Papadakis/Cizeron #6 - Season's Over - Let's Get Drunk!

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I really don't like what's been happening to this thread in the last couple of days...

Guys, please, stop! It's over: the Games are over, the Worlds are over, the whole season is over. It's been a rollercoaster with many amazing moments as well as some heartbreaking ones. But it's over. Some of you don't want Gabi and Guillaume to stay in Montreal. Some of you do. Alright, that's perfectly fine. Now, as, hopefully, everyone's expressed his opinion (esp on this matter) let's leave it up to Gabriella and Guillaume themselves, shall we? ;)
 
chantilly said:
All I can say is P and C fans: Welcome to the world of insane Uber fan comments.
You’ve been pretty safe up to this point.

Irrational Uber fans make it zero fun a lot of times.

Luckily for you, for the future, P and C are so much better then most of their competitors that you might be saved.
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None of this is new to us since I'm guessing some of the irrational uber fans you're referencing have graced this thread with their presence. There were certainly some special people here right after the Olympics dance event.
 
kirkbiggestfan said:
The other reason would be Didier of course. Didier does not have as much bargaining power anymore$$$. But he will cut the funding if he wants them far away from their competitors.
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Gailhaguet's modus operandi is to support only skaters who already have very good results. He brags about this so called "logic" at every occasion he's given. Although he's known to have no logic at all and to be a fickle dictator, I doubt he'd cut their funding now. It's the first time since Anissinat/Peizerat he has such good ice dancers in his team and P/C are already way ahead of their predecessors in terms of results (and in many other terms too IMO).

barbarafan said:
The coaching talent is there..the skating talent is there... it is the management that sucks.Hopefully that will change in the near future so kids do not have to leave home.
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I do hope it will change yes. But that being said, kids leaving home to pursue their career and dream is something very common in sports. Either you're lucky enough to have all what you need within reach, or you have to move to get it and sometimes (often) it's impossible to move the entire family so the kid/athlete has to leave home.

Twilight1 said:
So he is behind closed doors with them at all times?... Interesting.
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Haven't followed who this is about, but sure, knowing MFD, PL and RH a tiny bit (mainly RH), anyone constantly or even occasionally behind closed doors at Gadbois would certainly not post here. Or maybe once or twice before being declared persona non grata + being chucked out from the centre. Wittering on what happens behind closed doors is the best way never to be told + able to witness anything again. That goes for everyone and every club or center. Along the years I have seen a lot of people first worshipping skaters and their coaches, then turning very harsh towards them once they had no longer access to privy infos. In a sense, it's very human because being cut off from people you admire is frustrating, but you have to make a choice between impressing other fans and being trusted. It can't go together. I wish that figure skating was a more open world than it is, not to learn about indiscreet stuff, but so fans wouldn't come down to speculations, some of them being, unwittingly most of the time, totally beside the point.
 
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What do people think of an Arabian based program? I guess it does not fall in line with "upbeat" but I think P&C could capture the intricacies of the movement so well.
 
Twilight1 said:
What do people think of an Arabian based program? I guess it does not fall in line with "upbeat" but I think P&C could capture the intricacies of the movement so well.
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Not Arabian, but I thought about Bollywood for the 2019-2020 RD (hey, still musicals !) after someone mentionned it, but I don't think anyone is too keen on doing a Bollywood after D/W's.
And for a whole FD, to my own taste of course, it seems very... long.
 
Anyasnake said:
Not Arabian, but I thought about Bollywood for the 2019-2020 RD (hey, still musicals !) after someone mentionned it, but I don't think anyone is too keen on doing a Bollywood after D/W's.
And for a whole FD, to my own taste of course, it seems very... long.
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G&P's '97 Fd is one of my favourites. It would take some searching but I am sure if anyone could find something perfect for P&C it would be Marie-France.

I found this... (not suggesting them per se)

https://youtu.be/o0lwmpkpCDI

https://youtu.be/0SL75_cfa4o
 
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Twilight1 said:
G&P's '97 Fd is one of my favourites. It would take some searching but I am sure if anyone could find something perfect for P&C it would be Marie-France.

I found this... (not suggesting them per se)

https://youtu.be/o0lwmpkpCDI

https://youtu.be/0SL75_cfa4o
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I don't know if it has been done before but I would love a FD on Natacha Atlas music. Particularly, this haunting piece. Coupled with something more upbeat like this one or this one. And just for the pleasure this epic one. Finally for a French touch this lovely one about a rose.

Talking about Karine Arribert, the junior dance couple trained by her, Demougeot/LeMercier, had an interesting music choice for their FD this year: Light of the seven is from Game of Thrones and Strange from Apollo Geeze. It's in the spirit of their infamous Woodkid FD pre-Gadbois which many loved, I know I do. I've always wondered how, with their present maturity and skill level, they would interpret such an FD based on an edgy music like that. So it could be indeed interesting to see P/C's take on her inspiring music and choreography choices.
 
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cocotaffy said:
Talking about Karine Arribert, the junior dance couple trained by her, Demougeot/LeMercier, had an interesting music choice for their FD this year: Light of the seven is from Game of Thrones
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For the record, our one and only MarieM is the one who came up with the idea (MarieM and Karine + yours truly are friends and discuss music often)

That can sound "easy" and trivial but I would like P/C to go down to Gabriella's roots and skate to Greek music. Or to a song a capella. They are musical enough themselves, they do create music with their moves, they don't need instruments to play the music, a voice would enough of a support for a P/C dance program.

Talking about Jacques Higelin, this morning I read something he said and immediately thought of P/C whose ice dancing illustrates his idea perfectly: "You need to touch pure emotion and you can never achieve this by force and demonstration, but [only] through self-abandonment, trust, in-depth reflection, with looking within you".
 
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cholla said:
For the record, our one and only MarieM is the one who came up with the idea (MarieM and Karine + yours truly are friends and discuss music often)

That can sound "easy" and trivial but I would like P/C to go down to Gabriella's roots and skate to Greek music. Or to a song a capella. They are musical enough themselves, they do create music with their moves, they don't need instruments to play the music, a voice would enough of a support for a P/C dance program.
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The music has to have an audible beat. You can't skate to an acappella track within the rules of ice dance.

"Music for Free Dance may be vocal and must be suitable for Ice Dance as a sport discipline. - Music must have an audible rhythmic beat and melody, or audible rhythmic beat alone, but not melody alone, and may be vocal. - Music may be without audible rhythmic beat up to 10 seconds at beginning or end of program - Music may be without audible rhythmic beat up to 10 seconds during the program - Music must have at least one obvious change of tempo/rhythm and expression. This change may be gradual or immediate, but in either case it must be obvious. - Music including classical music must be cut/edited, orchestrated or arranged in a way that it creates an interesting, colorful, entertaining dance program with different dance moods or a building effect. - Music must be suitable for the Couple's skating skills and technical ability."
 
Icetigger said:
Ok........... I don't think it would work, but it's your fantasy
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Ice dancers have had stranger ideas, dancing to the sound of blades only and it worked just fine (as an exhbition that is). Are we allowed to mention only music that can be used in competition, being all serious and tense like we were the ones who will chose for real with our life depending on it, or can we lighten up a bit ? :cool::rollin: I know rules of ice dance quite well, if I want to discuss them and what is actually feasable within their lines, I'll switch to the GSD.
 
cholla said:
For the record, our one and only MarieM is the one who came up with the idea (MarieM and Karine + yours truly are friends and discuss music often)

That can sound "easy" and trivial but I would like P/C to go down to Gabriella's roots and skate to Greek music. Or to a song a capella. They are musical enough themselves, they do create music with their moves, they don't need instruments to play the music, a voice would enough of a support for a P/C dance program.

Talking about Jacques Higelin, this morning I read something he said and immediately thought of P/C whose ice dancing illustrates his idea perfectly: "You need to touch pure emotion and you can never achieve this by force and demonstration, but [only] through self-abandonment, trust, in-depth reflection, with looking within you".
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Congrats to MarieM then. If you three are friends, could you propose your great Exhibition idea on the a capella Greek song to them ? I don't know if they enjoy being given music advices though. Some look for it them, others ... They also mentioned loving the idea of skating on silence, I wish they would do it in an Ex. T/D did at the beginning of a gala but for a short period of time.
Nice quote and very fitting concerning P/C.
 
cocotaffy said:
I don't know if they enjoy being given music advices though.
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My best bet is no :lol: In Milano, a friend and I asked RH if he'd coach us should we decide to do pairs and he said yes of course :saint: (he wasn't even bothered by the fact that, considering our morphological differences, I'd have to do the lifts :rofl: ) so I can always tell him about the Greek a capella next time our path cross ;)
 
cholla said:
Ice dancers have had stranger ideas, dancing to the sound of blades only and it worked just fine (as an exhbition that is). Are we allowed to mention only music that can be used in competition, being all serious and tense like we were the ones who will chose for real with our life depending on it, or can we lighten up a bit ? :cool::rollin: I know rules of ice dance quite well, if I want to discuss them and what is actually feasable within their lines, I'll switch to the GSD.
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No need. I just think you'd end up with a sloppy mess whether in competition or exhibition, where the skaters are upstaged by the vocal. Without knowing specifically what vocal track you mean, it is hard to tell, as acapella include beat boxing nowadays, but I guess you didn't mean that. In general I don't like programmes that are the fleshing out of an "intellectual" conceit. I also don't like the doing a style approach (that's for the short dance, in my book, and even then I think depth should be added) As I said, it's your fantasy......
 
Icetigger said:
as acapella include beat boxing nowadays
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By definition, a cappella doesn't include anything. At all.
I don't like programmes that are the fleshing out of an "intellectual" conceit.
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A cappella singing has nothing to do with the interpretation of intellectual concepts. But that's beside the point.
As I said, it's your fantasy......
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Yes, yes it is ! Thank you for allowing me to have some :cheer2: I have already duly noted that you think it's a shitty one :lol: And I'm not offended, I'm not taking this seriously at all. If I was, I wouldn't discuss it here, I'd tell P/C or/and RH. And I'd be rightfully told to urgently mind my own business :rofl: Again, lighten up ! I'm having fun throwing ideas around, this is not the International P/C's next FD contest !
 
No, acapella can include everything as mimicked by the human voice. So that includes beat-boxing, and the possibility of an audible beat. Metaphorically speaking, acapella includes everything. It isn't just a monophonic discipline, either.
Beyond that there is pitch-shifting, time stretching and the application of all manner effects that can be applied to a vocal track. Even a likely recorded a cappella track of just a sung vocal line would likely have some effect put upon it, such as a small amount of reverb and compression and not be without anything. (you got there first Firstflight)

No, but justifying the idea based on skaters having "stranger ideas" is laying out the idea that it would be an intellectual conceit worth exploring.

I like good ideas. I don't think a sung acapella monophonic vocal line (which is what I think you mean) would function as a support to P/C's skating; I think the opposite would be true- i.e. that P/C's skating would be rendered secondary- and that there would likely be timing issues (although that would also upon how it was recorded; but also whether there was a studio tidying of the timing of the track if it was not exact to time). I think of a moment in a recent FD (not theirs) where the track goes relatively silent and the couple perform twizzles to two instrumental moments that come out of nowhere. In performance I could see the couple look at each other and perform those twizzles upon the instruction of the music, rather than with the music, whereas an ongoing audible beat behind the music would have likely resolved those issues (and that was a likely quantised track, rather than a non quantised one) It would be very hard not to make that the case through a complete programme of a monophonic sung melody line (but it also depends on the melody line: the more regular and resemblent of a rhythm or beat the better)
 
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IloveFS said:
I guess my point is that they should try a completely different style that isn't their trademark. They have a potential fan here if they vary their choreography and programs....
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I have to admit a soft spot for "There are worse things I could do" "look at me I'm sandra dee" and "Beauty school drop out" (clearly I'm a Rizzo fan). Grease is also a very fun musical (and the cast look like they had a great time making it) and P/C did fun better than anyone in this year's sd, so maybe you are right (and now I'm remembering just how great a dancer Travolta was, I'm even more convinced)
 
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firstflight said:
Maybe you didn't know what beat-boxing is? But a cappella music definitely includes beat-boxing nowadays. That's what Kevin does in Pentatonix, for example.
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Yes I know what beatboxing is. I took courses in classical singing for years and a cappella existed long before beatboxing. It was once religious chants accompagnied by organ or monodic instruments then it became voices only before it went back to voice + rhythm played by humans and or instruments. (Very) roughly. A cappella etymologically comes from Italian alla cappella = "in the chapel" in reference to the choirs of Sistine chapel, were songs were performed without instruments. If I had meant beatboxing, I would have said beatboxing, or a cappella beatboxing as in Rahzel and Fat Boys. Yes I'm that ancient :lol: I even owned a Korg with a beatbox and knew how to operate a Roland machine (now I'm past ancient I'm mummified :wuzrobbed ) I probably should have said "a cappella stricto sensus", consequently looking past mummified : all dust...

Icetigger you should definitely lighten up before your arteries all clog up. Breath. Smile. Laugh. Fart !! (The first one who can provide me with an accurate translation of "pète un coup ça décoince" wins her/his weight in home made macarons and cookies... :D )
 
cholla said:
I have this one in my MP3 along with this. My fave Pentatonix song is "Somebody that I used to know". I even prefer it to the original version by Gotye.
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Holy crap that is so good!! I consider myself a pretty good singer with solid technique but what some people can do vocally makes my skills look like a preschooler...

I have already downloaded a few of these suggestions.
 
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