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Jeschke

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Where is P/B? I can't find them?
As mentioned 😅
(P/B missing on the photo though)
You can see them in Hocke‘s IG Story (where Kunkel is missing)

Or here in Rubens latest post
 

Jeschke

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Droysen stopped skating after the abuse from Fajfr.
I hope my statement does not pull this in another version of an ongoing existent thread, but just to remain to the facts:
that is not true.
Droysen still skated after the alleged abuse; his last season on junior grand prix circuit he was with S. Knorr and A. König iirc.
(and please don't go after me because of the 'alleged'; I just don't want to make a judgement in either direction without knowledge)

More on this matter by the newspaper first covered the story:

Main facts:
  • by now police is investigating (if there is need for prosecution)
  • Droysen blames german fed not taking caring duties for their minors
  • Fajfr talked to the newspaper and denied the accusations
  • Editors and Droysen are claiming there are more people coming towards them going against german fed in similar cases
  • unnamed coach got quoted by taz (Berliner newspaper) that minors (of the state envelope) of his state fed are not allowed to train under Fajfr anymore. A head coach can pass them for some work to Fajfr though, as long the head coach remains responsible.
  • Editors got no response by german fed so far but german president might offer a meeting with Droysen (according to taz)
 

Hedwig

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He has certainly stopped skating now. Afaik Fajfr and König were still at the same rink in Oberstdorf at that time. Maybe there was an overlap in coaches for him.ä?

I certainly cannot understand how a 15 year old is send to a new coach, living away from home and the parents dont find information about the coach before. I had the creeps when Fafjr was at rinkside whenever I was skating in Oberstdorf from all the stories I remembered from the 90s.
I never understood how parents could send their child to him.
 
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text_skate

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here is a link to article in taz about Droysen-DEU-Faijfr, with background, mostly on training methods: https://taz.de/Gewalt-beim-Eiskunst-Training/!5610941/, for the article in Main-Post you need a subscription.

You may try the search function, and you'll find more article in their archive about Faifr/Fajfr, taz also covered other poorly handled cases by the DEU, or abuse in sports generally
 

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He has certainly stopped skating now. Afaik Fajfr and König were still at the same rink in Oberstdorf at that time. Maybe there was an overlap in coaches for him.ä?

I certainly cannot understand how a 15 year old is send to a new coach, living away from home and the parents dont find information about the coach before. I had the creeps when Fafjr was at rinkside whenever I was skating in Oberstdorf from all the stories I remembered from the 90s.
I never understood how parents could send their child to him.
If I remember correctly, it was said at the article Fajfr was recommended to the Droysen family. Maybe at that situation they felt safe to let him coach their child without any further research.

@Jeschke Do you mean similar cases with Fajfr or with other coaches as well?
 

Jeschke

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@Jeschke Do you mean similar cases with Fajfr or with other coaches as well?
I try to translate this part in the best way.
Meanwhile more and more statemens are reaching this editorial office as well as Droysen from victims and witnesses who complain about mischiefs in the DEU (german fed)
Not sure if mischief is the right word (I meant the fact, that something is really going wrong).

There were no direct links to Fajfr himself in this quote, more about fed's mischiefs in similar/other cases.
 

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With the ladies result from Dortmund I hope german fed reconsiders its entries for JGP.
The guys, well, this is just tragic, don't know what to say.
 

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With the ladies result from Dortmund I hope german fed reconsiders its entries for JGP.
The guys, well, this is just tragic, don't know what to say.
2 ladies spor left that havent been assigned yet. Hope hatakawa is added for POL or CRO
 

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2 ladies spor left that havent been assigned yet. Hope hatakawa is added for POL or CRO
we only have 4 spots in total? :scream:
As Steblyanka is no sub for 3rd, I hope she gets the spot for the 1st (of Eudine) and Süleymanova gets the 3rd then.
 

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I hope Hatakawa gets one but I would guess that Marold gets the third and forth. And as Hatakawa wasn't named as sub for the first and second I don't know if she can go there...anyone who knows if that's possible?
 

Frau Muller

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Hi. I’ll be in Berlin for two months this fall. Is it possible to visit or at least view from outside the old Dynamo Club and SC Berlin facilities? Both were in the former East, I believe. Which club is strongest for figure skating?

Of course, I’ll try to visit Chemnitz on a weekend to see the hallowed home of so many greats & the original, one & only FrauM! ❤ But my work will be in Berlin.
 
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Hi. I’ll be in Berlin for two months this fall. Is it possible to visit or at least view from outside the old Dynamo Club and SC Berlin facilities? Both were in the former East, I believe. Which club is strongest for figure skating?
The better skaters are practicing at SC Berlin facilities at Sportforum Berlin (Hohenschönhausen) iirc.
Have no clue if you can just enter and visit, sorry.
 

Sabine-Yuna

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Hi. I’ll be in Berlin for two months this fall. Is it possible to visit or at least view from outside the old Dynamo Club and SC Berlin facilities? Both were in the former East, I believe. Which club is strongest for figure skating?

Of course, I’ll try to visit Chemnitz on a weekend to see the hallowed home of so many greats & the original, one & only FrauM! ❤ But my work will be in Berlin.
I think SC Berlin is the new name for the former Dynamo Club. There are practice facilities for a bunch of sports at a huge area in Berlin-Hohenschönhausen. The practice rink for figure skaters is at Konrad-Wolf Str. opposite the speed skating rink. You can just enter and watch practice.
 

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Hi. I’ll be in Berlin for two months this fall. Is it possible to visit or at least view from outside the old Dynamo Club and SC Berlin facilities? Both were in the former East, I believe. Which club is strongest for figure skating?

Of course, I’ll try to visit Chemnitz on a weekend to see the hallowed home of so many greats & the original, one & only FrauM! ❤ But my work will be in Berlin.
SC Berlin is my club (not for figure skating). You can enter the ice rink at Sportforum and watch the lessons. But do not expect it to be busy.
 

Frau Muller

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The better skaters are practicing at SC Berlin facilities at Sportforum Berlin (Hohenschönhausen) iirc.
Have no clue if you can just enter and visit, sorry.
Thanks, Jeschke. Near the infamous prison?! I better tread carefully. 😝
Thanks for the info, Sabine and Quadjump! I’ll figure it out.
 

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Putting this in the german thread:
I think this is a process that will take some time. But even if she would be released in the next weeks there could be no chance to skate for Germany internationally this season. You have to be in the German anti-doping test program for at least 6 months. To go to Europeans or make the scores for worlds in time it would not work out.
There is a way getting in the NADA test pool even without being released or?
Some years ago you could literally check yourself into some control system (if paying) in case you make any team to prove.
 

Sabine-Yuna

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Putting this in the german thread:

There is a way getting in the NADA test pool even without being released or?
Some years ago you could literally check yourself into some control system (if paying) in case you make any team to prove.
How can you test a skater that is officially skating for a different federation? I guess as long as you are not part of the German Fed. you can not be tested in the German system. The country you belong to (as long as you are not released) is responsible for testing and I would not trust the RUSADA as we have had too many problems with them in the past. And it's even more complicated, because you have to be part of the German team (Bundeskader) to be in the test pool. For instance if K. Dimitrescu last season would have managed to earn the Worlds minimum, he couldn't have represented Germany at Worlds, because he was not in the Bundeskader and therefore not in the test pool. This year I think they have gotten everybody in the team envelope who possibly could go to Euros and Worlds.
 

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And it's even more complicated, because you have to be part of the German team (Bundeskader) to be in the test pool.
Are you sure in this part?
I can only speak for track and field, where you can put yourself into the test pool without being part of the national team at all.
 

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Jeschke

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I don't think this works in any kind of competitive sports in Germany. At least I have never heard about it. Random people can not go into a NADA test pool. here is a link: https://www.nada.de/doping-kontroll-system/trainingskontrollen/testpools/
Okay, I am no specialist in this topic; but I know at least of athletes being part of no national team at all who had to sign up into some pool to get tested in case they qualify for Universiade (in that particular case).
On another example, there is a former sprinter, injured 3yrs, lost any team fundin, no part of team again and is still getting tested (according to IG).

But yeah, I think we 2 won't find all answers to this; as usual, there might be some exceptions.
(very shocking for german correct bureaucracy though :rofl:)
 

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