German Skating News 2017/2018

Golden Spin updates:

Lorenz/Polizoakis: 150,42pts
Can't comment the skate, stream messed up :drama:

Mueller/Dieck: 149,02pts
Kati felll outta the 2nd set of twizzles, kinda cautious. You could feel the pressure. Good score still.

Koch/Nüchtern: 141,18pts
Met the criteria with their last chance :respec: They have the best german FD imho. I hope they will not retire after this season :drama: Good fight folks, though it won't help for olympics anymore :(
 
Final #olympicrace standings heading into nationals next weekend:

Men:
614,76 Peter Liebers (CS EST 210,28; CS CAN 207,89; CS BLR 196,59)
594,60 Paul Fentz (CS FIN 212,16; GP CAN 201,60; CS POL 180,84)

Ladies
508,47 Nicole Schott (GP FRA 172,39; GP RUS 168,72; CS CRO 167,36)
463,42 Lea Johanna Dastich (CS CRO 157,44; CS EST 155,60; CS ITA 150,38)
155,85 Nathalie Weinzierl (CS GER 155,85)
135,88 Lutricia Bock (CS BLR 135,88)*

Pairs:
Podium finish at GP Aliona Savchenko / Bruno Massot
514,96 Annika Hocke / Ruben Blommaert (CS GER 180,37; CS BLR 172,64; CS POL 161,95)
456,26 Minerva Fabienne Hase / Nolan Seegert (CS POL 167,72; CS BLR 153,16; CS FIN 135,38)

Ice Dance:
449,00 Kavita Lorenz / Joti Polizoakis (CS GER 152,50; CS CRO 150,42; GP CAN 146,08)
438,12 Katharina Müller / Tim Dieck (CS POL 150,14; CS CRO 149,02; CS BLR 138,96)
413,68 Shari Koch / Christian Nüchtern (CS CRO 141,18; CS SVK 136,98; CS BLR 135,52)
396,46 Jennifer Urban / Benjamin Steffan (CS EST 139,44; CS FIN 128,59; CS BLR 128,43)

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bold - already qualified
 
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Scenarios for nationals next weekend:

Liebers will go to Olympics if...
...he finishes ahead of Fentz.
...Fentz not manages to score 201,01pts at least and keeps a distance of 4,41pts to Liebers.

Fentz will go to Olympics if...
....he manages to score 201,01pts at least and keeps a distance of 4,41pts to Liebers.

Schott will go to Olympics if...
...she finishes ahead of Dastich.
...Dastich not manages to score 195,44pts at least and keeps a distance of 28,08pts to Schott.

Dastich will go to Olympics if...
...she manages to score 195,44pts at least and keeps a distance of 28,08pts to Schott.

Dastich will go to Euros if...
...German Fed is not messing up.

Weinzierl will go to Euros if...
...she wins nationals and german fed decides to give her a bye besides not having finished 3 events for the race.

Annika Hocke/Ruben Blommaert will go to Olympics if...
...they finish ahead of Hase/Seegert.
...Hase/Seegert not manage to score 194,09pts at least and keep a distance of 32,14pts to Hocke/Blommaert.

Minerva Fabienne Hase/Nolan Seegert will go to Olympics if...
...they manage to score 194,09pts at least and keep a distance of 32,14pts to Hocke/Blommaert.

Kavita Lorenz/Joti Polizoakis will go to Olympics if...
...they manage to finish 1st.
...the other teams not manage to score following points (M/D 149,84pts; K/N170,55pts; U/S 180,97pts) at least and keep a distance of following points (M/D 3,76pts; K/N 24,76pts; U/S 34,89pts) to L/P.

Katharina Müller/Tim Dieck will go to Olympics if...
...they manage to score 149,84pts at least and manage to keep a distance of 3,76pts to L/P; and K/N and U/S do not manage to keep a distance of following points (21,01pts; 31,14pts)) to M/D.

Shari Koch/Christian Nüchtern will go to Olympics if...
...if they manage to score 170,55pts at least and keep a distance of following points (L/P 24,76pts; M/D 21,01pts) and U/S not manage to keep a distance of 10,13pts to K/N.

Jennifer Urban/Benjamin Steffan will go to Olympics if...
...if they manage to score 180,97pts at least and keep a distance of following points (L/P 34,98pts; M/D 31,14pts; K/N 10,13pts) to U/S.

Overall thoughts:
- If Peter makes it to Olympics, I hope Fentz is chosen for worlds.
- If Schott messes up at Euros and finishes below GER#2, I hope German Fed is still sending her to worlds. Every result of her this season (besides Nice) was superior than any result of another lady, one bad competition should not be punished here.
- If H/S finish ahead of H/B and not make it to olympics, I hope there will be a fair skate-off for worlds.
- Depending on the results of nationals, a fair skate-off for the dance spot in worlds might be appreciated. I would like to see the olympic/worlds spot split here between L/P and M/D. (Though I see it's not clever stopping the possible momentum of one team after great olympics)
 
Jeschke said:
...Dastich not manages to score 195,44pts at least and keeps a distance of 28,08pts to Schott.
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:rofl:

Jeschke said:
Dastich will go to Euros if...
...German Fed is not messing up.
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:rofl: :rofl:

Jeschke said:
- If Schott messes up at Euros and finishes below GER#2, I hope German Fed is still sending her to worlds. Every result of her this season (besides Nice) was superior than any result of another lady, one bad competition should not be punished here.
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Have some faith! Schott deserves Olympics, Euros, and Worlds! Sending anyone else would be suicidal. Besides, we need two spots for next season for Weinzierl can make a grand comeback. :p
 
Jeschke said:
Scenarios for nationals next weekend:

Liebers will go to Olympics if...
...he finishes ahead of Fentz.
...Fentz not manages to score 201,01pts at least and keeps a distance of 4,41pts to Liebers.

Fentz will go to Olympics if...
....he manages to score 201,01pts at least and keeps a distance of 4,41pts to Liebers.

Schott will go to Olympics if...
...she finishes ahead of Dastich.
...Dastich not manages to score 195,44pts at least and keeps a distance of 28,08pts to Schott.

Dastich will go to Olympics if...
...she manages to score 195,44pts at least and keeps a distance of 28,08pts to Schott.

Dastich will go to Euros if...
...German Fed is not messing up.

Weinzierl will go to Euros if...
...she wins nationals and german fed decides to give her a bye besides not having finished 3 events for the race.

Annika Hocke/Ruben Blommaert will go to Olympics if...
...they finish ahead of Hase/Seegert.
...Hase/Seegert not manage to score 194,09pts at least and keep a distance of 32,14pts to Hocke/Blommaert.

Minerva Fabienne Hase/Nolan Seegert will go to Olympics if...
...they manage to score 194,09pts at least and keep a distance of 32,14pts to Hocke/Blommaert.

Kavita Lorenz/Joti Polizoakis will go to Olympics if...
...they manage to finish 1st.
...the other teams not manage to score following points (M/D 149,84pts; K/N170,55pts; U/S 180,97pts) at least and keep a distance of following points (M/D 3,76pts; K/N 24,76pts; U/S 34,89pts) to L/P.

Katharina Müller/Tim Dieck will go to Olympics if...
...they manage to score 149,84pts at least and manage to keep a distance of 3,76pts to L/P; and K/N and U/S do not manage to keep a distance of following points (21,01pts; 31,14pts)) to M/D.

Shari Koch/Christian Nüchtern will go to Olympics if...
...if they manage to score 170,55pts at least and keep a distance of following points (L/P 24,76pts; M/D 21,01pts) and U/S not manage to keep a distance of 10,13pts to K/N.

Jennifer Urban/Benjamin Steffan will go to Olympics if...
...if they manage to score 180,97pts at least and keep a distance of following points (L/P 34,98pts; M/D 31,14pts; K/N 10,13pts) to U/S.

Overall thoughts:
- If Peter makes it to Olympics, I hope Fentz is chosen for worlds.
- If Schott messes up at Euros and finishes below GER#2, I hope German Fed is still sending her to worlds. Every result of her this season (besides Nice) was superior than any result of another lady, one bad competition should not be punished here.
- If H/S finish ahead of H/B and not make it to olympics, I hope there will be a fair skate-off for worlds.
- Depending on the results of nationals, a fair skate-off for the dance spot in worlds might be appreciated. I would like to see the olympic/worlds spot split here between L/P and M/D. (Though I see it's not clever stopping the possible momentum of one team after great olympics)
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DEU has made it pretty clear who goes to Europeans and Worlds. It's written in the Nominierungskriterien https://www.eislauf-union.de/files/users/sloehle/DEUNominierungskriterien2017-2018_24.10.2017.pdf
There will be no skate offs. They have had 4 competitions for qualifying for the Olympics and Europeans. The best teams of Europeans will go to Worlds. So practically the winner takes it all. Bad luck to the "loosers", but everybody has had their chances.
 
There will be one exception in ice dance: if the pair at Europeans places top 12 it will go to Worlds. If not DEU will decide who will go.
 
Schott goes everywhere, she's just getting better and better. If the federation doesn't want to send their best skater, then they are more messed up than I thought. (But they've done some weird stuff in the past:p) Funny thing is I never paid much attention to Schott before this season, but now she's given me a reason to. Good girl.

I had no idea I was so invested in Fentz! I guess I was just so damned impressed with his worlds outing last year. Who believed? Who cared? Well, he did it anyway! I've always found Liebers incredibly dull, and here he comes along and might even get to the Olympics. Good for him being back from injury, but he better at least try that quad at Nationals... Fentz has something so OES engaging over him. I need him to slay next weekend. Slay! #teamfentz
 
Sabine-Yuna said:
DEU has made it pretty clear who goes to Europeans and Worlds. It's written in the Nominierungskriterien https://www.eislauf-union.de/files/users/sloehle/DEUNominierungskriterien2017-2018_24.10.2017.pdf
There will be no skate offs. They have had 4 competitions for qualifying for the Olympics and Europeans. The best teams of Europeans will go to Worlds. So practically the winner takes it all. Bad luck to the "loosers", but everybody has had their chances.
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I know that's why I only mentioned that as 'hopes', I still would not be fine with H/B going to worlds (without a skate-off) if they lose nationals to H/S. H/S would lead the head-to-head with 2-1 by then and H/B did of course profit from the horrendous home judging at Nebelhorn Trophy, where the skated extremly well, but were tremendously overscored.

Same for Fentz, he would lead head-to-head by 1-0 against Liebers. So i can only double the following:
SmallFairy said:
I need him to slay next weekend. Slay! #teamfentz
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Sabine-Yuna said:
There will be one exception in ice dance: if the pair at Europeans places top 12 it will go to Worlds. If not DEU will decide who will go.
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I wonder how that decision will be made in the end, as I can't see L/P nor M/D finishing top12 to be honest. I guess this would be the most likely one to split spots.

SmallFairy said:
Schott goes everywhere
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According to the rules she doesn't if she loses to Dastich at Euros :p

#teamschott
#teamfentz
#teamfairplayforhaseseegert
#teamidontknowfordance
 
I can't see the problem you have with H/B. Even if you don't count Nebelhorn (where H/B skated a brilliant Free) H/S have never reached scores like H/B (CS BLR, Cup of Nice), although they have had 4 years to prepare compared to a couple of months H/B have had. So there is definitely more potential on H/B than on H/S and as I hope DEU sticks to their rules in case of Dastich I hope they'll do the same with H/B. This pair was the only one who has had to make their way to the Olympics without funding. A big disadvantage they have managed.
 
Side note: love the german team spirit these days:
Schott, Blommaert and Polizoakis with comments and congrats on/to the Empress on their IG live stories :respec:

Joti:'I am crying' :P

I like that we might have a 'real' team in Korea, supporting each other!

Go #teamgermany :hat1:!
 
#juniorrace update:

Men:
183,27 Jonathan Hess (Cup of Tyrol)
172,39 Dennis Gurdzhi (Santa Claus Cup)
161,54 Isaak Droysen (Cup of Tyrol)
153,41 Kai Jagoda (Tallinn Trophy)
150,09 Daniel Sapoznikov (Santa Claus Cup)
146,12 Louis Weissert (Cup of Tyrol)

Ladies:
146,55 Lea Johanna Dastich (JGP CRO)
143,01 Ann-Christin Marold (Cup of Tyrol)
131,05 Franziska Kettl (Golden Spin of Zagreb)
121,35 Tiffany Klaunig (Cup of Tyrol)
120,88 Lutricia Bock (Cup of Nice)
118,42 Nicole Calderari (Cup of Tyrol)
116,67 Linn Jörgensen (Cup of Tyrol)
115.67 Carolin Hess (Cup of Tyrol)
110,60 Catharina Hausladen (Cup of Tyrol)
103,66 Laura Morath (Cup of Tyrol)
101,03 Sabrina Weis (Skate Celje)
88,24 Kristina Isaev (JGP LAT)
87,97 Lea Schwamberger (Cup of Tyrol)
83,10 Maelle Oberländer (Cup of Tyrol)

Pairs:
138,64 Talisa Thomalla / Robert Kunkel (JGP POL)

Ice Dance
126,98 Ria Schwendinger / Valentin Wunderlich (Open d'Andorra)
110,60 Sabrina Bittner / Andrej Lebed (International Halloween Cup)
109,55 Lara Luft / Asaf Kazimov (Santa Claus Cup)*
109,36 Charise Matthaei / Maximilian Pfisterer (Golden Spin of Zagreb)*
86,11 Anne-Marie Wolf / Max Liebers (Open d'Andorra)*
78,10 Julia Albrecht / Kai Hoferichter (Santa Claus Cup)*
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* still missing fed criteria
 
Wait, what??! When did Fentz got passed by Liebers. He was leading the race last time I checked. I adore Peter but I feel Paul deserves his chance this time.
 
Peter represented Germany very well at the last Olympics, particularly in the team event where everyone was like, "Germany, who?" after Savchenko and Szolkowy passed that event up in favor of concentrating on solo gold.

Neither him or Fentz have a had spectacular fall season, so if Liebers comes out on top at German Nationals, he "deserves" it just as much, if not more, than ho-hum Fentz.
 
casken said:
Peter represented Germany very well at the last Olympics, particularly in the team event where everyone was like, "Germany, who?" after Savchenko and Szolkowy passed that event up in favor of concentrating on solo gold.
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I think Peter's solo outing, where he suddenly appeared in the final flight and managed to come in 8th was even more :cheer2:

casken said:
Neither him or Fentz have a had spectacular fall season, so if Liebers comes out on top at German Nationals, he "deserves" it just as much, if not more, than ho-hum Fentz.
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I still think there is a big difference; Peter went safe all season long (ya, I know he came of injury) and was very lucky with the Tallinn PCS judging, while Fentz tried at least to keep up with the current development and went for the quads. Additionally, Fentz had to chose between GP and CS, and could not go for another CS.

But it's good, there arer different opinions. I will cheer crazy for #teamfentz and hope the boy remains on his feet this weekend:drama:
 
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Speaking of German Fed, they published the final standinds heading into the weekend
https://www.eislauf-union.de/files/users/bettgenhaeuser/Protokoll-OWS-QualiStand11.12.2017.pdf

Liebers still listed as if he skated a GP, Fentz not, Hase/Seegert with wrong points from Minsk (they were listed with the scores of Connors/Krasnopolski, who placed above them), Bock removed as she can't skate nationals, but Weinzierl remains on the list though she won't have 3 events counting in the end :huh:

I know mistakes can happen, but personnaly, I think this is kinda embarassing for a fed publishing this (especially counting with the wrong points :shuffle: not that this would help H/S)
 
Jeschke said:
According to this article (quoting König) Savchenko/Massot are going for 2ThA in the SP at nationals :shuffle:
http://www.sport.de/news/ne3007448/savchenko-massot-als-glanzlicht-bei-olympia/
Flip at olympics please, no experiments please.

Article mentions back problems of Weinzierl, and says 'Dastich wants to fight for the second euros spot'.:shuffle:
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The flip hurts her hip. Maybe she's just resting at Nationals. I hope. They need to skate clean at the Olympics. I suspect if she's going to try the 3A again, it will be at Europeans.
 
Alexander König after GPF that they will just go for elements which are consistent (I doubt that the 3ATh will ever be consistent).

I think they just want to have a test with the Axel layout now. Aljona wants to make things clear. With a clean Chinese program they have a little disadvantage in the SP and so the Axel is not out.


Little detail: The required elements this season are a bit disadvantageous for Aljona and Bruno.

no group 5 lift (means less GOE for the lift in general)
no BoDs (Aljona is the queen of this hard death spiral)
no solo spin (Aljona and Bruno have owned the solo spins since Helsinki)
 
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crossposting...
text_skate said:
Pre-national articles
- in daily newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung about S/M (in German) "Dancing Bolero with death spiral" http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/al...-sie-tanzen-bolero-mit-todesspirale-1.3792637
- nicely writen article which focuses on their "masterpiece".
- 2nd page: König is quoted: in pair skating all the top teams on an equal level concerning qualitiy of elements, where is then the difference? We try to fill the "void" (my interpretation) between elements with ice dance. Dean says, that he has the feeling, pair skating has more liberties than ice dance, which once were the avantgarde of the sport, the only other pair than S/M are the Chinese, who are imagening picture on the ice

- in hessenschau, regional public service plattform: http://www.hessenschau.de/sport/meh...frankfurt-auf,eiskunstlauf-frankfurt-100.html
- with short video where Aliona says that you're never perfect, you'll try to be better and better, never stop evolving, everything could be better, will be better
- first video is with Marika Kilius (in Germany pairs skating is still around her, Aliona and Bruno are in the studio with her), Kilius says new system destroys figure skating, she says, she dosen't understand system (imo this sums up, why there is no broader figure skating audience in Germany – nobody ever made an effort to explain the "new" system to a broader audience)
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text_skate said:
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Nothing really new in this article. Aljona and Bruno improved her SB by more than 13 points. Do not know where the 15 points are coming from. :rolleyes:

Oh yeah Maria Kilius! This statement made me really angry.:argue: This was a statement by a person with definitly no clue invited by people with no clue. What an embarassing situation. After period of 15 years Kilius should know way more about this system than "I do not get it. [That is why it is a bad thing, because everything I do not understand are bad things:yikes:]"
 
Quadjump said:
Nothing really new in this article. "
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Basically you're right. New is half a page text plus photo in this morning's newspaper Süddeutsche, the biggest daily (non tabloid) in Germany. Not a news agency piece and without any mentioning of Kilius. This is progress :)
 
In an article in local newspaper Mannheimer Morgen (behind "pay wall", cache) Nathalie Weinzierl talks about her future plans:
-not retiring, in for the next quad, fighting for German title this year
-had a foot injury before Minsk
-Tallin: she has problems with her circulation, before FS she felt very dizzy, so she couldn't start
-needs medication occacionally for dizzy spells, during compettion it's forbidden, she tried to get a TUE from NADA, which was declined, she'll try again

I guess @alchemy void will be very happy
 
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