2024-25 ISU Grand Prix Assignments & projected alternates

Yeah, it does seem odd that they are crossed off one event but not the others. I wonder if it's just a clerical delay with the other feds, they just haven't officially notified the ISU (I believe the w/d's go to the host fed, not the ISU?).

They are appealing. Presumably they have withdrawn them from the first event to allow replacement and, provided their appeals result in suspensions covering the second ones, they will be withdrawn from those.
 
It could be that the thought was the issue could be managed through PT and other non-invasive methods but that something happened to make surgery the best solution now.

Sort of like how Anthony Ponomarenko trying to deal with his longterm ankle injury or Spencer Howe and his shoulder injury - both pursued non-surgical treatments until surgery was the better choice.
This happens a lot. I didn't get my torn ACL sorted out for nearly a year ('you just hyper-extended it'). I did physical therapy and stuff, it didn't help whatsoever until I finally got another orthopedist to order an MRI 🤦‍♀️

Surgery being invasive I doubt any athlete wants to deal with that, so they try non-invasive methods first and if all else fails then you go for surgery. It takes a lot out of you!
 

So then are these substitutions going in exact order of the alternate list as they are supposed to?
 
So then are these substitutions going in exact order of the alternate list as they are supposed to?
Yes. Elyce is now at the top of the Alternates list and will get the next two that open up. It's going to be interesting to see what happens with the SkAm host TBD spot and who wins the skate-off at Cranberry Cup. Elyce is next in line for the next two vacancies and there seems every likelihood that Lee & You will be withdrawn from NHK & Finlandia respectively.

Does this not mean Efimova/Mitrofanov are top of the Pairs list from the split couple rule for her score in 22/23 with Blommaert? Because that’s what I’ve been assuming.
Hmmmmmm... I assumed that the 22-23 score wouldn't transfer over due to her country switch but you may be correct. We may not know until we see the first WD and replacement.
Well, we have our answer. Danilova/Tsiba got the NHK spot and since the USA only had two teams assigned to NHK, it would have gone to Efimova/Mitrofanov had her 22-23 score with Blommaert transferred over when she switched feds.

The next pairs assignment will tell us whether or not Skate Canada submitted Bombardier/Mimar for initial selection. They're ahead of Holichenko/Darenskiy on the SB list using his 22-23 score with McIntosh.

I'm still really curious what happened with Caldara/Maglio and why they didn't get an initial GP assignment since they were on the the WS Top 24 at the end of last season. They're way down at 45 on the SB list, so the chances of them getting a GP assignment as an alternate are pretty slim.
 
Who is the next alternate pair team after tsiba that got NHK?
Updating all the Alternates Lists:

Men -
Torgashev (GPdF)
J Lim (NHK)
Yoshioka (SkAm)
Carrillo (SkAm)
Hy Kim (CoC)
Samoilov (Finlandia)
Reshtenko
M Selevko
Hiwatashi (NHK)
Sadovsky (SCI)
Kapeikis
Le May
Y Chen (CoC)
Ha Kim
Tsuboi
Levandi
Broussard
Shmuratko
Nakamura
Naumov (SkAm)
Daniliants
Kataise
Starostin
Rakic (SCI)
Nordeback
Y Cha
Strommer
Hammi
S Lee
Zandron
Folkesson
Appleby
Guarino Sabate
Kulish
Ma
Rossi
Jagoda
Xie

Women -
Aoki (SkAm - Japan is maxed out everywhere so she will only get a 2nd spot at either NHK or if another JPN woman WDs)
Lin-Gracey
Mikutina (SkAm)
Seniuk
Andrews
Ruiter (SCI)
Dupuis (SCI)
Seo
Ting
Choi
Miclette
Kawabe
Paganini
Everhardt
H Chen (CoC)
Sauter

Pairs - this list is going to be the most fluid as teams will be added as each of the early Challengers happens and they will be inserted based upon those current season Challenger scores
Bombardier/Mimar (uncertain if Skate Canada submitted them on the initial GP selection list - if not then they won't be on the Alternates list)
Holichenko/Darenskiy
Vaipan-Law/Digby (SkAm)
Chtchetninina/Wozniak
Martins/Bedard
Piegad/Strekalin (GPdF)
Schaller/Mayr
Williams/Lewer (Finlandia)
Kucianova/Bidar
Gamez/Korovin
Smart/Mattick
Crafoord/Crafoord
Caldara/Maglio
Roscher/Schuster
Nagaoka/Moriguchi (NHK)

Ice Dance -
Harris/Chan (SCI)
Flores/Desyatov
Janse van Rensburg/Steffan (NHK)
Dupayage/Nabais (GPdF)
Fabbri/Ayer (SCI)
Soucisse/Firus
Tkachenko/Kiliakov (SkAm)
Bekker/Hernandez
Val/Kazimov
Manni/Roethlisberger
Bashynska/Beaumont
Pinchuk/Pogorielov (Finlandia)
Yoshida/Morita (NHK)
Lagouge/Caffa
Nosovitskaya/Nosovitskiy
Mazingue/Gaidajenko
Reitan/Majorov
Tanaka/Nishiyama
Simova/Aksenov
Hensen/Lickers
Ramanauskaite/Kizala
Terreaux/Perron
Larson/Kapran
Dozzi/Papetti
Matthaei/Liebers
Ignateva/Szemko
Ichilov/Kravchenko
 
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Yes. Elyce is now at the top of the Alternates list and will get the next two that open up. It's going to be interesting to see what happens with the SkAm host TBD spot and who wins the skate-off at Cranberry Cup. Elyce is next in line for the next two vacancies and there seems every likelihood that Lee & You will be withdrawn from NHK & Finlandia respectively.

So the person at the top of the list gets two?
 
Yes. Elyce is now at the top of the Alternates list and will get the next two that open up. It's going to be interesting to see what happens with the SkAm host TBD spot and who wins the skate-off at Cranberry Cup. Elyce is next in line for the next two vacancies and there seems every likelihood that Lee & You will be withdrawn from NHK & Finlandia respectively.
The U.S. women are maxed out at NHK so Lin-Gracey won’t replace Lee there.
 
So the person at the top of the list gets two?
If they don't have any assignments, yes.
The U.S. women are maxed out at NHK so Lin-Gracey won’t replace Lee there.
Oh, good catch! That means Mikutina is next in line for that spot and Elyce is next in line for the Finlandia spot that You has currently. I might still take a gamble, if I was the USFS, that Elyce picks up 2 spots elsewhere and give the SkAm host TBD spot to one of the other women competing in the Cranberry Cup skate-off if it's a close competition. No sense in burning a host spot on someone who is next in line for 2 spots.
 
I thought so as well. Do you find that strange?
What is strange about replacing vacated spots by priority of the previous SB Top 75 list rather than splitting it into groups of 10 and letting the host feds pick and choose who they want? That system has resulted in some pretty blatant bypassing of stronger skaters/teams and made for some appreciably weaker fields by the time some of these GPs happen. At least this way earning your place onto the Alternates list by virtue of your SB position from the previous season has some meaning and importance.
 
What is strange about replacing vacated spots by priority of the previous SB Top 75 list rather than splitting it into groups of 10 and letting the host feds pick and choose who they want? That system has resulted in some pretty blatant bypassing of stronger skaters/teams and made for some appreciably weaker fields by the time some of these GPs happen. At least this way earning your place onto the Alternates list by virtue of your SB position from the previous season has some meaning and importance.

If they weren’t high enough to get two to begin with, they always used to assign one if they got selected to be replacement? But two? it seems like if you were high enough to get two, you would’ve gotten two. Would like to see more people on the circuit that were in the middle level tier.
 
If they weren’t high enough to get two to begin with, they always used to assign one if they got selected to be replacement? But two? it seems like if you were high enough to get two, you would’ve gotten two. Would like to see more people on the circuit that were in the middle level tier.
No, not at all. I outlined what happened last season with the women, specifically, earlier this week - it was obvious the host feds were skipping over the higher ranked skaters, even ones who didn't have any GPs, in favor of lower-ranked ones. It is less obvious in ice dance because withdrawals rarely happen.

With the Men last season, Mark Gorodnitsky started off with one GP on the initial assignments list and never picked up a 2nd despite being SB 25 from 22-23, same with Max Naumov (SB 32) and Conrad Orzel (SB 33). Men who picked up 2nd assignments or 1st assignments instead were:

Kapeikis SB 36 (GP Espoo - there were 3 WDs from the initial list and I don't recall who replaced who) - 2nd assignment
Gogolev SB 38 (replaced Grassl at GPdF) - 2nd assignment
Shmuratko SB 41 (GP Espoo) - 1st assignment
Chiu SB 42 (replaced Grassl at NHK) - 2nd assignment
Starostin SB 45 (GP Espoo) - 1st assignment

I'd argue that it was extreme BS of the host feds to pass over Gorodnitsky, Naumov and Orzel in favor of guys who were anywhere from 10-20 spots lower on the SB list - especially 1st assignments.
 
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I think ANL is trying to say that it's odd that the highest person automatically gets two instead of going in order but prioritizing getting more people one.

That being said, I don't know that I would know how to make it so an athlete doesn't get two right away but comes back around on the list for a second one eventually.
 
I think ANL is trying to say that it's odd that the highest person automatically gets two instead of going in order but prioritizing getting more people one.

That being said, I don't know that I would know how to make it so an athlete doesn't get two right away but comes back around on the list for a second one eventually.

Yes, I always thought and was the case that if you’re going with the next highest rank skater as a replacement and there’s currently two available, they don’t just automatically take both of the placements. They would get one, yes, but two? I thought the second one will go to the next skater in line.
 
Yes, I always thought and was the case that if you’re going with the next highest rank skater as a replacement and there’s currently two available, they don’t just automatically take both of the placements. They would get one, yes, but two? I thought the second one will go to the next skater in line.
I hear this, but by the logic- why would Skater B get a second assignment before the higher-ranked Skater A got theirs-- one who started off with nothing at all as it is?

Sometimes in the past skaters have waited and waited in that first grouping of alternates only to keep getting passed by, typically by someone lower or moving up from a lower group.
 
Yes, I always thought and was the case that if you’re going with the next highest rank skater as a replacement and there’s currently two available, they don’t just automatically take both of the placements. They would get one, yes, but two? I thought the second one will go to the next skater in line.
Why should it? How do you then circle back around to that higher ranked skater to ensure they get a 2nd spot before someone WAY further down the SB list? How do you avoid a situation like what happened with the men last season where Gorodnitsky, Naumov and Orzel were being passed over in favor of men much further down the SB list?

I'm fine with the highest ranked skaters getting 2 assignments before the next person on the list is assigned one.
 
It just makes sense in my mind, and I always thought it was the case, that when they go for replacements, they’re supposed to technically start from the top and work their way down but they just don’t give the first available skater two assignments, then the next available two assignments. I feel like if you weren’t high enough to get two to begin with then the chances of getting a second one as a replacement should be slim.
 
It just makes sense in my mind, and I always thought it was the case, that when they go for replacements, they’re supposed to technically start from the top and work their way down but they just don’t give the first available skater two assignments, then the next available two assignments. I feel like if you weren’t high enough to get two to begin with then the chances of getting a second one as a replacement should be slim.
Again, you're going to make the argument that the SB 25 is less deserving of a 2nd assignment before the SB 45 is deserving of 1 assignment?
 
It just makes sense in my mind, and I always thought it was the case, that when they go for replacements, they’re supposed to technically start from the top and work their way down but they just don’t give the first available skater two assignments, then the next available two assignments. I feel like if you weren’t high enough to get two to begin with then the chances of getting a second one as a replacement should be slim.
Your logic here makes absolutely no sense. Read what you wrote.

They are going by a ranking system. Some skaters get initial invites over skaters higher-ranked than them, possibly because of federation politics or because of thinking a skater is less of a threat for home medals.

The skaters are high enough and that's why they are getting first dibs now. Should've been that way from the start.
 
I hear this, but by the logic- why would Skater B get a second assignment before the higher-ranked Skater A got theirs-- one who started off with nothing at all as it is?

43. Angela Nikodinov
44. Jill trenary (SC)
45. Naomi Nari Nam
46. Shizuka Arakawa
47. Jennifer Kirk
48. Beatrisa Liang (NHK)

OK, so in the above replacements list, say Ava Marie has now withdrawn from both of her assignments, Angela should not take both of them. I feel like Angela should get one and then Naomi.
 
43. Angela Nikodinov
44. Jill trenary (SC)
45. Naomi Nari Nam
46. Shizuka Arakawa
47. Jennifer Kirk
48. Beatrisa Liang (NHK)

OK, so in the above replacements list, say Ava Marie has now withdrawn from both of her assignments, Angela should not take both of them. I feel like Angela should get one and then Naomi.
And what about skaters 49, 50, 51, and 125 that ended up with two from the start?
 

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