Boyang withdrew from gpf?

[aliceanne]

Jin was looking really slow in the long program at Skate America. At least on YT it looked as if he were barely moving at all between major elements. I'm surprised he didn't withdraw then.

 

[Jammers]

Well, first we will forbid quads. Then in athletic we will forbid running under certain time, because it takes toll on the athletes’ body, and then there will be no need any sports that measures speed because after we ban ‘too fast’ running/driving/riding/swimming etc, there will be more competition. From skating and gymnastics we will make show skating and show gymnastics... lovely.

Also everyone will get a trophy since competition is frowned upon by some people and there can be no losers.

 

[MsZem]

Also everyone will get a trophy since competition is frowned upon by some people and there can be no losers.

By all means, bread and circuses! Never mind if people's brains are damaged by concussions in the NFL, female athletes lose their periods, adolescent pitchers need Tommy John surgery and skaters have hip replacements in their twenties.

It used to be that cyclists didn't wear helmets. Now we know better. It used to be that athletes trained without hydrating properly. Now we know better. It used to be that 14 year old gymnasts could compete in the Olympics. Now they're not, because that's too young. Progress isn't just about who can do the hardest things; it's also about making sure that training and competition are conducted safely and the athletes' health and best interests are protected.

Best wishes for a speedy recovery for Boyang Jin and hoping for a good showing from Jason Brown.

 

[caseyedwards]

Said it many times american men are above quads and do not have to do quads to be successful

 

[BlueRidge]

By all means, bread and circuses! Never mind if people's brains are damaged by concussions in the NFL, female athletes lose their periods, adolescent pitchers need Tommy John surgery and skaters have hip replacements in their twenties.

It used to be that cyclists didn't wear helmets. Now we know better. It used to be that athletes trained without hydrating properly. Now we know better. It used to be that 14 year old gymnasts could compete in the Olympics. Now they're not, because that's too young. Progress isn't just about who can do the hardest things; it's also about making sure that training and competition are conducted safely and athlete's health and best interests are protected.

Best wishes for a speedy recovery for Boyang Jin and hoping for a good showing from Jason Brown.

We can create a new standard: the last one still living in the competition gets the win!

 

[overedge]

Said it many times american men are above quads and do not have to do quads to be successful

When did Boyang start competing for the US?

 

[RoseRed]

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see more WDs before next week, especially from NA or Canadian skaters.

It's like 4CC in an Olympic year. None of the Olympic team from the US will go and probably not the Canadian team either. Too far, too close to the Olympics.

Who do you think is going to WD from the Canadians? D/R have been working to put themselves back into that top group of pairs, so they wouldn't if healthy - it would only hurt their standing. Kaetlyn will certainly want to medal with Evgenia out. Honestly, the NA skaters don't have Europeans, so I doubt any of them would pull out to focus on the Olympics if healthy. We're not that close. Someone like Ashley might have, to focus on Nationals. All the Canadians, Nathan and the US dance teams are locks for the Olympics, so that would really only apply to Adam and Jason. I suppose if Adam's shoulder isn't in good enough shape he could, but he'll want to be there if possible - it sets him up well in body of work for the US team.

 

[Sylvia]

Tweeted after Jin's WD today:
https://twitter.com/Adaripp/status/936647268169478144
https://twitter.com/jasonbskates/status/936607637357191168
ETA: https://twitter.com/nathanwchen/status/936701460091346944

GPF Men's entries updated today: http://www.isuresults.com/events/gpjgpf1718/Entries_Men.htm

 

[caseyedwards]

When did Boyang start competing for the US?

Jin is replaced by quadless US Figure skater Jason Brown

 

[MsZem]

We can create a new standard: the last one still living in the competition gets the win!

I do not volunteer as tribute.

Jin is replaced by quadless US Figure skater Jason Brown

The meek (and quadless) shall inherit the earth.*

* Subject to availability. Void where prohibited and also if Hanyu, Jin and Chan do not withdraw from any GP events and Fernandez is not sick at CoC.

 

[overedge]

All the Canadians, Nathan and the US dance teams are locks for the Olympics,

Ice is slippery.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

@rfisher Yeah.... I almost think in an Oly year the GP series should start early October.. I mean Russian Nationals and a lot of others, Japan, etc, most European countries have their Nationals the week or two after the Final...

Then we know USA Fed says they wont send their Oly Team to 4CC... too much to get crammed in in the Oly Year....

 

[Seerek]

When I saw that he had opted to do the full run through of the long program at the Chinese test skates despite the 5 or 6 falls, I knew sooner or later that sustaining injury was inevitable.

 

[GarrAargHrumph]

I hope Jason is ready, mentally and physically.

For a trip to JPN, this is short notice.

It would be surprising if he is not ready. He was first alternate, and he knew that Jin was injured. His chances of going were decent.

 

[skateboy]

Quads are boring.

No, they're not.

 

[Carolla5501]

It would be surprising if he is not ready. He was first alternate, and he knew that Jin was injured. His chances of going were decent.

He wasn't even completely out of the running until last weekend so that's three or four days? If he is not ready it's because of something else not because he was a late addition

 

[PRlady]

Thrilled for Jason, really hope that Boyang can heal up to be ready for th Olympics. The GPF is now a mini US Nationals for the mens’ Olympic spots.

And it's going to be hard as hell for anyone else to get a spot unless someone bombs. The 'body of work' addition is going to get even a fourth-place finisher at Nats to Korea.

 

[GarrAargHrumph]

I agree - the US men should try to go to this GPF if they can. It'll add to their "body of work" for Oly team qualification, and may also elevate them in the eyes of the international judges. Although I think the judges do like the US men, regardless - if Jason could land a quad, for example, or even just skate 100% clean, his scores would be woah. They're already really quite good.

 

[RoseRed]

Ice is slippery.

Sure, but first of all, my point was that none of them are in a position where skipping it to train more for Nationals would make sense.

Second of all, which of them can you honestly see getting left behind if healthy? Of the Canadians, there is absolutely no way V/M aren't going no matter what they do at Nats. And Kaetlyn, we have 3 ladies spots and have you seen what the Canadian ladies behind her and Gabby have done this season? She's has a WSM - they'd send her even if she finished 4th, and I honestly can't imagine that happening even if she bombed. She finished ~55 points ahead of the 4th place lady at Nats last year, with a couple of falls. And D/R, well the other three Canadian pairs have all been up and down, they're x2 World Champions, they made the GPF, they'd also get named to the team, especially because of the team event. This is the selection criteria for the individual events FIY:

Skate Canada High Performance Development Committee will consult with the Skate Canada High Performance Director, and may also consult with National Team Coaches and other National Team Support Staff. The athlete assessment procedure involves weighing the relative strengths and weaknesses of the athletes and their competitive results in order to select the best athletes possible for a top result at the 2018 Olympic Winter Games. The HPDC will exercise discretion with regard to the relative weight and priority of the Selection Criteria as well as other relevant factors deemed appropriate in their decision making process and will take into account, in no specific order, the following criteria:

• Medalist at the 2016, and/or the 2017 ISU World Figure Skating Championships
• Placement at the 2018 Canadian Tire National Figure Skating Championships
• Top 10 placement at the 2016 and/or 2017 ISU World Figure Skating Championships
• Top 6 placement at the 2016 and/or 2017 ISU Four Continents Figure Skating Championships
• Qualifying for the 2015/2016, 2016/2017, and/or 2017/2018 ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating Final and/or the ISU Junior Grand Prix of Figure Skating Final
• Other relevant criteria deemed appropriate for selection

So yeah, V/M, D/R and Kaetlyn are absolute locks.

As for the Americans, they also consider body of work. Those 3 dance teams all have medal potential, all made the GPF, etc. Same with Nathan. Their bodies of work are such that I don't think there is any possibility that they aren't sent, even with a bad Nats. The US criteria have the tiers, so I broke it down for the skaters I named. I also added H/B since they'd be the most likely dance team to go instead of the top 3.

Tier 1
- 2018 U.S. Figure Skating Championships - TBD
- 2017 ISU Grand Prix Final - Nathan, S/S, H/D, C/B all made it
- 2017 ISU World Figure Skating Championships - S/S (3rd), Nathan (6th), C/B (7th), H/D (9th)

Tier 2
- 2017 Grand Prix Series Competitions - Nathan and S/S (1st, 1st), C/B (2nd, 2nd), H/D (3rd, 2nd), H/B (4th, 5th)
- 2017 Four Continents Figure Skating Championships - Nathan (1st), S/S (2nd), C/B (3rd), H/D (4th)

Tier 3
- 2017 Challenger Series Events and other senior international competitions - Nathan and H/D (1st USC), H/B (2nd USC)
- 2017 U.S. Figure Skating Championships - Nathan and S/S (1st), C/B (2nd), H/D (3rd), H/B (5th)
- 2017 World Junior Figure Skating Championships - not relevant
- 2017 ISU Junior Grand Prix Final - not relevant

 

[overedge]

@RoseRed I understand quite well already how the selection process works. My point is that skating is an unpredictable sport. Unexpected things can happen even to "locks".

 

[skatfan]

And it's going to be hard as hell for anyone else to get a spot unless someone bombs. The 'body of work' addition is going to get even a fourth-place finisher at Nats to Korea.

Yes, I think Jason going made makes it harder for Max to get there. He's going to really need to shine at US Nationals. I can't see how Vincent makes his case.

 

[VGThuy]

I mean if the U.S. men bomb in the GPF then I don't think the GPF helps their case. They still have to perform respectably.

 

[misskarne]

Yes, I think Jason going made makes it harder for Max to get there. He's going to really need to shine at US Nationals.

Basically the ultimate torture death scenario for a fan who's a fan of both.

 

[Mrs. P]

I mean if the U.S. men bomb in the GPF then I don't think the GPF helps their case. They still have to perform respectably.

Yes.

Granted this is a different time, but going to GPF (and medaling at both her GP events) did not help Ashley in 2010 when when she finished third behind Rachel and Mirai, who had so-so GP seasons. Mirai did not even medal at either of her two GP events.

I do grant that this happened during the Nationals at all costs period -- but there was a body of work consideration back then. And even them more openly embracing body-of-work, I don't see them taking that option willy nilly if one of the GPF guys ends up outside the top 3 (and they're completely out of consideration if they finish outside of the top 5). I will say that unless one/both (both is unlikely, but just throwing the possibility out there) of Jason and Adam end up on the podium, I don't think making GPF makes anyone a lock as far as the men go.

U.S. Ice Dance is different since those three teams have made the GPF three times (four for C/B and Shibs) and have been the world team throughout the last quad.

 

[Dobre]

It's like 4CC in an Olympic year.

It's not. Most of these guys planned their seasons with the GPF in mind. And many of them planned to add new content for their programs this season that they wanted to integrate successfully into their programs throughout the season. There is a plus in running your program in front of the audience before the big event. A sense of familiarity and confidence.

No one plans their season with the thought of spending a large portion injured. So while it is absolutely true that not everyone will be sad to miss out on the GPF, injury is not the way most people want to do it.

Look at last season in the men's field versus the programs we had at Worlds. The performances at Worlds were very successful by comparison. Three guys with really solid outings on the podium; and we all know it took a lot of rough outings for them to reach that point.

4 out of 5 of the last 5 Olympic men's gold medalists won the GPF during the same Olympic season. The only exception was Plushenko who likewise competed and won a comparable major championship at Europeans prior to his gold medal in 2006.

 

[pinky166]

Sad news so many injuries this season. Maybe the men need to chill a little with all the quads. Get better soon Boyang!

 

[MAXSwagg]

Boyang is barely 20.

Quad mania is destroying so many talented athletes right now.

People can have career-ending injuries from doubles. If you have good, pure foundations and technique, the chance for injury is minor. Hence why Javier, Patrick, Yuzu, Boyang, and others have not had significant injuries.

 

[MAXSwagg]

I mean if the U.S. men bomb in the GPF then I don't think the GPF helps their case. They still have to perform respectably.

If two of the three aren't on the podium, it will be a pathetic showing if only Nathan is on it. This is an incredibly watered down and dull Final not worth much, so one of Jason or Adam should be able to make it on the podium along with Nathan without trying much.

 

[overedge]

Sad news so many injuries this season. Maybe the men need to chill a little with all the quads.

As long as quads are worth a lot of points, and as long as there's no restriction on how many can be done in a program, no one's going to "chill a little".

 

[DreamSkates]

Injuries and elite athletes go hand and hand, regardless of the sport. Pushing the body to the limit athletically in any sport will lead to injuries, many times chronic.

Skating with 2 sprained ankles!