads: A40 - Eastbourne Terrace - Bayswater Rd - Marble Arch - Park Ln - Hyde Park Corner - Constitution Hill - Buckingham Palace. Hope that helps you figure out where the procession will pass, and I hope you have an opportunity to see it.
 
skategal said:
In Canada a National Day of Mourning for the Queen will be held September 19.

It will be a holiday for everyone.

Just saw the announcement come across breaking news.

Eta. I spoke too soon. It will be a Federal Holiday. Still waiting for provinces to follow suit to have a holiday for all.

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Quebec is NOT making it a provincial holiday - I don't believe they have even proclaimed the new King yet. :(
 
I've given myself a holiday on Monday. At 4:30 am, I'll be at my sister's door and we'll watch together. It starts at 5am CST, I believe.
 
made_in_canada said:
Im curious, practically, how that works? Like stuff is scheduled for that day. I got the news alert while I was sitting at a Service Canada office and all those people with appointments that day who have waited weeks just for an appointment are going to be screwed over. I get the sentiment behind it and don’t disagree with it in principle but a national holiday with less than a weeks notice seems impractical.
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It was expected though.
 
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