Alexa Scimeca Knierim and Chris Knierim

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This is a coaching situation I’m really excited to see going forward but, i have to say, i feel like Aliona is teaching Alexa how to Slater like her, instead of finding the right style for Alexa and Chris. I thought it when i saw the new programs but after hearing a recent interview , i really think it’s the truth.

What i admire about teams that Moskvina or even dance teams Zueva produced is that they were organic teams and their packGing highlighted the strengths of the teams. Dmitriev looked diffferent in both partnerships. Berezhnaya looked like no one Tamara ever coached however ,Yuko Kawaguti tried to duplicate Elena’s style and it was often unbearable to watch.

I’m interested in seeing this develop however i hope they find their own voice.
 
There are alot opinions about this at the moment since they just debuted this past weekend.

I have been a long time fan of them since they paired in 2011/2012 I believe. Jumps weren't an issue then and they really stood out. As the seasons go by its his jumps that dont seem to be improving. His combo in the free program was a double/single whereas she fell.

The youtube comments I noticed were all mostly very supportive which is good that a lot of people could see the changes in skating skills, transitions, lifts etc.

I have had a few discussions with posters here about them and maybe we think Aliona is trying to change too much too soon.

I would try and fix the jumps and the required SBS spin for the SP. Other people notice a new entrance going into the jumps, but if its going to result with falls Im not so sure.. but something needed to be done.

That SBS spin in the SP was one of worst they have done.

I also noticed their twist was only a level 2 and scored low for them.

One thing I noticed that is very Aliona are the throws at the very end of the free program.

I dont like either of their program selections (she's a firecracker, why the dreary music?) but I will be very curious to see them at their next event, which I guess will be SkAm.
 
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If I am to be honest, I was a bit disappointed when I watched them compete last weekend. However this interview seemed to shed some light on a few things for me. It seems that the amount of time they have actually spent working with their new coach is somewhat limited. Alexa and Chris also describe their process for choosing the music they did, etc. I am hopeful that things have a lot of potential to improve with more time. That's what I'm hoping anyway!!
 
I think this team needs time to work with their new coach(es?) and we'll see how it goes. They look like they are in much better shape, they are trying a lot of new things. From the interview, it sounds like Alexa and Aliona have a similar vibe and aesthetic, so this new version may be closer to their own styles.

I'm looking for more progress by Nationals/Worlds. Everything else is just growing.
 
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Makes me sad. I saw a lot of good stuff in their programs...Alexa sort of having a hard time with jump technique....but
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Me too. Chris looked great today though. Alexa was likely stressed to the max. It was kind of obvious that something was amiss. I do see the improvements in their skating and elements. Fingers crossed for them finding a suitable arrangement ?
 
I’m actually not that’s surprised. I wondered of Aliona would have enough time to coach considering all of her other commitments. I wonder if she just didn’t have the time to properly devote to them. I don’t think coaching a high-level pair is something that can be done on a part-time basis. I also wonder if Aliona realized that coaching just isn’t for her, at least at this point in time.
 
Alexa Scimeca Knierim and Chris Knierim split from coach Aliona Savchenko

https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2018...is-knierim-split-from-coach-aliona-savchenko/

“Whatever lies ahead, we’re gonna be going through it together,” Chris told Andrea Joyce after their performance. “That’s gonna help both of us over the next three-and-a-half years. We’ve taken so much from Aliona… we’re very grateful for the work that she’s done with us.”

They did not say if they were currently working with a coach.
 
Aljona did a lot for them but they were just intimidated by the amount of work needed and maybe Aljona was moving too quickly for them. He, however, I believe is not as hungry as his wife and is not particularly interested in putting in the work to fix his jumps so they may as well retire. I really loved their programs so many couples would have loved to skate with Aljona. Sad.
 
Aljona did a lot for them but they were just intimidated by the amount of work needed and maybe Aljona was moving too quickly for them. He, however, I believe is not as hungry as his wife and is not particularly interested in putting in the work to fix his jumps so they may as well retire. I really loved their programs so many couples would have loved to skate with Aljona. Sad.

He landed his jumps today!
 
Aljona did a lot for them but they were just intimidated by the amount of work needed and maybe Aljona was moving too quickly for them. He, however, I believe is not as hungry as his wife and is not particularly interested in putting in the work to fix his jumps so they may as well retire.

This is incredibly mean and has no relation to reality. Go and look at Chris' tweets from earlier this year in response to Phil Hersh's criticizing their performance at Worlds. Those are not the words of a skater who "is not particularly interested in putting in the work".
 
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This is incredibly mean and has no relation to reality. Go and look at Chris' tweets from earlier this year in response to Phil Hersh's criticizing their performance at Worlds. Those are not the words of a skater who "is not particularly interested in putting in the work".
What's this with calling everybody mean man, I'm just sharp like chedda.

But in all seriousness. I sensed from their previous outing that they were disappointed with their performance. It's like they expected changes and improvements with Aljona immediately. I was so taken aback by how their basic skating improved and just the rich detail in their programs.

As for.the complaint of them begining to skate like Aljona she is their coach. It's their job as adult pair skaters to incorporate that into their own style.

Now also we're just speculating. Maybe Aljona and their work ethic just didn't jive and as such they've used their get out of jail card. It's just odd to see them move on so quickly.

Maybe external factors are at play here. Anyhoo.
 
It’s interesting that there may have been a disagreement regarding “work ethic”, or training time/intensity. The thought that immediately came to me was that Aljona’s standards are likely extremely high. Just look at her own career. The woman has been to 5 Olympic Games with 3 different partners. Stubborn in the best possible way, however...not everyone can work this intensely.

And re Chris. This weekend at SA, he was a rock. And for the first time, I really saw his improvements across the elements and he landed the sbs jumps. Well done. Especially under the awkward circumstances. It was awful to see them alone in the K & C.

I’m not taking sides. I only wish Chris and Alexa a good new coach and a path to 2022 if that’s what they want. ?
 
Hmmmm... Aliona cutting her teeth on such an established pair? That’s tricky! You can call her a hard worker and demanding and that’s fine when it comes to her career. As a teacher, or as someone that is tasked with making someone ELSE be the best that THEY can be, selecting what to be rigid about is what will determine the outcome. It’s less important that Alexa become like Aliona than it is for Alexa to be the best skater and best partner. When an athlete or performer switches to teaching someone else, the only thing the teacher is good at initially is being themselves. That means nothing to the student though. I think that Alexa had a “ girl crush on Aliona and instead of maybe going to Germany for a week or month, she switched coaches totally, not factoring in Aliona’s inexperience with teaching.

I think about my journey losing weight recently. I do have a trainer now and the first thing he did was asses where i was and set realistic goals for me. It’s taken me 10 months to lose 35 lbs, not because my body loses weight slowly but because it took that long for me to confront myself and my will and get some best practices in place. In January, i drank “ a few” mon-sat. I ate out probably 5 times a week. I barely drank water. My workout routine wasn’t bad but it was not where it is now by any means. Also, I went to sleep late and always drove right past the gym on my way home. Now, as I type this, my meals are prepared for the week, I weigh in every other week with someone. I workout before work and only really eat out every other weekend. I barely drink and I’m dropping weight like crazy.

Had my trainer piled a workout routine on me that was crazy, I would not have stuck with it, I would have not been able to figure out how to adjust everything else that contributes to me being successful. I have friends that are bodybuilders and when i work with them, they have no intention on helping me with incremental growth, they want me to be at their level TODAY and don't understand why i am not!. Alexa and Chris do need a change in order to become their best. It was a good experience for them to try Aliona. I do hope they go to a coach that can meet them WHERE THEY ARE and implement a plan or strategy to get them to where they need to be. Unlike Tarasova and Morozov that just need better programs, ALL the elements are not fully baked with them so there is a lot of work to do. The good thing is, they’re already uncomfortable, in a good way. I would not be surprised if one day they are as fit and trained as Aliona wanted them to be but it was way too much too soon.
 
What's this with calling everybody mean man, I'm just sharp like chedda.

But in all seriousness. I sensed from their previous outing that they were disappointed with their performance. It's like they expected changes and improvements with Aljona immediately. I was so taken aback by how their basic skating improved and just the rich detail in their programs.

As for.the complaint of them begining to skate like Aljona she is their coach. It's their job as adult pair skaters to incorporate that into their own style.

Now also we're just speculating. Maybe Aljona and their work ethic just didn't jive and as such they've used their get out of jail card. It's just odd to see them move on so quickly.

Maybe external factors are at play here. Anyhoo.

But you know what @Bigbird, we don't know who pulled the trigger on the split. We can speculate till the cows come home though. You seem to be blaming Alexa & Chris. I don't think blame is called for in this situation. It didn't work out, and frankly it could be Aliona who found that she wasn't completely fulfilled and happy being a coach. She seemed to indicate that in her interview with Bruno, conducted at Nebelhorn Trophy (where the Knierims' debuted their programs this season). If we look back, I think it was apparent that Aliona wished to impart her knowledge and give coaching a try, but the extent of her full commitment to coaching was uncertain from the beginning, due to her planned show skating commitments. We don't know the intimate details of any of the conversations between the parties in question.

At this point, I simply appreciate the grace with which Chris & Alexa have handled the split announcement. And I also appreciate the improvements I see in their skating. I wish all parties well. And maybe some of us fans might consider tryiing to emulate the grace, dignity and courage of Alexa & Chris, and indeed of Aliona.
 
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Aljona did a lot for them but they were just intimidated by the amount of work needed and maybe Aljona was moving too quickly for them. He, however, I believe is not as hungry as his wife and is not particularly interested in putting in the work to fix his jumps so they may as well retire. I really loved their programs so many couples would have loved to skate with Aljona. Sad.

I am afraid that there may be truth in this. I wonder what the experience with this pair was like for Aliona. Coaching a married pair? I don't know Chris or Alexa but he seems very passive as a man. Not in a Sergei Grinkov understated way but in a disengaged way. That said, he does seem like he is over his jump insecurity more so than ever. I still think that it must be difficult to manage a married couple as a coach. The husband may agree deep down with what the coach is saying but knows better than to agree in front of the coach for fear of leaving the rink with an unhappy wife LOL. I don't know. Maybe i'm completely wrong but i bet Aliona learned a lot from this as well in terms of finding a roadmap that is suitable for others. Or, maybe her mantra will be do what i say or find another coach.

Evgenia for instance is in Canada hungry as hell to learn and is willing to try all kinds of changes. Sasha Cohen spoke about Tarasova changing EVERYTHING at once and how difficult that was. I wish Aliona the best as a coach and i wish this team well too.
 
I am afraid that there may be truth in this. I wonder what the experience with this pair was like for Aliona. Coaching a married pair? I don't know Chris or Alexa but he seems very passive as a man. Not in a Sergei Grinkov understated way but in a disengaged way. That said, he does seem like he is over his jump insecurity more so than ever. I still think that it must be difficult to manage a married couple as a coach. The husband may agree deep down with what the coach is saying but knows better than to agree in front of the coach for fear of leaving the rink with an unhappy wife LOL. I don't know. Maybe i'm completely wrong but i bet Aliona learned a lot from this as well in terms of finding a roadmap that is suitable for others. Or, maybe her mantra will be do what i say or find another coach.

Evgenia for instance is in Canada hungry as hell to learn and is willing to try all kinds of changes. Sasha Cohen spoke about Tarasova changing EVERYTHING at once and how difficult that was. I wish Aliona the best as a coach and i wish this team well too.

I would hesitate to make a number of the assumptions you have made, just from viewing Chris, but not actually knowing him. We on the outside looking in do this all the time, of course. But it doesn't make our speculations accurate. Heck, in reality, none of us know ourselves or our closest relatives as well as we often think we do. :lol:

Chris seeming to be the strong, silent type gives us no indication of the likely strength of his inner passions. IOW, I would be careful about assuming that Chris is continuing competitively only for Alexa and not for himself too. And we don't know anything about either of their commitments and devotion to training hard. Negative views are just speculation, unless we have valid and confirmed eye-witness insider knowledge. :P

As far as Chris' jumping, perhaps he's modified his technique. Also we should realize that some of his more recent difficulties with the sbs jumps partly stemmed from his injuries, which are healed AFAIK. Good luck to Chris & Alexa.
 
Respectfully aftershocks maybe I was a bit too harsh, but more than that may be more than a bit disappointed. I hope things will work out for the best.
 
but more than that may be more than a bit disappointed.

Sure, and thanks for your response. We all get caught up in our emotions for the skaters we love. I know the feeling. I was so disappointed that Castelli/Tran's partnership could never get over the hump, but that's life, and figure skating. :)

It behooves us to be supportive regardless of what happens, but that's hard too, speaking from my own mixed emotions. So I try to enjoy the best moments.

For example, I'm just looking now at SA ice dance results and thinking how Lorraine & Quinn were more than slightly better than Tiff & Jonathan in the FD, as much as I enjoy Tiff & Jonathan too. I'm really impressed with how Lorraine & Quinn are improving. So there's some mixed emotions. The same for the Olympics where I rooted hard for the Shibs and for Hub/Don. It was hard managing feeling happy for one team and sad for the other. But life evens itself out in the long run, and so I guess trying to maintain an even keel about our sports fan passions is a good idea (easier said than done :p).
 
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Alexa could not land her jumps. All over I saw some rather fabulous additions and changes in their skating.

And, Alexa could not land her jumps. I am going to take a leap here and guess that Alojna was re-woking Alexa's jumps. Remember when Joannie Rochette fixed her lutz? Took her two years of messy competitions before she was able to depend on it. And, I think bronze at the OLYS was a pretty good reward.

I don't know who amongst the three of them wimped out, but I think it is a shame.
 
@Bigbird sensing that they were disappointed with their performance is not a valid basis for questioning their work ethic and their commitment.

And no, "we're" not just speculating here - *you* are the one doing the speculating, and doing it on very shaky evidence.
 
What do you think Alexa and Chris are going to do in the short term, i.e., until their next GP?

Do they have ice time set up in Chicago, or were they training full time in Germany?
 
What they need to decide if they haven’t already is if they want to be the best in the USA or the best that they can possibly be as well as the best in the world. There are 3 legs of the stool; the pair,the coach/trainers ,the federation. Aliona likely threw too much at them too fast ! Then, if she’s a rigid coach making no room for scaling back and Alexa and Chris weren’t comfortable , i see how it turned into a bending of someone’s will. I still think they bailed too soon; not even a whole season?

What’s funny is, Marina Zueva is the same way she just manages the psychology of the athletes better which Aliona is too new to know how to do. I hope Aliona learns a lot from this. I hope Alexa and Chris do too. You have to be wiling to go through what Mao Assad’s did. Not that it has to look that bad but the end result with Mao barring the dreaded fall in Sochi was just glorious.
 
I feel bad for all the parties involved. I wondered if Aljona's temperament would work as a coach, and for Kneirims, they were dealing with so many changes, including living abroad, I wonder if it was all too much.

This is a really tough time to be looking for a coach, I hope they find someone to work with.
 

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