Have you seen this video analyzing Evgenia Medvedeva's jumps?

[ToFarAwayTimes]

This is where I take issue with your post. You claim to want to expose corrupt judging and hold them accountable, but to your own standards and not the ISU's written rules.

Nope, I am going by the ISU rules which you can find right here:
https://www.isu.org/docman-document...munications/14352-isu-communication-2089/file

GOE is calculated first considering positive elements of a jump, and then that GOE is subtracted according to negative elements of the jump. Therefore, a jump that is not without error cannot possibly receive +3 GOE.

Medvedeva decelerates into every single one of her jumps, so even if she did a perfect jump for her, by the rules, she should never receive more than +1 or +2 GOE on a jump due to poor speed. That is just one bullet point, and other deficiencies (c)ould cause her to lose more, but I am sure you can read them for yourself.

 

[misskarne]

Nope, I am going by the ISU rules which you can find right here:
https://www.isu.org/docman-document...munications/14352-isu-communication-2089/file

GOE is calculated first considering positive elements of a jump, and then that GOE is subtracted according to negative elements of the jump. Therefore, a jump that is not without error cannot possibly receive +3 GOE.

Medvedeva decelerates into every single one of her jumps, so even if she did a perfect jump for her, by the rules, she should never receive more than +1 or +2 GOE on a jump due to poor speed. That is just one bullet point, and other deficiencies (c)ould cause her to lose more, but I am sure you can read them for yourself.

You do realise that for "poor speed" they mean the people who almost crawl to a halt before taking off, right? Most skaters decelerate to some degree going into a jump - in fact, it's unavoidable for some because the very motion of a three turn, for example, washes some speed.

As to the GOE bullet points, I counted at least five I would normally give her straight up:

3) varied position in the air (tanos/rippons)
4) good height and distance
5) good extension on landing/creative exit (especially applicable to the loop)
6) good flow from entry to exit including jump combinations/sequences
8) element matched to the musical structure

Variable according to the performance on the day, of course. But those five would already give her +2. One more and it'd be +3.

 

[ToFarAwayTimes]

You do realise that for "poor speed" they mean the people who almost crawl to a halt before taking off, right? Most skaters decelerate to some degree going into a jump

No, they don't. Good technique involves flying into a jump with attack. I just watched the ladies SP team event and not one of the skaters visibly decelerated into her jumps. I've never seen a good jumper slow down as much as Medvedeva does. Again, give her good credit on base value for consistently landing the jumps with poor technique, but ringing her up with +3s across the board is ridiculous. It's not my standards...it's the ISU's own standards.

 

[antmanb]

Nope, I am going by the ISU rules which you can find right here:
https://www.isu.org/docman-document...munications/14352-isu-communication-2089/file

GOE is calculated first considering positive elements of a jump, and then that GOE is subtracted according to negative elements of the jump. Therefore, a jump that is not without error cannot possibly receive +3 GOE.

Medvedeva decelerates into every single one of her jumps, so even if she did a perfect jump for her, by the rules, she should never receive more than +1 or +2 GOE on a jump due to poor speed. That is just one bullet point, and other deficiencies (c)ould cause her to lose more, but I am sure you can read them for yourself.

no she doesn't. If you'd at least picked on something like her entrance edge into her lutz, or picked a specific example with a link to the programme and the protocol then you might have the start of a debate.

To claim she decelerates into every single one of her jumps is factually incorrect. Have you seen her live? Can you link to a video where she clearly decelerates into a jump let alone every single jump?

Even engaging you for a moment - the negative GOE box refers to "poor speed, height, distance, air position". Even if she does slow down going into the jump that is only one phase of the jump (entrance), there are still three other phases of the jump to consider (1) Take off; (2) Air time; and (3) Landing. It is possible that any deficiencies in the speed of the take entrance could be offset by, for example, difficult steps or movements being executed during the entrance. Or a particularly big jump height-wise, or a difficult air position or delay (tano arms for example ) could offset any deceleration.

No, they don't. Good technique involves flying into a jump with attack.

And superior speed into the jumps would be rewarded in the positive GOE. Are you seriously telling me that Osmond and Daleman should just receive base value for the jumps rather than be rewarded for the superior speed?

There is a standard level at which jumps receive base value. There is nothing about Medvedeva's speed into her jumps that suggests its lower than base value.

 

[briancoogaert]

But if Medvedeva's jump technique is that severely deficient to the point she deserves 0 at a maximum, then MANY other ladies are in an identical position and really only a few skaters should ever get +2 or +3.

That's the reason why they should mark Medvedeva's jumps accordingly ! Those GOE were invented to differenciate quality of execution.
Actually, there is no difference in marks between a good jump and Medvedeva's. And of course, a good jump by a less known skater will receive less GOE. It's a judging problem, not due to Medvedeva, but I think that question is interesting.