Olympic Events: Held Mid-Day?

[VGThuy]

Except short track and figure skating are only being held twice on the same day during this Olympics.

Thanks for providing all the facts in this thread. It’s pretty clear that this was done only because NBC wanted it done this way because they didn’t want their prime time coverage to be undercut by spoilers and having the results announced online before most Americans can watch the events.

 

[allezfred]

Thanks for providing all the facts in this thread. It’s pretty clear that this was done only because NBC wanted it done this way because they didn’t want their prime time coverage to be undercut by spoilers and having the results announced online before most Americans can watch the events.

You’re welcome!

 

[Sk8yDad]

I'm sure that Japanese, Chinese, Russian, and various European skaters are excited to play their part in providing promotional opportunities for US skaters.

If they want to skate in US exhibitions or promote a product sold in the US, the answer is "Yes!"

 

[MsZem]

If they want to skate in US exhibitions or promote a product sold in the US, the answer is "Yes!"

Sure. European skaters are often given opportunities to promote US products. I am sure I saw Yagudin in some Super Bowl commercial back in the day.

The good exhibitions these days are in Japan.

 

[Skittl1321]

The good exhibitions these days are in Japan.

But Japan didn't pony up the money for the Olympics. They could outbid NBC and then Americans would have to settle for whatever schedule they came up with.

 

[Sk8yDad]

Sure. European skaters are often given opportunities to promote US products. I am sure I saw Yagudin in some Super Bowl commercial back in the day.

The good exhibitions these days are in Japan.

Paramount Blades (US product) promoted Javier Fernandez

 

[MsZem]

Paramount Blades (US product) promoted Javier Fernandez

That will certainly cover his retirement.

Many skaters have some kind of relationship with blade/skate manufacturers. There are North American skaters who are prominently featured on Edea's website, for instance - and that's an Italian company. Surely this is not what you meant by Olympic-driven promotional opportunities?

But Japan didn't pony up the money for the Olympics. They could outbid NBC and then Americans would have to settle for whatever schedule they came up with.

Broadcast bids don't just cover figure skating, or even just the winter games.

 

[Carolla5501]

I hate to say this, but

Broadcast bids don't just cover figure skating, or even just the winter games.

No, the IOC bids entire series of games at a time. And he who writes the big check gets the biggest input. So if Japan, Russia etc want to dictate the schedule.... it's not that hard to figure out how to do it. Not sure why everyone thinks NBC should pay for something and then allow us all to watch it before on the internet which cuts into the revenue?

NBC has to sell advertising time to pay for the games. Advertisers know Americans will be less likely to watch if the results are already known (and in some cases broadcast) It's that simple

 

[Skittl1321]

Broadcast bids don't just cover figure skating, or even just the winter games.

And the schedule isn't just about figure skating either. They are not the only daytime event.

 

[misskarne]

Many US skaters are hoping to "cash in" on their hard work and success in the sport by being actually seen in primetime. Competing in the morning may be a little inconvenient but certainly worth it for them.

Oh yay. How great for them.

Meanwhile, skaters from the smallest skating countries, which makes the monetary support of skating in the US look lavish and luxurious, are consigned to being invisible during the one time every four years their sport has any kind of visibility. I'm sure Brendan, Kailani, Katia and Harley were hoping that an Asian Olympics might mean they get some prime-time showing back home, and maybe a little bolster and a chance to become visible, and even maybe get a sponsor or some support. But now, thanks to the NBC, they're buried skating in the middle of the day, when the majority of their audience will be at work or school. And knowing how shit 7's coverage is, the prime-time recaps will be minimal.

But y'know, it's all about getting the American skaters exposure, so who cares, right?

 

[MacMadame]

If you live in North America, you shouldn't complain.

I live in NA but on the West Coast. So it's still tape delayed for me. Hence, I guess I still get to complain.

Except everything is being streamed online. Real time. So the fact that I can't be arsed to follow the streams isn't really NBC or the IOC's problem.

The good exhibitions these days are in Japan.

But they didn't go crazy bidding for tv rights. I suspect that is actually pretty smart for them even if means their figure skating fans aren't going to see TV at the perfect time. (I think NBC is nuts to pay what they do and their willingness to do so causes all sorts of problems.)

Oh and @Steph Smith, I actually agree with you about the problems with the Olympics. But that is not what we are talking about here. We're talking about the figure skating schedule and whether it's pissing off South Koreans and who should set it (tv rights or locals or someone else). The solution to the problems you raise is just not to have it IMO and that would make the entire thread completely moot.

But y'know, it's all about getting the American skaters exposure, so who cares, right?

Yes, that's what it's all about. That's the only reason they are having the Olympics. There are no other sports and no other athletes. The short track speedskaters from Australia don't deserve prime time coverage if it means figure skaters can't have it. (sarcasm)

 

[skatingguy]

I think the thing about the Japanese figure skating fans is that it wouldn't matter what time the event was on, they'll be watching in huge numbers so it may not be worth those extra few hundred million for Japanese tv to get preferential treatment over the US. I fully expect the Japanese fans to be the largest group of fans in the stands for the Olympics - as they are at almost every competition where their skaters are competing.

 

[SkateSand]

I live in NA but on the West Coast. So it's still tape delayed for me. Hence, I guess I still get to complain.

Except everything is being streamed online. Real time. So the fact that I can't be arsed to follow the streams isn't really NBC or the IOC's problem.

I live on the west coast. According to my TV schedule, my local NBC station is broadcasting the Olympics live (with the figure skating), starting at 5:00 p.m. They are not tape-delaying the west coast. All US time zones will be able to watch the "prime time" Olympics coverage live on NBC in their time zone. They also have an encore broadcast scheduled later in the evening for those who find 5:00 p.m. start time inconvenient.

 

[MacMadame]

I live on the west coast. According to my TV schedule, my local NBC station is broadcasting the Olympics live (with the figure skating), starting at 5:00 p.m. They are not tape-delaying the west coast. All US time zones will be able to watch the "prime time" Olympics coverage live on NBC in their time zone. They also have an encore broadcast scheduled later in the evening for those who find 5:00 p.m. start time inconvenient.

But I work until 7. See, it's all about meeee and what I want to see.

The Olympics is enormous. There's no schedule that wouldn't upset someone or be less than ideal for some group of athletes. I just adjust to what it is. If I'm lucky enough to see "my" sport live, cool. If not, I'll survive.

 

[Jammers]

I live in NA but on the West Coast. So it's still tape delayed for me. Hence, I guess I still get to complain.

Except everything is being streamed online. Real time. So the fact that I can't be arsed to follow the streams isn't really NBC or the IOC's problem.


But they didn't go crazy bidding for tv rights. I suspect that is actually pretty smart for them even if means their figure skating fans aren't going to see TV at the perfect time. (I think NBC is nuts to pay what they do and their willingness to do so causes all sorts of problems.)

Oh and @Steph Smith, I actually agree with you about the problems with the Olympics. But that is not what we are talking about here. We're talking about the figure skating schedule and whether it's pissing off South Koreans and who should set it (tv rights or locals or someone else). The solution to the problems you raise is just not to have it IMO and that would make the entire thread completely moot.


Yes, that's what it's all about. That's the only reason they are having the Olympics. There are no other sports and no other athletes. The short track speedskaters from Australia don't deserve prime time coverage if it means figure skaters can't have it. (sarcasm)

NBC is broadcasting for the first time ever the Olympics live in all times zones even us west coasters who always get hosed will see it live.

 

[Carolla5501]

Oh yay. How great for them.

Meanwhile, skaters from the smallest skating countries, which makes the monetary support of skating in the US look lavish and luxurious, are consigned to being invisible during the one time every four years their sport has any kind of visibility. I'm sure Brendan, Kailani, Katia and Harley were hoping that an Asian Olympics might mean they get some prime-time showing back home, and maybe a little bolster and a chance to become visible, and even maybe get a sponsor or some support. But now, thanks to the NBC, they're buried skating in the middle of the day, when the majority of their audience will be at work or school. And knowing how shit 7's coverage is, the prime-time recaps will be minimal.

But y'know, it's all about getting the American skaters exposure, so who cares, right?

So if it worked out where it was all about getting the Australian skaters coverage you would be cheerleading LOL!

Your argument has a few flaws in that you really aren't concerned about the smallest skating countries but YOUR country. Trying to pass it off as benevolent concern for underserved countries would be fine except that you aren't concerned about "live skating" for other countries, just YOUR country LOL!

 

[Carolla5501]

But I work until 7. See, it's all about meeee and what I want to see.

The Olympics is enormous. There's no schedule that wouldn't upset someone or be less than ideal for some group of athletes. I just adjust to what it is. If I'm lucky enough to see "my" sport live, cool. If not, I'll survive.

Finally an honest poster!

 

[allezfred]

The gala starts at 9:30am Korea time.

 

[misskarne]

So if it worked out where it was all about getting the Australian skaters coverage you would be cheerleading LOL!

Your argument has a few flaws in that you really aren't concerned about the smallest skating countries but YOUR country. Trying to pass it off as benevolent concern for underserved countries would be fine except that you aren't concerned about "live skating" for other countries, just YOUR country LOL!

Nice try, but the skating being at prime time live here in Australia would be a natural consequence of it being prime time in Korea. We're only two hours ahead.

 

[SophieLees]

I am loving the tv schedule. Finally, skating live in prime time!!

 

[MacMadame]

Nice try, but the skating being at prime time live here in Australia would be a natural consequence of it being prime time in Korea. We're only two hours ahead.

So the next time the Olympics are somewhere nowhere near your time zone, if they hold figure skating in the evening local time but you have to get up at 3am to watch it live, you won't complain? Because, based on your posting history, I'm going to guess you will. [And so will most everyone else.]

 

[Deleted member 40371]

So the next time the Olympics are somewhere nowhere near your time zone, if they hold figure skating in the evening local time but you have to get up at 3am to watch it live, you won't complain? Because, based on your posting history, I'm going to guess you will. [And so will most everyone else.]

Beijing is only three hours behind, 3 am is complete hyperbola on your side. NBC had the television rights, not the rights to tweak whole event schedule to suit its desires.

 

[kwanfan1818]

NBC had the television rights, not the rights to tweak whole event schedule to suit its desires.

Apparently the IOC disagreed. No one held the pen in their hands and forced them to sign the contract.

 

[Steph]

Steph I live in Atlanta. There has been some 'selective' counting going on. Most of us can't figure out WHERE they came up with these numbers. There was some relocation, but.... the math seems to have some issues. (And of course a lot of people were relocated from a condemned, drug infested violent neighborhood to better locations, but we get no credit for that There were people in one area beyond excited to get out! LOL!)

And unlike you, most of us are happy. But feel free to continue your political rants (would you mind moving it to the trash can however)

No thanks. COHRE did fine work, and you can review it or not as you see fit, but I'm out on this issue.

 

[allezfred]

Off topic, but not really - is 9:30 or 10:00 midday in the U.S.?

 

[Aussie Willy]

I have just made sure any meetings and training sessions I run at work are done in the morning. Then I can be totally distracted in the afternoon. I might just work from home. My manager is hardly there so he probably wouldn't notice.

 

[skatingguy]

Off topic, but not really - is 9:30 or 10:00 midday in the U.S.?

All depends on what time I get up in the morning, sometimes I feel like I'm ready for bed by 2:00 pm - thought I'm not in the US.

 

[Skittl1321]

Off topic, but not really - is 9:30 or 10:00 midday in the U.S.?

I'd say 10:00 is the line where morning turns to mid-day. 9:30 I'd call morning.

But by 10:00, I've been at work for 3 hours already and up for 4 or 5 hours.

On the weekend, the parents whose kids sports don't start until 9:30 or 10:00 consider themselves lucky. No one likes the 7 a.m. hockey game.

 

[MacMadame]

I was going to say 11am! But I work with people who are notorious for being Night Owls!

 

[MacMadame]

Beijing is only three hours behind, 3 am is complete hyperbola on your side.

No, it's misreading what I said on your side. I didn't say "the next Olympics." I said "the next time the Olympics are held nowhere near [her] time zone." Beijing does not qualify. It would probably be some Olympics whose city hasn't even been picked yet.