Fernandez vs Uno- silver medal

[judgejudy27]

Who do you feel should have won the silver. They were seperated by less than 2 points. Personally I would have gone with Fernandez, I was surprised to see Unos quad loop did not get an < call, and I would have bumped his PCS and a few of his GOE (he had a lot of shaky landings) down a bit.

 

[Ohyes]

Fernandez should have gotten silver here. He was near perfection in the free while Shoma had a massive fall on his first jump that was costly of points.

 

[coppertop1]

Fernandez popped his quad to a double, which cost him several points

 

[shady82]

Most certainly Fernandez, who although did easier jumps, has much higher quality of jumps and overall skating. Uno is so talented but I find his skating to be stagnating recently, even if his scores at the Olympics do not reflect it.

 

[judgejudy27]

Oh no doubt Fernandez had a couple big mistakes himself. It is more I guess a frustration with the system than the actual scoring that a popped jump that still looks pleasing and nice, when the skater has already done by any measure a lot of clean and strong technical content (as Fernandez did with 2 clean quads and many clean triples) is worth so many less points than a quad that has an ugly fall, and in the case of the quad loop for Uno a jump he seemingly cant even do and only added to keep falling or missing and get tons of points on anyway.

And I am surprised some of the jumps Uno had to fight badly to hold onto got positive GOE. Very strange. Would dock several of those, and lower the PCS a tad too. Fernandez meanwhile was scored pretty accurately all around IMO.

It is too bad about the doubled salchow. Without that he had a great shot of winning over Hanyu who didnt skate his best. The points he probably lost on that or as much or more than his losing margin to the gold.

 

[screech]

I'd have given it to Javi, though he's my favourite. I also think that if he'd landed the quad, a case could have been made to consider him for at least beating Yuzu in the LP

 

[Lanie]

Javi, for sure.

 

[gk_891]

Fernandez should have gotten silver here. He was near perfection in the free while Shoma had a massive fall on his first jump that was costly of points.

While I think there's a very good argument for Fernandez to have been second, Shoma's major fall didn't cost him that much. It was deemed to be rotated enough to receive full credit (minus GOE) which means he gained points from it. Fernandez's double salchow on the other hand gained him very little.

 

[Vash01]

They often say it is better to rotate and fall on a jump than to reduce the rotations. The double salchow instead of a quad probably cost Javi the silver.

 

[MAXSwagg]

Shoma's 4Lo was absolutely under-rotated, and a borderline down-grade. It is one of the most clear-cut cases. Tech panel was so strict on step sequences but couldn't see this UR that anyone could see from a mile away? Javier certainly deserved silver. Also, as one mentioned, he had a minor mistake with the 2S and two very sightly tight landings, whereas Shoma had a huge fall and most of his jumps had severe issues. It's a shame that Javi would have silver if he just rotated and splatted on the damn 4S instead of doubling and giving a relatively clean performance. Why is the ISU not addressing this more aggressively??

 

[AxelAnnie]

I think Javi got hosed in PCS. Should have been ahead of Uno

 

[Vash01]

Shoma's 4Lo was absolutely under-rotated, and a borderline down-grade. It is one of the most clear-cut cases. Tech panel was so strict on step sequences but couldn't see this UR that anyone could see from a mile away? Javier certainly deserved silver. Also, as one mentioned, he had a minor mistake with the 2S and two very sightly tight landings, whereas Shoma had a huge fall and most of his jumps had severe issues. It's a shame that Javi would have silver if he just rotated and splatted on the damn 4S instead of doubling and giving a relatively clean performance. Why is the ISU not addressing this more aggressively??

Blame the rules, not the judging. I think the issue (fall with rotations vs. reducing the rotations by one) will be addressed in the future. There is no easy solution, however.

I thought Javier looked more confident and more mature overall, but doubling the quad salchow meant leaving too many points on the table. I think it was almost a gold or bronze situation for Javi.

 

[MAXSwagg]

Blame the rules, not the judging. I think the issue (fall with rotations vs. reducing the rotations by one) will be addressed in the future. There is no easy solution, however.

I thought Javier looked more confident and more mature overall, but doubling the quad salchow meant leaving too many points on the table. I think it was almost a gold or bronze situation for Javi.

The judging did partly cost him the silver. Had the technical panel correctly called Shoma’s 4Lo, Javier would have silver.

 

[lala]

I voted to Superjavi!

 

[Amantide]

I don't like either of them, but I sure go with Fernandez here. Shoma has been gifted with GoE's like they were cookies, and not called UR for so long. I am glad Fernandez won this.

As for popped jumps, I hate them. I don't care that you do not fall. A popped jump is displeasing in my eyes. I much prefer a skater who goes for the full jump and fall, rather than abort.

 

[judgejudy27]

I agree with @Vash01 that it was almost a gold or bronze situation with Javi as it turned out. Since had he done the quad salchow with positive GOE like he usually can he very likely makes up the 12+ points he needs to pass Hanyu and win the gold medal. Since his program did not have even close to the difficulty of Chen, Hanyu, or Uno he couldnt afford many mistakes.

I still believe Uno's quad loop should have been called underrotated though which would have already docked him the 2 points to lose the silver, and he got numerous generous GOE and slightly generous PCS relative to Hanyu, Fernandez, and imparticular Chan. I love Uno but he has been overscored awhile. Had it not been for a silly time deduction he would have won the GPF over Chen despite that he had about twice as many mistakes over the two programs as Chen, less difficulty, and lesser quality jumps and even spins (although justifiably better PCS) which would have been a wrong result so thankfully the time deduction prevented it. I sometimes think he has the "cute" factor in his favor since he is so tiny and adoreable.

 

[Vash01]

I am wondering if skaters can appeal if another skater's UR is not called by the tech panel? I suspect that provision is not there .

 

[Winnipeg]

Javi

 

[Meoima]

They often say it is better to rotate and fall on a jump than to reduce the rotations. The double salchow instead of a quad probably cost Javi the silver.

Tech panel robbed Javi of a silver actually: https://youtu.be/g99hdYliG4w