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jamesy said:
Bring back Aisha! :mitchell: :mitchell:
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Eh. I was never all that enamored with Aisha. She just didn't really resonate with me as a character. I know there were a lot of people who loved her though, so I have no problem with it if they decide to bring her back for the last season.
 
I watched Perry Mason and thought it was just OK. The performances were good but it didn't grab me.

I really liked Extraordinary Attorney Woo on Netflix. It took me a while to get into it and I really disliked the music at the beginning (too saccharine). I got used to it and I ended up really enjoying it. I love the characters. It was great.
 
I just started The Makanai: Cooking for the Maiko House on Netflix. It’s about two high school-aged girls who decide to train as apprentices at a Maiko house for preparations to be a Geiko (the more familiar term is Geisha, which is used outside of Kyoto). The miniseries has some episodes directed by Hirokazu Kore-eda, best known for directing Shoplifters.

I didn’t know it was adapted from a manga/anime when I started, but you can tell. Some of the characters are kind of tropey or broad, but overall, with three episodes in, the show is enjoyable. It’s like a gentle drama but one you find yourself invested in thanks to the interesting premise, the enjoyable characters, beautiful shots, costumes, and just seeing a little insight into a lifestyle most of us in the U.S. know very little about.
 

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Jimena said:
I watched Perry Mason and thought it was just OK. The performances were good but it didn't grab me.
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Agree. I gave up halfway through the second episode.

I am on a Britbox kick at the moment. Finally watched The Bletchley Circle (it's not new, just never got to it) which is excellent, and now watching Fleming: The Man Who Would Be Bond which is clearly only very loosely based on Ian Fleming's actual life but is an entertaining romp, and the cast includes Lara Pulver and Anna Chancellor who are always good value.
 
We had the same reaction to Perry Mason. Watched 1 or 2 episodes and didn’t feel inclined to continue. I like Matthew Rhys as an actor, so I was looking forward to the show, but didn’t enjoy it in the end.

My husband wanted to start watching Vikings Valhalla, which is a sequel to the original Vikings series. We’re about 4 episodes in now. It’s not bad, as these things go. Pretty good production values, it feels pretty real. I’m not into all the bloody battle scenes though.
 
clairecloutier said:
We had the same reaction to Perry Mason. Watched 1 or 2 episodes and didn’t feel inclined to continue. I like Matthew Rhys as an actor, so I was looking forward to the show, but didn’t enjoy it in the end.
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I liked it. A bit slow perhaps, but it kept me engaged. Just to offer a different perspective.
 
I started Perry Mason over the weekend but couldn’t get into it either. I’m glad I have a season and a half of Ghosts downloaded to watch on the flights to/from Nationals! I’m finding it to be the perfect light, fun show for filler time.
 
A couple days ago, I mentioned Ruth Wilson being so good in His Dark Materials.

The Guardian has a great feature about her, which might be of interest to people who have seen her in other shows:

www.theguardian.com

‘I want my monkey!’ Ruth Wilson on villainy, intimacy and returning to His Dark Materials

The actor made her mark in Jane Eyre after leaving college and hasn’t stopped working since. She talks about her role in Philip Pullman’s dark fantasy, her love for the stage – and her fear of commitment
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Buzz said:
The Little Things is a triller staring Danzel Washington and Remi Malik. It is a decent mystery and one with an ending that surprised me which is not common for this type of movie. It’s on Netflix.
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Thank you for reminding me about this one. I had wanted to see it when it first came out.
 
Jimena said:
I really liked Extraordinary Attorney Woo on Netflix. It took me a while to get into it and I really disliked the music at the beginning (too saccharine). I got used to it and I ended up really enjoying it. I love the characters. It was great.
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I've started watching shortly after I've read your post. Really enjoying it so far :)
 
Has anyone watched Cheer on Netflix? It seems USA has their own version of Tutberidze, just with the difference that it is about a cheer squad rather than about figure skating. But kids are dropped from 2-3 metres high, being thrown up and then not caught, landing sometimes on their head. Kids are training with injuries, discussing whether they should go to doctor or not. One girl mentioned having a concussion five times…just wow… A coach checks on a girl who fell on her head and decides that she has signs of concussion, so he suggests that she should come to the practice the following day and he would check how she is doing - whether she can practice. Because clearly he assumes that when someone has a concussion, they can come the following day and miraculously be healthy! After reading so much people being upset about kids getting injured in Russian skating, what about the kids getting injured at your side of the ocean? Watching that, I have to say I can’t see much difference between what’s going on in Russia and in the USA. Just WOW!
 
When that show first premiered there were a lot of write-ups about the abuse in that sport and the unnecessary dangers surrounding it. Wait until you hear about the sex abuse scandal that interfered with season 2.

Abuse of children in sport is a huge debated topic in the US, and it’s going on. The issue is that you’re only talking to Americans on this forum and you’re equating this niche sample as to being representative of all Americans. This forum’s posters who have debated with you aren’t all Americans for one thing, and for another, they’re more in-tuned to the consequences of lack of regulation and care given to children taking up sport and other activities thanks to many former athletes coming out and sharing their horror stories. Most Americans don’t even know about Eteri or care about the abuse issue and I bet a large vocal proportion of general sports fans would defend her just like they defended the Karyoli method even after their and Nassar’s abuse allegations came out and are most likely the same ones who blame the new generation for making the country too soft.

Anyway, this is a figure skating forum. Why don’t you go to a cheerleading forum and ask everyone’s nationalities, then ask how they feel about Cheer and the specific methods used and the broken bones and such that the cheer athletes suffer, and ask if they approve and defend such methods. For the ones who say they do, then detail with accuracy what Eteri has done and see what their answers are. And calculate and analyze the results, and actually consider any distinct differences as anyone with intellectual honesty would.
 
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hanca said:
Oh, so whatever is going on on your side of the ocean should not be discussed otherwise people get accused from whataboutism? So it is ok to do this to US girls?
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First of all, we've implemented SafeSport and all kinds of laws were implemented to address various abuses have been written about in the American media in various sports programs once athletes started speaking out. You just have to Google it and find all kinds of write-ups and commentary on the way child athletes (and beyond, like child stars) have been treated. Look at Maggie Haney recently in gymnastics. Of course it's not perfect, especially SafeSport, but there was a reaction and it's not going away. The conversation is even happening in American football, the institution that would probably be the most resistant to change and props up the mythical military idea of "toughing it out".

With regard to children, a lot of parents now are rethinking a lot of things and various children's sports programs have implemented changes due do that demand. Of course, it hasn't reached everywhere, and there is pushback from those who are afraid we're lowering the "toughness" standard in our growing children, but it's a long process and it'll never all change all at once and things will always need improving as that applies to all major attitudinal and societal change.

But one major point that you're not addressing is that this is a FIGURE SKATING FORUM, so we don't just look at countries, but the sport as a whole and how athletes everywhere are being treated. We're much more in-tuned to what's going on in our sport because we're a forum that is dedicated to this sport, and we've grown aware and acquainted with the major athletes of figure skating. So if there's something that people find abusive, they'll talk about it. Whether it be Eteri, Mie Hamada, Callaghan, Gauthier, etc. I think you're choosing to forget the decade-long hate Tom Zakrasjek received that was sparked by the infamous Nationals Kiss n' Cry incident with Joshua Farris. Let's not forget how fans from all over the world been calling for and, as of right now, has received Dalilah Sappenfield's suspension for a while that was sparked by the Coughlin scandal and all of his behavior towards girls, which has then continued when all the female pairs skaters that have come out to talk about her bad behavior towards them outside of the Coughlin.

This next part is going to much more directed to you and it's going to sound harsh, but it's the truth of the matter.

I've respectfully stayed away from the Russian threads and other threads since I read a poster saying how it should be a space some specific posters can have to themselves so that they can stew in their feelings about Russia's ban and to partake and indulge in their whataboutism and the Russian victim complex. However, since you've now decided to bring this ridiculousness into to a thread I enjoy reading and that is unrelated to this issue, but fair game as this is a figure skating forum so figure skating issues always have the potential to seep into any topic, I was forced to read it. Now that you forced the rest of us who have respectfully stayed away from the topic in that special corner to read your dribble, I felt compelled to respond.

You're problem is that you're so stuck on this pro-Russia agenda that you're only interest lies in defending Russia's honor that you can't even see clearly anymore, and maybe you don't want to see clearly, which is giving you some credit actually.

First, you're mistaking critique of Eteri's specific abuse allegations from her former pupils and from what what has been admitted as criticism of Russia as an entire culture and country . . . though when the government and sports are doing their best to defend the abuse and hide the wrongdoings....I can see how it can come across as a critique of Russia as an entirety. Still, most of us actually like Russian skaters if we like the way they skate and have admired many. Personally-speaking, Russian pairs have been my all time favorite style and legacy since I became a fan, but that doesn't mean that I have to defend or ignore the harsh coaching and the abuse I've read from skaters of older generations who have come out and talked about the way female Russian (or Soviet) skaters were physically abused by their partners and how such abuse was tolerated and ignored by their schools. Luckily, a lot of those coaches aren't so "current" so we don't see them actively coaching anymore.

Second, to address your point about nobody being allowed to talk about abuses "on [our] side of the ocean", that is blatantly false. As stated with some examples I've given above, which is not even the majority of times people talked about abuse in figure skating worldwide, this forum, generally speaking, has never had issues discussing abuses happening in U.S. sport. In fact, we've had thread after thread discussing times when skaters have charged specific coaching bases of abuse, neglect, and other behavior that has resulted in long-term harm to athletes well into their adulthood. In these threads, specific posters may fight back, but they may or may not be the same as those who have and are defending Eteri. We don't know because nobody has dissected every post every poster has made on every related to alleged abuse in this sport and compared it to their responses to the allegations directed at Eteri's camp by her former pupils and by what has been admitted.

But you don't care about that because you don't actually care about the issue-at-hand. You're so fixated on defending Russia that you've become one-tracked minded about it to the point of willful ignorance and have been acting this way for a long time. Even if you had a point that SOME fans have been politically-motivated and have used the very real allegations made by her former pupils for some anti-Russian agenda, (1) you can't differentiate those posters from most others whose consciences were genuinely shocked by what has been alleged and would be shocked no matter who the allegations were being directed towards, and (2) you don't even address that core issue but rather fixate on the over-inclusive hypocrisy that you think you are pointing out as if that was the most important point in all of this. It's hard to take you seriously.

As a reminder, the ultimate issue is the treatment of children as they are in the care of adult supervisors and coaches, all of whom who have a responsibility towards minors in their care, no matter whether the children's parents are paying the bills and they are technically an employee of the parent, because even with that, there is still a lot of control that the coaches and their staff have over the kids and a very serious power imbalance since it's there's an authoritative teacher/coaching to student dynamic going on.

At best you know that and are choosing to ignore it for your own anti-American/Western agenda, and at worst, you simply have the inability to comprehend it. Truthfully, the "worst" is what I actually suspect about you. Yes, that's blunt but you said you like blutness, so here we go.
 
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hanca said:
After reading so much people being upset about kids getting injured in Russian skating, what about the kids getting injured at your side of the ocean? Watching that, I have to say I can’t see much difference between what’s going on in Russia and in the USA. Just WOW!
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It's just kind of funny because I always see several Americans pointing out the abuse in sports going on in their own country.
VGThuy said:
Benoit
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What did he do?? Or do you mean Lambiel?
 
VGThuy said:
First of all, we've implemented SafeSport and all kinds of laws were implemented to address various abuses have been written about in the American media in various sports programs once athletes started speaking out. You just have to Google it and find all kinds of write-ups and commentary on the way child athletes (and beyond, like child stars) have been treated. Look at Maggie Haney recently in gymnastics. Of course it's not perfect, especially SafeSport, but there was a reaction and it's not going away. The conversation is even happening in American football, the institution that would probably be the most resistant to change and props up the mythical military idea of "toughing it out".
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Yes, you have done all that, but at the same time the Cheer TV show was so successful that it was nominated for quite a few awards, and won several of them. It was so successful that they made second season to this show. Reading this forum, one would get impression that abuse through overtraining and disregarding the athletes health is what happens only in Russia, especially in Tutberidze’s group, but I am wondering whether it is a very common feature of any top level of sport.
VGThuy said:
With regard to children, a lot of parents now are rethinking a lot of things and various children's sports programs have implemented changes due do that demand. Of course, it hasn't reached everywhere, and there is pushback from those who are afraid we're lowering the "toughness" standard in our growing children, but it's a long process and it'll never all change all at once and things will always need improving as that applies to all major attitudinal and societal change.

But one major point that you're not addressing is that this is a FIGURE SKATING FORUM, so we don't just look at countries, but the sport as a whole and how athletes everywhere are being treated. We're much more in-tuned to what's going on in our sport because we're a forum that is dedicated to this sport, and we've grown aware and acquainted with the major athletes of figure skating. So if there's something that people find abusive, they'll talk about it. Whether it be Eteri, Mie Hamada, Callaghan, Benoit, etc. I think you're choosing to forget the decade-long hate Tom Zakrasjek received that was sparked by the infamous Nationals Kiss n' Cry incident with Joshua Farris. Let's not forget how fans from all over the world been calling for and, as of right now, has received Dalilah Sappenfield's suspension for a while that was sparked by the Coughlin scandal and all of his behavior towards girls, which has then continued when all the female pairs skaters that have come out to talk about her bad behavior towards them outside of the Coughlin.
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VGThuy said:
This next part is going to much more directed to you and it's going to sound harsh, but it's the truth of the matter.

I've respectfully stayed away from the Russian threads and other threads since I read a poster saying how it should be a space some specific posters can have to themselves so that they can stew in their feelings about Russia's ban and to partake and indulge in their whataboutism and the Russian victim complex. However, since you've now decided to bring this ridiculousness into to a thread I enjoy reading and that is unrelated to this issue, but fair game as this is a figure skating forum so figure skating issues always have the potential to seep into any topic, I was forced to read it. Now that you forced the rest of us who have respectfully stayed away from the topic in that special corner to read your dribble, I felt compelled to respond.

You're problem is that you're so stuck on this pro-Russia agenda that you're only interest lies in defending Russia's honor that you can't even see clearly anymore, and maybe you don't want to see clearly, which is giving you some credit actually.
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That’s the most stupid thing I read from you since I joined this forum. I have fro-Russian agenda? WTF. We were occupied by them for over 20 years! As a child was learning compulsory Russian at school and writing to a Russian pen friend (a part of communist brainwashing), while watching how they are destroying our famous buildings (an old and beautiful castle was changed into their accommodation and headquarters). I can assure you that I definitely don’t have any pro-Russian agenda. My interest is purely in skating. I love skating and Russian pairs are great. I am not going to hold my feelings about Russia as a country against them.


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First, you're mistaking critique of Eteri's specific abuse allegations from her former pupils and from what what has been admitted as criticism of Russia as an entire culture and country . . . though when the government and sports are doing their best to defend the abuse and hide the wrongdoings....I can see how it can come across as a critique of Russia as an entirety. Still, most of us actually like Russian skaters if we like the way they skate and have admired many. Personally-speaking, Russian pairs have been my all time favorite style and legacy since I became a fan, but that doesn't mean that I have to defend or ignore the harsh coaching and the abuse I've read from skaters of older generations who have come out and talked about the way female Russian (or Soviet) skaters were physically abused by their partners and how such abuse was tolerated and ignored by their schools. Luckily, a lot of those coaches aren't so "current" so we don't see them actively coaching
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I don’t give a damn whether you want to criticise the entire Russia as a country. I will happily join you. What it seems to me is happening is that the hatred against Russia has spilled into hatred against skaters whose only role in the whole conflict was that they want to skate. Yes, there are definitely some that in my view deserve to be banned for life from ISU events, skaters who like Tarasenko went and joined the was willingly, or skaters who attended political rallies, but the majority of the skaters did not do that. So I really struggle with the hatred on this forum that is based just on someone’s nationality. Interestingly, when someone switches country, suddenly people are willing to forgive them that they are Russians (Gubanova, Elizaveta Zhuk…)
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Second, to address your point about nobody being allowed to talk about abuses "on [our] side of the ocean", that is blatantly false. As stated with some examples I've given above, which is not even the majority of times people talked about abuse in figure skating worldwide, this forum, generally speaking, has never had issues discussing abuses happening in U.S. sport. In fact, we've had thread after thread discussing times when skaters have charged specific coaching bases of abuse, neglect, and other behavior that has resulted in long-term harm to athletes well into their adulthood. In these threads, specific posters may fight back, but they may or may not be the same as those who have and are defending Eteri. We don't know because nobody has dissected every post every poster has made on every related to alleged abuse in this sport and compared it to their responses to the allegations directed at Eteri's camp by her former pupils and by what has been admitted.

But you don't care about that because you don't actually care about the issue-at-hand. You're so fixated on defending Russia that you've become one-tracked minded about it to the point of willful ignorance and have been acting this way for a long time. Even if you had a point that SOME fans have been politically-motivated and have used the very real allegations made by her former pupils for some anti-Russian agenda, (1) you can't differentiate those posters from most others whose consciences were genuinely shocked by what has been alleged and would be shocked no matter who the allegations were being directed towards, and (2) you don't even address that core issue but rather fixate on the over-inclusive hypocrisy that you think you are pointing out as if that was the most important point in all of this. It's hard to take you seriously.

As a reminder, the ultimate issue is the treatment of children as they are in the care of adult supervisors and coaches, all of whom who have a responsibility towards minors in their care, no matter whether the children's parents are paying the bills and they are technically an employee of the parent, because even with that, there is still a lot of control that the coaches and staff have over the kids and a very serious power imbalance since it's there's an authoritative teacher/coaching to student dynamic going on.
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I am glad you have the treatment of children in your mind. I am wondering how it fits with not only the treatment of kids we saw in Cheers , but even worse, making documentaries about it and nominating it for so many awards. Kids having concussions, being sick into bins and no one even stops to ask them if they are ok (clearly they are not otherwise they wouldn’t be sick)

VGThuy said:
At best you know that and are choosing to ignore it for your own anti-American/Western agenda, and at worst, you simply have the inability to comprehend it. Truthfully, the "worst" is what I actually suspect about you. Yes, that's blunt but you said you like blutness, so here we go.
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Oh, so now I have anti American/Westrn agenda. I won’t really respond to that. I thought you are intelligent, but it seems that anyone disagreeing with the flow here is pro-Russian and anti-American. Lovely!
 
hanca said:
Reading this forum, one would get impression that abuse through overtraining and disregarding the athletes health is what happens only in Russia, especially in Tutberidze’s group, but I am wondering whether it is a very common feature of any top level of sport.
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IDK how you got this impression though... The over-training and abuse thing has been brought up with some of the Americans, and also with An Xiangyi in the Chinese thread.

I would imagine it's a common feature in most sports. I do think the ones with an artistic element get more attention because girls take those up more. Unfortunately, I don't think many people care about the abuse boys and men are put through in sports (even in the artistic sports), especially the female viewers and commentators, and therefore it won't ever get as much attention.

I'd assume the reason Eteri is brought up repeatedly is because she had many girls and they were constantly in the spot light for a variety of reasons. This would be the overwhelming majority of reason, but I do think in part there's some anti-Russian sentiment and American/Canadian nationalism mixed into it when it comes to English forums.
 
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