Missing the Novice, Junvenile and Intermediate Events

catcritter

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Is anyone else miss seeing the younger skaters stake this year. They all do such a wonderful job and are so cute to watch. I don't understand why they can't go to Nationals anymore. They worked for it and deserve it. I know they are sending them to some kind of camp, but it would have been nice seeing them compete.
 

jiejie

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You can see them at the Sectional level. I don't miss them at Nationals (maybe Novice level), and for all kinds of logistical and cost reasons, it was just unsustainable. And the belief is that the unintended consequence was making Nationals be the final goal of a skater, rather than training to be internationally competitive. I remember when there was only Novice, Jr, Sr at Nationals and the Juvenile/Intermediate levels had their own Nationals.....which had issues of its own. I'd consider the new arrangement as a work-in-progress since this is the first year, so we'll all see how this Nationals and the follow-on Performance Camps go. At the very least, it might make it harder for China to locate and poach the upcoming young US talent.
 

overedge

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You can see them at the Sectional level. I don't miss them at Nationals (maybe Novice level), and for all kinds of logistical and cost reasons, it was just unsustainable. And the belief is that the unintended consequence was making Nationals be the final goal of a skater, rather than training to be internationally competitive.
Yes, the USFS report explaining the change specifically said that among some groups (e.g. parents) there was too much focus on medals and not enough on skater development. E.g. holding a skater in a category for another year so they might get a medal, as opposed to moving them up into a higher competitive level where they would have to develop their skills more.

That being said, for some skaters, going to Nationals (not necessarily winning there) is a reasonable goal, and a reward for their hard work throughout their career. I do feel bad for those skaters who might not now have that opportunity.
 

MacMadame

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I thought adding Juvenile and Intermediate to Big Nationals was a mistake. It made the whole event way too long and insane, especially for the coaches. Plus I'm not sure having those younger kids mixing with the older kids was a good idea. (There is a lot of partying that goes on at Nationals.)

But I kind of miss Novice being there. It's probably only because that's what I'm used to. But I still remember Rachael Flatt as a bubbly kid winning Novice Ladies and how fun it was to watch.
 

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I miss the Novice level at Nationals. The kids were always so excited to be there. I remember first seeing Beebee as a novice, I think I first saw Adam as a novice competitor. So many others that I wouldn't have had an opportunity to be introduced to early on.
 

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Back in the day, Australia used to have two separate National Championships. One for Junior, Senior, and Synchro skaters, and another for Novice to Primary. Now, everything is scheduled into one big week with the addition of Adult Masters. While a lot of the skaters only stay for their specific competitions, some take in the entire championship to learn and soak up the experience.

From an educational point of view, it can be beneficial to see what needs to be done working towards higher levels.

While some skaters may never graduate to the next phase for whatever reason, just getting there is a nice reward for all of the years of work put in as well.

I understand that US Skating looks at athletes for their Olympic and long term potential, and as some posters have mentioned, just the logistics and costs involved in putting on such a big event. But not going to nationals as it were, seems to diminish the lower levels somewhat. Future stars probably don't get the same press coverage or fan buzz at sectionals, either.
 

essence_of_soy

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I’m missing the novice singles.
Back in the day, one of the biggest highlights from going to the US Championships was seeing an unknown Tara Lipinski burst onto the national scene at the novice level. I was like, "Who's that girl? She's definitely got a big future ahead."
 

Frau Muller

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Back in the day, one of the biggest highlights from going to the US Championships was seeing an unknown Tara Lipinski burst onto the national scene at the novice level. I was like, "Who's that girl? She's definitely got a big future ahead."
I also remember seeing the then-tiny Todd Eldredge winning Novice Boys in (I think) 1984...oh, and Rudi Galindo winning Novice Boys in 1982 Indy! I got to know his dad and other family then...up in the bleachers, during figures. We all spoke Spanish. Most unusual back in the "country club era" - LOL!
 

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Under the old system, the top 4 Novice skaters in each Section moved to Nationals. Under the new system, only the top 2 advance. So you are getting to see half of those Novice skaters (2 vs 4) but they are now skating as Juniors. Hope that makes sense.
 

Twizzler

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Under the old system, the top 4 Novice skaters in each Section moved to Nationals. Under the new system, only the top 2 advance. So you are getting to see half of those Novice skaters (2 vs 4) but they are now skating as Juniors. Hope that makes sense.
But that’s only for singles. Pairs and dance do not advance at all.
 

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I think it was really valuable to have Novice Nationals. It is a great motivator for talented youngsters and gives those athletes moving up to the JGP some high-pressure competition experience. Also allows the decision-makers selecting athletes for the JGP to see how specific athletes respond to a make-or-break competition. (In my experience, strong competitors are often strong competitors at every level. It's not something that you see in practices or necessarily at a training camp).
 

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I think it was really valuable to have Novice Nationals. It is a great motivator for talented youngsters and gives those athletes moving up to the JGP some high-pressure competition experience. Also allows the decision-makers selecting athletes for the JGP to see how specific athletes respond to a make-or-break competition. (In my experience, strong competitors are often strong competitors at every level. It's not something that you see in practices or necessarily at a training camp).
 

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