Repercussions of Papadakis' book & Cizeron's response

[Willin]

@MacMadame Which is what is making me side-eye IAM so hard. Sorensen is one of the FEW skaters that had enough evidence against them to be banned and yet IAM is allowing him at the rink.

 

[Katha]

I think not going against the dominant coaching camp just crops up again and again and again, not only in dance, though it may be entrenched in a way there because of the political nature of the sport. I remember all the articles praising the wonder of Canton, how beautiful and perfect everything there was....until it all imploded.

 

[Karen-W]

@MacMadame Which is what is making me side-eye IAM so hard. Sorensen is one of the FEW skaters that had enough evidence against them to be banned and yet IAM is allowing him at the rink.

Do we know this for certain? What we know is that he's traveled with Lolo & Gui to at least two of their competitions - GPdF and Europeans. Is there any in Montreal who knows if IAM is allowing him to work with FBCiz in any capacity? I thought I read something after the suspension about him possibly working at the gym where he & Lolo trained - which wouldn't preclude him from working with Lolo & Gui, but it's not the same as being allowed at the rink by IAM.

 

[MacMadame]

Do we know this for certain? What we know is that he's traveled with Lolo & Gui to at least two of their competitions - GPdF and Europeans. Is there any in Montreal who knows if IAM is allowing him to work with FBCiz in any capacity? I thought I read something after the suspension about him possibly working at the gym where he & Lolo trained - which wouldn't preclude him from working with Lolo & Gui, but it's not the same as being allowed at the rink by IAM.

Based on what I have read... in the beginning, he seemed to be involved with the team's training in some capacity based on gossip coming out of IAM. But at some point, people weren't talking about the team at IAM and the only recent sightings are those of him in the audience and people who were there saying he's at this and that competition.

I don't pretend to know what is going on. I'm not at IAM and people who are don't seem to be gossiping about this team anymore like they were in the early days.

Also, my original post was not saying anything about whether or not he's coaching right now because I don't know. I was saying that we can't tell if he's allowed to coach based on whether or not he's at the rink coaching (if he even is), because in NA, people do coach "on the sly". IOW, it's a logic thing - A doesn't prove B. It doesn't prove Not B either. It doesn't prove anything. I guess that was confusing to people and some thought I was making a claim about his current status with this team.

 

[SnowQueen11]

My impression about Sorensen situation is that IAM has decided to be smart and have him not involved in anything during this launch and Olympic season because they already have enough problems and distractions.
I don’t see any legal sensible reason why he should not be allowed to attend competitions as a member of public.
Now, if this is smart, actually for his longtime partner and her situation… that’s another topic

It wasn’t very smart for her to proclaim she supports her boyfriend 100% because she “knows” him — apparently he was banned when she said that in the Netflix doc. No reason she needed to go that far - I don’t think she even knew Nik when the rape occurred. There’s no way for her to know what happened. Plus, there was enough evidence to ban him. She’s just choosing to ignore that….

 

[Miezekatze]

I really disliked my how Laurence came across in the Netflix shows first episode, yikes.

 

[Habs]

I really disliked my how Laurence came across in the Netflix shows first episode, yikes.

Same

 

[Badams]

I really disliked my how Laurence came across in the Netflix shows first episode, yikes.

Yeah. Same. I started with a really open mind, as I have very little knowledge of her. But yeah, yikes indeed.

 

[Karen-W]

I really disliked my how Laurence came across in the Netflix shows first episode, yikes.

I don't think she did herself any favors in any of the episodes.

 

[Sylvia]

Sorensen is one of the FEW skaters that had enough evidence against them to be banned and yet IAM is allowing him at the rink.

Plus, there was enough evidence to ban him.

What is "enough evidence" referring to?

Saw on X that Papadakis read and liked this essay, Is Olympic Ice Dance like a Bravo Show or a Cult Documentary?:

Is Olympic Ice Dance like a Bravo Show or a Cult Documentary?

Olympic figure skating reads a lot like a Bravo show.

rosedeightonmohammed.substack.com

 

[Bigbird]

Yeah. Same. I started with a really open mind, as I have very little knowledge of her. But yeah, yikes indeed.

Hmm indeed. Need we anymore evidence to support Gabby's claims?

 

[SnowQueen11]

What is "enough evidence" referring to?

Saw on X that Papadakis read and liked this essay, Is Olympic Ice Dance like a Bravo Show or a Cult Documentary?:

Is Olympic Ice Dance like a Bravo Show or a Cult Documentary?

Olympic figure skating reads a lot like a Bravo show.

rosedeightonmohammed.substack.com

When people say there was “enough evidence” to ban him, they mean that a full investigation was conducted. Witnesses were interviewed, and text messages and other communications were reviewed. Based on those findings, he was banned.

His appeal was not about the evidence itself, but about jurisdiction. That jurisdictional ruling is now being appealed, and once jurisdiction is resolved, the ban will likely be reinstated.

No one receives a six-year ban based solely on a “he said, she said” situation. The length of the ban indicates that investigators found sufficient evidence and corroboration during the investigation to support the allegation.