German Skating News - Season 2021/2022

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Weinzierl only German lady at Nebelhorn?
I thought Isaev wanted to start her season here? (I’d prefer head to head with Schott though)

Interesting that JvR/S seem to have chosen Lombardia instead of home soil advantage and head to head with M/D. I wished we would have gotten that instead.

At least we have this scenario in pairs, with both teams entered!
 
Jeschke said:
Weinzierl only German lady at Nebelhorn?
I thought Isaev wanted to start her season here? (I’d prefer head to head with Schott though)

Interesting that JvR/S seem to have chosen Lombardia instead of home soil advantage and head to head with M/D. I wished we would have gotten that instead.

At least we have this scenario in pairs, with both teams entered!
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Isaev only started training in early August it was said at the monitoring where she was allowed to show her free without jumps therefore. I guess she was injured earlier.
 
sus2850 said:
Isaev only started training in early August it was said at the monitoring where she was allowed to show her free without jumps therefore. I guess she was injured earlier.
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Yikes :yikes:
Thanks for update.
 
Süleymanova WD from FS at CS ITA.
Seems weird, as it's an olympic qualifier for her (if we are counting her into the race). Someone knows what's going on?

Janse van Rensburg/Steffan with good skate and great TES. They kinda got butchered on PCS though. I think at NHT this would have gone close to 30pts.
Not sure the dance battle is really on tbh. But let's wait for M/D.
 
Janse van Rensburg/Steffan missed b-standard for olympics by 1.5 point.
(b-standard has to be achieved twice, so they have 2 more challengers for that 🆘 )
You could tell from her reaction,...
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Jennifer JANSE VAN RENSBURG / Benjamin STEFFAN. Lombardia Trophy 2021, FD

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Tbh, I kinda liked that by them. They usually look kinda unpolished early in the season - they seem really on this time.
Levels were solid, PCS kinda sucked but well, the program is ...well, it does not much for me either, tbh.

Have to re-check nomination criteria if the standards need to be achieved in CS or could be in senior-b event too.
(Points for the race are only CS or upwards, not sure about standards).

Starostin was kinda :gallopin1
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Nikita STAROSTIN. Lombardia Trophy 2021, FS

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187pts.
Still I kinda liked that.
 
Interesting to see that Hase/ Segert don't have any German coaches listed in their ISU bio anymore. Only D. Savin. Are they practising in Russia now?
 
Sabine-Yuna said:
Interesting to see that Hase/ Segert don't have any German coaches listed in their ISU bio anymore. Only D. Savin. Are they practising in Russia now?
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Yes they have been in Russia a long time. I talked to Knut Schubert and he said that this is the best decision for Nolan. It is not always easy to deal with his character. Savin is probably the best man for him.

And honestly you really see the improvements. I like both programs, nice transitions and the triple toeloops are glorious. This is top 6 material for the olympics. They just have to shine at the grand prix and at Euros.

Hocke Kunkel won´t have a chance for that olympic spot.
 
Quadjump said:
Yes they have been in Russia a long time. I talked to Knut Schubert and he said that this is the best decision for Nolan. It is not always easy to deal with his character. Savin is probably the best man for him.

And honestly you really see the improvements. I like both programs, nice transitions and the triple toeloops are glorious. This is top 6 material for the olympics. They just have to shine at the grand prix and at Euros.

Hocke Kunkel won´t have a chance for that olympic spot.
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Top 6 material for the Olympics seems to me a little ambitious. It was a good start into the season for them, but still the only throw that's really reliable is their 3STh, 3LoTh gets better though and the lifts of Nolan are not really good. And they are slow, especially in the FP, slower than all Top10 Teams at worlds. But with a good coach they might get better, but Top6?
 
Sabine-Yuna said:
Top 6 material for the Olympics seems to me a little ambitious. It was a good start into the season for them, but still the only throw that's really reliable is their 3STh, 3LoTh gets better though and the lifts of Nolan are not really good. And they are slow, especially in the FP, slower than all Top10 Teams at worlds. But with a good coach they might get better, but Top6?
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The general level of skating in pairs is not as near as high as 2018 in pyeonchang. Behind the Top 4 pairs (3xRussians +Sui/Han) is quite a gap. The other pairs usually do not skate cleanly (Peng/Yin, Canadians, Knierim/Frazier, DM/G). At worlds last year 6th place was given with 195 points. H/S got 185 yesterday with a fall. Even the GPF is not out of reach. It might depend on if Sui/Han will skate their Grand Prix which is not totally sure.

The key is that they really perform at the Grand Prix to push their PCS with clean skates. Their programs have the potential to get more pCS than what they got this weekend.
 
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Quadjump said:
The general level of skating in pairs is not as near as high as 2018 in pyeonchang. Behind the Top 4 pairs (3xRussians +Sui/Han) is quite a gap. The other pairs usually do not skate cleanly (Peng/Yin, Canadians, Knierim/Frazier, DM/G). At worlds last year 6th place was given with 195 points. H/S got 185 yesterday with a fall. Even the GPF is not out of reach. It might depend on if Sui/Han will skate their Grand Prix which not totally sure.

The key is that they really perform at the Grand Prix to push their PCS with clean skates. Their programs have the potential to get more pCS than what they got this weekend.
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Same can be said of Peng/Jin, MTM2, and K/F. And so far this season, K/F have scored over 200 twice already. And Miura/Kihara from Japan are continuing to rapidly improve. We haven't seen P/J or MTM2 yet, nor have we seen Zieger/Kiefer, but I will say I think it's entirely possible that H/S could beat at least DM/G who are continuing their downward trajectory. Having said that - they could make the GPF with a 2nd & 4th. They're at SCI which has S/H, MTM2, J/R, Pavliuchenko/Khodykin, and C-G/L - not beyond the realm of possibility they could finish 2nd there if P/K aren't back at full strength; and they're also assigned to NHK which has M/G, T/M, M/K, Z/K and C-G/L - maybe they could finish 3rd, likely 4th there.
 
Qualification for Euros/Olympics

Men (2 Euros spots)
1. Paul Fentz 194.70
2. Nikita Starostin 187.74
3. Kai Jagoda 169.23
4. Thomas Stoll 153.77

Women (1 Euros, 1 Olympics spot)
1. Nathalie Weinzierl 127.99

Olympics standard:
180.00 once: no one
or 172.00 twice: no one

Pairs (2 Euros, 1 Olympics spot)
1. Hase/Seegert 185.25
2. Hocke/Kunkel 168.21

Olympics standard:
171.00 once: Haase/Seegert :cheer2:
or 159.00 twice: Hocke/Kunkel once

Dance (1 Euros, 1 Olympics spot)
1. Müller/Dieck 173.74
2. van Rensburg/Steffan 165.35
3. Luft/Pfisterer 144.21
4. Lopusova/Kazimov 132.00 (no FD Euros minimum)
5. Wolf/Liebers 129.80

Olympics standard:
177.00 once: no one
or 167.00 twice: Müller/Dieck once
 
Very disappointing JGP result for Aya Hatakawa. According to her ISU bio she is now coached by Michael Huth. I guess, that is a consequence of the Savchenko drama?
 
Sera said:
Very disappointing JGP result for Aya Hatakawa.
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Tbh, the status of 🇩🇪 single skaters right now is quite worrisome.
I am willing to give Jagoda some time, it was his first event under Huth. He somehow seemed fine in practice and had decent practices.
If we'll make it to the team event (sorry Fentz, I'd wish the fed give the mens spot to some youngster; hopefully this gives a push).
(Have to check nomination criteria here again now - how this is handled, after we failed to secure single spot)
Let's see when Gurdzhi shows up underr Magri and how Starostin can move on. But right now, the guys seem far away from Euros Top8 standard.

Ladies are the same :huh: to me.
Süleymanove with rough outings, not much progress in her overall skating. Where is Hus? She was so decent last year? Injured?
Weinzierl never looked solid at any day in Oberstdof, when I saw her. Actually I kinda like her FS (for once) and wish her a decent career ending, but not competitive either.
Question marks about Schott/Isaev. I missed Schott all week in practice; but somehow I doubt we won't see a new layout. No options without lutz. Isaev I didn't see jump either, so let's see.

Pairs:
Seem somehow solid right now, but the lack of juniors is quite worrisome too. Not sure how long H/S will stay.
I like H/K, especially due to his interview and well-spoken character, but on ice, I don't see too much improvment. Twist still not fluid and rough, the lifts are solid on levels but kinda slow and struggling sometimes. Kunkel improved in his overall presentation skills and skating though. I wished more attitude for Hocke, and not constant :D all the way.

Dance.
Nice to have 5 senior couples.
I guess there is no real fight fo olympic spot tbh, which is a shame, as I like JvR/S.
D/M have a good FD, it feels somehow trashy 90s, but it works and was pleasant to watch. The RD is just too much for me. The 3 remaining couples have a long way to go, let's see how they will progress.

I liked to see Dierking being really present fo the skaters at NHT. I hope there is some kind of new overall approach, with more work shared cooperations. He seems to be invested, so I hope he can build up something, which needs time, but hopefully works.

Thanks for race statistics @Sera ; didn't have time in O to do so :respec:
 
Jeschke said:
Tbh, the status of 🇩🇪 single skaters right now is quite worrisome.
I am willing to give Jagoda some time, it was his first event under Huth. He somehow seemed fine in practice and had decent practices.
If we'll make it to the team event (sorry Fentz, I'd wish the fed give the mens spot to some youngster; hopefully this gives a push).
(Have to check nomination criteria here again now - how this is handled, after we failed to secure single spot)
Let's see when Gurdzhi shows up underr Magri and how Starostin can move on. But right now, the guys seem far away from Euros Top8 standard.

Ladies are the same :huh: to me.
Süleymanove with rough outings, not much progress in her overall skating. Where is Hus? She was so decent last year? Injured?
Weinzierl never looked solid at any day in Oberstdof, when I saw her. Actually I kinda like her FS (for once) and wish her a decent career ending, but not competitive either.
Question marks about Schott/Isaev. I missed Schott all week in practice; but somehow I doubt we won't see a new layout. No options without lutz. Isaev I didn't see jump either, so let's see.

Pairs:
Seem somehow solid right now, but the lack of juniors is quite worrisome too. Not sure how long H/S will stay.
I like H/K, especially due to his interview and well-spoken character, but on ice, I don't see too much improvment. Twist still not fluid and rough, the lifts are solid on levels but kinda slow and struggling sometimes. Kunkel improved in his overall presentation skills and skating though. I wished more attitude for Hocke, and not constant :D all the way.

Dance.
Nice to have 5 senior couples.
I guess there is no real fight fo olympic spot tbh, which is a shame, as I like JvR/S.
D/M have a good FD, it feels somehow trashy 90s, but it works and was pleasant to watch. The RD is just too much for me. The 3 remaining couples have a long way to go, let's see how they will progress.

I liked to see Dierking being really present fo the skaters at NHT. I hope there is some kind of new overall approach, with more work shared cooperations. He seems to be invested, so I hope he can build up something, which needs time, but hopefully works.

Thanks for race statistics @Sera ; didn't have time in O to do so :respec:
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I agree with most of what you have said.
Very disappointing, that German Fed has already said that they are only thinking about to send Fentz to the Olympic Team event. That would make no sense to me, Germany has no chance to get into the team final anyway. So why not give someone the chance to gain Olympic experience you want to build up for 2026 (Starostin or Jagoda).
Mueller/ Dieck look good to me. I wonder why JvR/S are not improving. They've had more time to prepare for this Olympic season than M/D, because they didn't have to do Worlds, so two more months to prepare the season than M/D.
H/K I would give some more time. Hocke has said in an interview that she has had some injuries first and then both cought a strong flu and they've had only one week of practice before competition. So if you can produce two decent programs without preparation it's not that bad. I think the lifts have improved and the side by side spin. His presentation looks better to me too, she can do better, but maybe didn't have the energy to do so yet. I don't know why German Fed doesn't send them to Russia as they obviously did with H/S. The Berlin pair skating center under Koenig obviously doesn't really work - not for the elite pairs (otherwise H/S would have stayed there and remember they looked really bad last season) and not for novice and junior pairs, because I don't see a bright future there yet.
 
Sabine-Yuna said:
I don't know why German Fed doesn't send them to Russia as they obviously did with H/S. The Berlin pair skating center under Koenig obviously doesn't really work - not for the elite pairs (otherwise H/S would have stayed there and remember they looked really bad last season) and not for novice and junior pairs, because I don't see a bright future there yet.
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Article about German Nationals:

https://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/eiskunstlauf-neuer-schliff-an-der-schwarzmeerkueste-1.5421305

It's mentioned that Hase/Seegert moved to Sochi, it sounds like it was their own decision. According to Alexander König the pairs center in Berlin is mainly about kids and the next generation.
I don't know I'm pretty sure the elite pairs were always mentioned when there were reports about the pairs center. And anyway, yes, where is the next generation then?
 
Jeschke said:
Where is Hus? She was so decent last year? Injured?
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I dont really know. Only saw her at one of the upcoming lists of JGP. She must have been removed from there later.
There is a very small field of german skaters remaining in the last two JGP events. In Dansk we will see R/S from Chemnitz.
In Linz hopefully 1 in each Diszipline. Weissert, Hatakawa, Grimm/Savitskiy and again R/S in Pairs.
 
As most of you probably did not see my post in the Nebelhorn thread about Paul Fentz, I repeat:
He has three injuries at once at the moment: inflammation of hip bone and of pubic bone and adductor strain. He was in a lot of pain at Nebelhorn and tried to fight through it. According to witnesses who saw him skate in July his 4T and 3A were truly solid then. He is the only German that was even remotely capable of securing a spot.
If there is a team event with German participation he so much deserves to go, if his body heals in time.
He said the doctors said that the inflammation is caused by heavy falls with a twisting motion. As he is 29, he had a few such falls.

About German women:
Hus was at the monitoring at the end of August, did not seem injured there.

Hatakawa moved to Huth in late spring, when Savchenko‘s move to the US was announced.
 
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sus2850 said:
As most of you probably did not see my post in the Nebelhorn thread about Paul Fentz, I repeat:
He has three injuries at once at the moment: inflammation of hip bone and of pubic bone and adductor strain. He was in a lot of pain at Nebelhorn and tried to fight through it. According to witnesses who saw him skate in July his 4T and 3A were truly solid then. He is the only German that was even remotely capable of securing a spot.
If there is a team event with German participation he so much deserves to go, if his body heals in time.
He said the doctors said that the inflammation is caused by heavy falls with a twisting motion. As he is 29, he had a few such falls.

About German women:
Hus was at the monitoring at the end of August, did not seem injured there.

Hatakawa moved to Huth in late spring, when Savchenko‘s move to the US was announced.
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I recall that in the German FS Magazine 'Pirouette' it was mentioned in one of the summer issues he was in top form then, solid in his jumps. Poor guy. It must be awful to skate well during preparation, and then get injured right before the moment you're supposed to deliver.
 
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