2024-25 ISU Grand Prix Assignments & projected alternates

AngieNikodinovLove (ANL) said:
43. Angela Nikodinov
44. Jill trenary (SC)
45. Naomi Nari Nam
46. Shizuka Arakawa
47. Jennifer Kirk
48. Beatrisa Liang (NHK)

OK, so in the above replacements list, say Ava Marie has now withdrawn from both of her assignments, Angela should not take both of them. I feel like Angela should get one and then Naomi.
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I mean, if that's how you feel, you'd screw your current fave pairs team out of getting 2 assignments before 3 teams ranked below them in the SB list who already have 1 assignment get a 2nd.
 
tony said:
And what about skaters 49, 50, 51, and 125 that ended up with two from the start?
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That’s the way the cookie crumbles with the initial selection but now, when you’re doing the replacements from skaters who have withdrawn, I feel like my PowerPoint presentation best explains how it should work, and quite frankly, I thought always did, except for when you know who Federation was picking their replacements, and they weren’t doing things like other hosts would.
 
AngieNikodinovLove (ANL) said:
That’s the way the cookie crumbles with the initial selection but now, when you’re doing the replacements from skaters who have withdrawn, I feel like my PowerPoint presentation best explains how it should work, and quite frankly, I thought always did, except for when you know who Federation was picking their replacements, and they weren’t doing things like other hosts would.
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So, in summary, your argument is that because a Federation chose not to pick a skater for an event from the start, they should be capped at one event until every single other person down the list also gets a chance at a first event. Even if it's skater ranked 25 versus skater ranked 65.

And for all skaters already with one event, forget about them and just keep giving out first-event spots.
 
tony said:
So, in summary, your argument is that because a Federation chose not to pick a skater for an event from the start, they should be capped at one event until every single other person down the list also gets a chance at a first event. Even if it's skater ranked 25 versus skater ranked 65.

And for all skaters already with one event, forget about them and just keep giving out first-event spots.
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No, obviously say skater number 22 for some reason only had one assignment and then something opened up. Of course they should get a second assignment. They are high enough up that it calls for that but once you’re working down the line and say skaters 41 and skater 42 are separated by one world standing point I don’t think the skater 41 should get two assignments, That doesn’t make sense to me.
 
tony said:
So, in summary, your argument is that because a Federation chose not to pick a skater for an event from the start, they should be capped at one event until every single other person down the list also gets a chance at a first event. Even if it's skater ranked 25 versus skater ranked 65.
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Apparently. ANL would be fine with MarBed getting 1 assignment if 4 teams drop out of the GP and also okay with Piegad/Strekalin, who are ranked immediately behind them on the SB list, getting a 2nd assignment should a 5th spot open up. And ANL would also be fine with Williams/Lewer, who are 2 spots further spots lower on the alternates list, also getting a 2nd assignment should 7 spots open up instead of giving both of those spots to MarBed.

Of course, ANL also thinks that MarBed are in contention for that SkAm TBD host spot when we all know it's got McBeath/Parkman's name all over it, so, yeah...
 
Karen-W said:
Apparently. ANL would be fine with MarBed getting 1 assignment if 4 teams drop out of the GP and also okay with Piegad/Strekalin, who are ranked immediately behind them on the SB list, getting a 2nd assignment should a 5th spot open up. And ANL would also be fine with Williams/Lewer, who are 2 spots further spots lower on the alternates list, also getting a 2nd assignment should 7 spots open up instead of giving both of those spots to MarBed.

Of course, ANL also thinks that MarBed are in contention for that SkAm TBD host spot when we all know it's got McBeath/Parkman's name all over it, so, yeah...
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What I’m fine with here is Amber Glenn as world champion. I’m going to lunch.

😌🍟🍔💋
 
Karen-W said:
Bombardier/Mimar (uncertain if Skate Canada submitted them on the initial GP selection list - if not then they won't be on the Alternates list)
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I'm not sure this is the case for anything but the initial GP selections. The CS qualifications are a separate way to qualify.
 
kwanfan1818 said:
I'm not sure this is the case for anything but the initial GP selections. The CS qualifications are a separate way to qualify.
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Oh, I'm positive it is. They can get on the alternates list by competing in a CS, certainly. But they wouldn't be eligible for selection until they compete in a CS unless they were submitted for consideration on the initial GP selections list.

Remember how Calalang/Johnson weren't included on the initial GP selection list because of her provisional suspension? Once that was cleared, the USFS could assign them to the SkAm host TBD spot but they couldn't be included on the Alternates list because they were not eligible at the time of the initial selections and weren't included by the USFS.

Same logic applies to Bombardier/Mimar - if Skate Canada didn't include them in the initial selection list then the only way they can be added (a change since the 21-22 season when we had the CalJohn situation) is by competing in a CS.
 
Karen-W said:
Remember how Calalang/Johnson weren't included on the initial GP selection list because of her provisional suspension? Once that was cleared, the USFS could assign them to the SkAm host TBD spot but they couldn't be included on the Alternates list because they were not eligible at the time of the initial selections and weren't included by the USFS.
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They didn't win a Challenger Series competition in 2021-22, though, so they wouldn't have been eligible.
Skaters/Couples, who place first in any of the ISU Challenger Series events for 2021/22 and can prove to have skated the minimum Technical score as mentioned in paragraph 2.3, will be added to the alternate list, bottom ranked according to their scores.
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They were 4th at Finlandia, 6th at Golden Spin, and 2nd at Warsaw Cup. I think they'd have had to win Finlandia for the timing to make a difference, but maybe Warsaw Cup for the last GP, had they won?
 
kwanfan1818 said:
They didn't win a Challenger Series competition in 2021-22, though, so they wouldn't have been eligible.
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I realize this. But they would have been eligible had there not been the pending doping suspension by using the 2019-20 SB list which is what the ISU used for the initial GP assignments alternates lists for anyone who didn't compete at Worlds 2021 due to the lack of international competitions in 2020-21.
 
Karen-W said:
Apparently. ANL would be fine with MarBed getting 1 assignment if 4 teams drop out of the GP and also okay with Piegad/Strekalin, who are ranked immediately behind them on the SB list, getting a 2nd assignment should a 5th spot open up. And ANL would also be fine with Williams/Lewer, who are 2 spots further spots lower on the alternates list, also getting a 2nd assignment should 7 spots open up instead of giving both of those spots to MarBed.

Of course, ANL also thinks that MarBed are in contention for that SkAm TBD host spot when we all know it's got McBeath/Parkman's name all over it, so, yeah...
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To be fair, ANL's example showed a skater that had one assignment already being skipped to give the next skater their first assignment.

I don't think ANL is totally off that it's weird to prioritize second assignments for those not guaranteed them over first assignments for others very close on the list, but I also think it would be weird for someone ranked 50th to have to wait until literally everyone has a first assignment before they get the second. I can't figure out a good way to do that, although I guess you could say like top 5 on the list in order for first assignments and then restart with those 5 for second assignments then move on to the next group of 5. But that would be very complicated for the ISU to keep track of since they can't even count to 2 Chinese junior pairs. Also then the number is pretty arbitrary as well.

So basically I both agree that it's odd for the next skater up to get 2 before the person right behind them gets one, but also it's easily the most straightforward way to do it.
 
Theatregirl1122 said:
So basically I both agree that it's odd for the next skater up to get 2 before the person right behind them gets one, but also it's easily the most straightforward way to do it.
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I'm with you there. I'd say the only really fair way to do it would be to fill slots by SB list after all the guaranteed assignments and host spots are completed. Maybe a little later I'll do some playing around with this season's initial GP list and see how that would have played out for each of the disciplines.
 
Finland announced today via IG that their two Finlandia host spots for Women have been filled by Janna Jyrkinen and Olivia Lisko (ISU grid not yet updated) -

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Skating Finland on Instagram: "Suomen Taitoluisteluliitto on vahvistanut loput naisedustajat Grand Prix Finlandia Trophy Helsinkiin. Janna Jyrkinen ja Olivia Lisko varmistivat viikonloppuna luistellun Kesäkisan jälkeen paikkansa Suomen joukkueessa 🔥⛸

912 likes, 3 comments - skatingfinland on August 14, 2024: "Suomen Taitoluisteluliitto on vahvistanut loput naisedustajat Grand Prix Finlandia Trophy Helsinkiin. Janna Jyrkinen ja Olivia Lisko varmistivat viikonloppuna luistellun Kesäkisan jälkeen paikkansa Suomen joukkueessa 🔥⛸ Suomen edustus...
www.instagram.com www.instagram.com

Grids were updated today to fill in the CoC host spots -

Men - Daiwei "David" Dai
Women - Xiangyi "Nini" An & Yi "Beverly" Zhu
Pairs - Yixi Yang/Shunyang Deng & Siyang Zhang/Ziqi Jia
Ice Dance - Zixi Xiao/Linghao He & Jungei Ren/Jianing Xing


TBD slots still to be announced:

Men - SkAm & NHK
Women - SkAm, GPdF & NHK
Pairs - SkAm & SCI
Ice Dance - SkAm & GPdF
 
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Karen-W said:
Finland announced today via IG that their two Finlandia host spots for Women have been filled by Janna Jyrkinen and Olivia Lisko (ISU grid not yet updated) -

www.instagram.com

Skating Finland on Instagram: "Suomen Taitoluisteluliitto on vahvistanut loput naisedustajat Grand Prix Finlandia Trophy Helsinkiin. Janna Jyrkinen ja Olivia Lisko varmistivat viikonloppuna luistellun Kesäkisan jälkeen paikkansa Suomen joukkueessa 🔥⛸

912 likes, 3 comments - skatingfinland on August 14, 2024: "Suomen Taitoluisteluliitto on vahvistanut loput naisedustajat Grand Prix Finlandia Trophy Helsinkiin. Janna Jyrkinen ja Olivia Lisko varmistivat viikonloppuna luistellun Kesäkisan jälkeen paikkansa Suomen joukkueessa 🔥⛸ Suomen edustus...
www.instagram.com www.instagram.com

Grids were updated today to fill in the CoC host spots -

Men - Daiwei "David" Dai
Women - Xiangyi "Nini" An & Yi "Beverly" Zhu
Pairs - Yixi Yang/Shunyang Deng & Siyang Zhang/Ziqi Jia
Ice Dance - Zixi Xiao/Linghao He & Jungei Ren/Jianing Xing


TBD slots still to be announced:

Men - SkAm & NHK
Women - SkAm, GPdF & NHK
Pairs - SkAm & SCI
Ice Dance - SkAm & GPdF
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Please remind me - Wasn’t Yi “Beverly” Zhu the same solo female who represented China at the 2022 Winter Olympics? She’s still at it?

“Nini” I know.
 
Arlet Levandi EST is assigned to JGP Turkey so he can be removed from the GP Men's Alternates list. He is pretty far down so I doubt anyone was expecting him to get a GP but I think this is a good move for him to attempt to climb back up in the WS and get back on track.
 
Ohhhh.. ok…

There were some on this board that said Amber being the national champion, but not placing high enough at world championships wasnt offered skate America! wrong-o

From Amber herself…

To the surprise of some skating fans, Glenn decided against a return appearance at this year’s Skate America, which will again take place in Allen.
 
AngieNikodinovLove (ANL) said:
Ohhhh.. ok…

There were some on this board that said Amber being the national champion, but not placing high enough at world championships wasnt offered skate America! wrong-o

From Amber herself…

To the surprise of some skating fans, Glenn decided against a return appearance at this year’s Skate America, which will again take place in Allen.
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Reading between the lines of what was quoted in the other thread, it's likely that Isabeau was offered/placed at SA first, given her status as #2 seed and top U.S. woman at Worlds, and Amber, knowing that, opted not to go up against Isabeau. Given her placement at Worlds, i'm not sure Amber had much of a choice for her assignments outside of SA, but it worked out that she is the top (and only) U.S. woman at her events, which works in her favor.
 
Debbie S said:
Reading between the lines of what was quoted in the other thread, it's likely that Isabeau was offered/placed at SA first, given her status as #2 seed and top U.S. woman at Worlds, and Amber, knowing that, opted not to go up against Isabeau. Given her placement at Worlds, i'm not sure Amber had much of a choice for her assignments outside of SA, but it worked out that she is the top (and only) U.S. woman at her events, which works in her favor.
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I don’t know about that.

I saw it as more of that skating in her hometown was such a passionate, deeply emotional, intense experience She wanted to leave that as it was, as she mentioned, and move on to other countries in the circuit that offered her a different experience and path forward.

I think it’s possible she may have accepted skate America again had been in a different city.
 
AngieNikodinovLove (ANL) said:
I don’t know about that.

I saw it as more of that skating in her hometown was such a passionate, deeply emotional, intense experience She wanted to leave that as it was, as she mentioned, and move on to other countries in the circuit that offered her a different experience and path forward.

I think it’s possible she may have accepted skate America again had been in a different city.
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Honestly, I think Amber is really good at bullsh*t spin. There's no way that she wouldn't have wanted to go back to SkAm in Dallas again - no way did she not want to redeem her 5th place FS after being in a medal position following the SP.
 
USFS has previously put some of their top two/top three against each other at SKAM. So it's possible she was offered and declined. But, jeez... China? That's the assignment most US skaters would prefer not to get due to the travel schedule on top of the time change. If she went from France to Japan or Korea for two weeks to train between would be ideal, but who knows how feasible that would be?
 
YukiNieve said:
I heard at least there are other 2 skaters who were asked to skate for Cranberry by the USFS just a week before. Why did they do such a thing?
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Jr or Sr? There was some discussion in the US Men's thread that the USFS asked Daniel Martynov to consider going back to the JGP this season and put together junior programs to compete at Cranberry (he wound up not competing there) after the Junior Cup in July.
 
Karen-W said:
Third in a row didn't stop Isabeau, Ilia or Chock/Bates from taking it when offered.

Sorry but you don't turn down SkAm as the National Champion if it's offered.
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Yeah you do when the whole world is begging to see their skate in person lol

And also ….. you done already done had yours
 
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