ISU Cancels 2020 World Figure Skating Championships

I've found most of the media here is pretty accurate (with a few exceptions). As for our US leadership right now, no comment since this isn't the PI Forum...

lol I'm Australian and my glancing impression is that our government reaction has been good, but our media reaction sensationalised. I'm just so used to stupid stuff constantly being posted on things like news.com.au and the Australian edition of Daily Mail that I can't take anything seriously. (Australians will know what I mean when I say that how could 'Married at First Sight' be considered lead national news on news.com.au). Anyway.
 
lol I'm Australian and my glancing impression is that our government reaction has been good, but our media reaction sensationalised. I'm just so used to stupid stuff constantly being posted on things like news.com.au and the Australian edition of Daily Mail that I can't take anything seriously. (Australians will know what I mean when I say that how could 'Married at First Sight' be considered lead national news on news.com.au). Anyway.
I don't watch that rubbish and yet I know what MAFS mean.
 
Any chance we could move the virus discussion to the appropriate pages and threads and keep this one about cancelling Worlds? Please.

I know there is a gray area, but maybe we could try to keep this thread skating, logistics centered.
 
I know that it's completely natural to be cynical towards mass media these days, but no, this time it really is not 'paranoia and hysteria'. About 10 days ago Milan was like 'Milan carries on' and now their whole country is in lockdown and I don't even want to start on how my own country has handled this outbreak (I'm Chinese).

Please, please take this seriously.

Italy has had 200 deaths alone in the last 24 hours, medical is overwhelmed there. This is SERIOUS, folks! https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...00-spread-n1155241/ncrd1155806#liveBlogHeader
 
Yes, they posted a new improved policy today, just in time for this. Check their website! (Sorry, cant link at the moment,)
There was an old policy that applied only to certain cities and a new policy for ticket purchased after March 4/5. Unless a newer policy was posted within the last hour, those purchasing ticket before that day have to pay fees. I got mine Feb 22 and turns out, my fare was 2 one ways so I have to pay a fee for each direction, not just 1 fee for the roundtrip.
 
There was an old policy that applied only to certain cities and a new policy for ticket purchased after March 4/5. Unless a newer policy was posted within the last hour, those purchasing ticket before that day have to pay fees. I got mine Feb 22 and turns out, my fare was 2 one ways so I have to pay a fee for each direction, not just 1 fee for the roundtrip.

A new policy was posted. No change or cancel fee and you can use as a credit for travel before Dec 31.
 
I contacted my AirBnB host and she said AirBnB is NOT considering this an extenuating circumstance since there are no travel restrictions to Canada. Is there any advice for challenging this?


Try complaining directly to airbnb or @ them on twitter. Worked for these guests.
 
Agreed, I was starting a new thread to discuss the implications of cancelling Worlds--which hasn't happened since 1961 when the entire US World Team died in a plane crash--on the skaters, coaches, and federations.

Already one of my best friends who would have coached a team is upset that his/her competitor will not get to make a debut at Worlds, and who knows if this competitor(s) will ever get another chance. A whole set of World medals will not be awarded, messing up the records for all time. These people have dedicated their lives for an opportunity to compete at the World Championships, and even if the fans couldn't attend, why not do at minimum what the NCAA is doing for March Madness and allow the competition to continue, with limited attendance by family?
 
Forbes has a current list of airline coronavirus policies re: refunds/rebookings and will continue to update as necessary



re: March Madness: Some college teams, not all, fly on domestic charter flights, so they can avoid some of the issues of public transportation that comes into play with international travel. With Worlds, athletes, coaches, officials, support staff come from all over the world and that is one critical difference between college basketball and skating.

Not sure if you all saw the recent news out of Italy...from the NYTimes in the last hour...

Italy orders businesses to close, tightening its lockdown.
Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte of Italy on Wednesday ordered almost all businesses nationwide to close as infections and deaths from the new coronavirus continued to soar, two days after he announced stringent travel restrictions.

Pharmacies, grocery stores, banks and public transit will be allowed to operate, but any other commercial enterprise that is not vital — restaurants, bars, most stores, cafes, beauty salons — must close to limit the contagion, Mr. Conte said in an evening address to the nation.
 
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I wish this had never had to happen and am sad for many athletes, coaches, etc. However in the big picture I am not going to declare this the worst thing to have happened. It's not even the worst thing to have happened to hard-working and deserving athletes. I am old enough to remember the impact of politically driven Olympic Boycotts that ruined things for many more athletes who had invested much more time and energy for what could have been a single life-changing event. That was also much more tragic since it was caused by politics and not for the noble purpose of saving lives.
 
I will be interested to see what happens to broadcasting with this cancellation. With events that still take place, but without an audience, viewing on TV/streaming etc., becomes even more important. However, when an event is cancelled, it leaves a big gap in the scheduling. That gap has to be filled with something. I hope it is filled with skating.
 
I'm bummed out about the cancellation, not only for myself as a spectator/fan, but mainly for the skaters. However, it's better to be safe than sorry at this point.

I'll be very interested to see if Worlds truly does get rescheduled for the fall. I hope the ISU takes a couple of days to decide what to do and doesn't leave the idea hanging out there. Will they reschedule? When? Will it be in Montreal? Do athlete assignments stand? How will next season's schedule be impacted? So much TBD.
 
Is it naive to ask if Montreal could host next year and move all allocations by one year? Don’t think there would have been much organisation done for 2021 yet? But Sweden might get annoyed to not get pre-OG Worlds?
 
Is it naive to ask if Montreal could host next year and move all allocations by one year? Don’t think there would have been much organisation done for 2021 yet? But Sweden might get annoyed to not get pre-OG Worlds?
While that could happen in theory, it's more likely that they'd give Montreal the next unassigned Worlds than bump everybody. I doubt France wants to give up its post-Olympic Worlds either.
 
While that could happen in theory, it's more likely that they'd give Montreal the next unassigned Worlds than bump everybody. I doubt France wants to give up its post-Olympic Worlds either.

The precedent set in 2011 was that Japan was given the next worlds yet to be assigned—2014. Following that, Montreal should get 2023.

For world’s spots, carrying over the quotas to next year seems straightforward. I think WS should just remain as-is they are right now.

GP assignments for the fall is trickier. Use last year’s placements? WS? SB? Come up with a formula that weights different variables in?
 
A new policy was posted. No change or cancel fee and you can use as a credit for travel before Dec 31.
Provided that the Air Canada tickets were purchased on or after March 4. I copied the policy that is currently on AC's website below. For those of us that purchased tickets on or before March 3, we are paying fees. To add insult to injury, turns our my tickets are two 1-way tickets so pay double the fees.

What are the travel dates to which the one-time change fee waiver applies?
A one-time change fee waiver will apply to tickets purchased between March 4 and March 31, 2020 provided all travel is completed before December 31, 2020, provided changes are made at least 24 hours before your departing flight. Kindly note that any fare difference will apply and any residual value resulting from a lower fare will be lost.

What are the purchase dates to which the one-time change fee waiver applies?
A one-time change fee waiver will apply to tickets purchased between March 4 and March 31, 2020 provided all travel is completed before December 31, 2020, provided changes are made at least 24 hours before travel. Kindly note that any fare difference will apply and any residual value resulting from a lower fare will be lost.
 
I'm quite stunned that the idea of holding it behind closed doors doesn't even seem to have been considered.
These people have dedicated their lives for an opportunity to compete at the World Championships, and even if the fans couldn't attend, why not do at minimum what the NCAA is doing for March Madness and allow the competition to continue, with limited attendance by family?
re: March Madness: Some college teams, not all, fly on domestic charter flights, so they can avoid some of the issues of public transportation that comes into play with international travel. With Worlds, athletes, coaches, officials, support staff come from all over the world and that is one critical difference between college basketball and skating.
@B.Cooper has it right, I think. It would have been dangerous and unfair to ask skaters to travel across the world at this time. It would expose them to more risk and possibly leave them trapped in Canada for who knows how long afterwards. Just the mental stress would put them at a huge disadvantage against more local competitors.
 
GP assignments for the fall is trickier. Use last year’s placements? WS? SB? Come up with a formula that weights different variables in?
I don't know that anything special needs to be done there. You can do Grand Prix assignments the regular way (host spots and then all the hosts draw) without needing seeded skaters; seeding, particularly in ice dance, is effectively just about benefiting the top 10/12 by minimizing how much competition they'll face from the other big guns.

In fact, you might end up with some quite interesting Grand Prix matchups this way.
 
Provided that the Air Canada tickets were purchased on or after March 4. I copied the policy that is currently on AC's website below. For those of us that purchased tickets on or before March 3, we are paying fees. To add insult to injury, turns our my tickets are two 1-way tickets so pay double the fees.

What are the travel dates to which the one-time change fee waiver applies?
A one-time change fee waiver will apply to tickets purchased between March 4 and March 31, 2020 provided all travel is completed before December 31, 2020, provided changes are made at least 24 hours before your departing flight. Kindly note that any fare difference will apply and any residual value resulting from a lower fare will be lost.

What are the purchase dates to which the one-time change fee waiver applies?
A one-time change fee waiver will apply to tickets purchased between March 4 and March 31, 2020 provided all travel is completed before December 31, 2020, provided changes are made at least 24 hours before travel. Kindly note that any fare difference will apply and any residual value resulting from a lower fare will be lost.

The New Policy:

We’re waiving change fees on existing bookings to give you even more flexibility
March 11, 2020
If you purchased a ticket before March 4, 2020 for travel before April 30, 2020, Air Canada will allow you to make a one-time change to your flight without incurring a change fee up to 24 hours before your departing flight. You can also cancel your booking and credit what you paid against future travel. In both cases any fare difference will apply, any residual value resulting from a lower fare will be lost, and all travel must be completed by December 31, 2020.
Changes can be made online, through your travel agent, or by calling Air Canada Reservations at 1-888-247-2262 (Other numbers).
This policy also applies to Aeroplan Flight Reward bookings. Please contact Aeroplan directly if you choose to make changes to your booking.
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What are the travel dates to which the one-time change fee waiver applies?
For tickets purchased before March 4, 2020 with an original travel date on or before April 30, 2020, a one-time change fee waiver will apply for travel completed before December 31, 2020, provided changes are made at least 24 hours before your departing flight. Kindly note that any fare difference will apply.
What are the purchase dates to which the one-time change fee waiver applies?
A one-time change fee waiver will apply to tickets purchased before March 4, 2020 with an original travel date on or before April 30, 2020, provided changes are made at least 24 hours before travel. Kindly note that any fare difference will apply.
A one-time change fee waiver will apply to tickets purchased before March 4, 2020 with an original travel date on or before April 30, 2020, provided changes are made at least 24 hours before travel. Kindly note that any fare difference will apply.

Does this waiver apply to any fare and any cabin?
Yes, the one-time change fee waiver applies to any of Air Canada’s published fares, regardless of the cabin you select. Kindly note that any fare difference will apply apply and any residual value resulting from a lower fare will be lost.
What if I want to cancel my booking?
You may cancel your flight and apply any unused value of the ticket toward the purchase of a new ticket provided all travel is completed by December 31, 2020. Kindly note that any fare difference will apply and any residual value resulting from a lower fare will be lost.
Does this policy apply to Aeroplan bookings?
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  • Tickets must be purchased directly from Air Canada or through your travel agent before March 4, 2020 with an original travel date on or before April 30, 2020.
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  • A single change may be made without incurring a change fee provided it is completed at least 24 hours before the original departure date.
  • Any fare difference will apply and any residual value resulting from a lower fare will be lost.
 
The problem with rescheduling is that figure skating is such a precision sport that requires very specific preparations.

Football matches can be played later much more easily.

But having skaters in peak form for an October worlds is a very different thing. I just don’t think a reschedule is possible.
 
The problem with rescheduling is that figure skating is such a precision sport that requires very specific preparations.

Football matches can be played later much more easily.

But having skaters in peak form for an October worlds is a very different thing. I just don’t think a reschedule is possible.

They also really need a clean break to prepare for the next season, they shouldn't be kept in a state of uncertainty. Let them take a deep breath, some time to feel whatever they need to feel about this, and then look ahead to the future.
 
I think this is our new reality. And I’m curious as to how long we keep this up. Or a year from now we still not going to be having any events because of this? this thing is out of the bag and there’s not really a containment strategy. What we do now is panic and pretend were containing it but the truth is we’re going to have to let it run its course probably.
 

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