2024-25 ISU Grand Prix Assignments & projected alternates

skateblessing said:
With the new changes of rules however, winning a Challenger will most likely make it impossible to get a GP spot now. If they had stayed with the old rule, chances was there for some events as long as they were able to be on top 10 on the alternate list. If i´m not mistaken, that is have Ziegler got one of the spots last season? I think it perhaps was something with Visa as well.

Now, for the event with the shortest alternate list (because of maxed out spots etc.) there are just 10 alternates on NHK Trophy in the womens field, which most likely be shorter once/if the Korean girls officially WD. However it really doesn´t help much when you will be on the bottom of the list and spots are given by the order. With the old rules you could potentially be selected because you would be top 10, so at least there was a chance, but now the one who wins the Challenger will have around 8-9 before then om the list, who will be offered the spot first. Most of the alternates doesn´t have a spot and would probably be offered a second spot according to the order.

Maybe only for pairs it will help winning a early Challenger because of a shorter alternates list?

However, I would like to say that this new change is fair. But I think it´s maybe pointless to be put on the list now if you win a Challenger when there is no real chance of a spot.
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No, there was never much of a chance of getting a GP from the alternates list by winning a Challenger unless you were already on the alternates list from the previous SB. Ziegler was on the 22-23 SB list and right behind Kurakova on the top 10 alternates list. Feds were just skipping over her (and Kurakova) when there were vacancies. Challenger winners were always placed at the bottom of the Alternates list - hence why DavSmo didn't get any GP invitations last season when there were vacancies (SmaDie got the first vacancy by virtue of being a Return Split Couple with a score that put them at the top of the Alternates List, McNamara/Spiridonov got the other vacancy created by HawBak's WDs by virtue of being the only team on the SB Top 24 list without a 2nd assignment when the initial assignments came out).

Last year the alternates list looked like this after the Initial Assignments -
Kurakova (SkAm)
Ziegler
Gutmann (SCI)
Serna (GPdF)
Matsuike (JPN was maxed out at every GP so she was only going to get a spot if another JPN woman WD)
Meite
Harrell
van Zundert (NHK)
Hilmer
Mikutina
Seo (later assigned SkAm TBD host spot)
Ruiter (SCI)
Daleman
Dupuis (SCI)
Miclette
Paganini
Sauter
Kiibus
Lang
Isaev
Seniuk

Going with the new Alternate selection process, this is how the WD replacements should have happened -
1) Schott WD from SCI and NHK - Kurakova to SCI (USA had 3 women already assigned there) & Ziegler to NHK
2) Kihira WD from SCI - Serna
3) Tennell WD from CoC & NHK - Ziegler to CoC & Gutmann to NHK
4) Mihara WD from CoC - no replacement as it was within the 7-day window
5) Repond WD from GP Espoo - Meite

What actually happened was -
1) Schott WD from SCI and NHK - Meite to SCI & Ziegler to NHK
2) Kihira WD from SCI - Matsuike
3) Tennell WD from CoC & NHK - Kurakova to CoC and Serna to NHK
4) Mihara WD from CoC - no replacement as it was within the 7-day window
5) Repond WD from GP Espoo - Gutmann

Wyliefan said:
Looks like Ava Ziegler withdrew from both of her GPs!?
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2024-25 International Assignments and Results

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kwanfan1818 said:
It hasn't been reflected yet in the ISU's docs, but it should be coming, if it's on USFS's site. (Hagara's WD from NHK has, as of today's update.)
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Oh no!!!!!! Such a shame for Ava! That must be a very serious issue if she's already WD from both 2.5-3.5 months out.

We're still also waiting to see what happens with the Korean women who are potentially being suspended by the KSF, but going off the current Alternates list and the new rules:

Aoki (SkAm - JPN is maxed out at all GPs so she will only get a 2nd spot as the NHK host spot or if another JPN woman WDs)
M Kim
Pelkonen (Finlandia)
Lin-Gracey
Mikutina
Seniuk
Andrews
Ruiter (SCI)
Dupuis (SCI)
Seo
Ting
Choi
Miclette
Kawabe
Paganini
Everhardt
H Chen (CoC)
Sauter

1) Ziegler WD from SCI & CoC - Pelkonen to SCI & Minchae Kim to CoC (Pelkonen's other GP is Finlandia the week before CoC and it's a lot cheaper for China to fly a 2nd Korean woman to their competition than a Finnish woman)
2) Presuming that Lee WDs from SkAm & NHK - Minchae Kim to SkAm & Lin-Gracey to NHK
3) Presuming that You WDs from SkAm & Finlandia - Mikutina to SkAm & Lin-Gracey to Finlandia (presuming that the USFS is strategic about their host spot and assigns it to one of the three women further down the Alternates list)
 
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Crazy speculation -- could Ava have decided to pull a Wolf/Tsar and go back to juniors for a season? Note that I've heard NOTHING to this effect -- this is just me grasping at straws. I'm not a fan of all this going back to juniors, but I'd rather that than have her be injured.
 
Karen-W said:
No, there was never much of a chance of getting a GP from the alternates list by winning a Challenger unless you were already on the alternates list from the previous SB. Ziegler was on the 22-23 SB list and right behind Kurakova on the top 10 alternates list. Feds were just skipping over her (and Kurakova) when there were vacancies. Challenger winners were always placed at the bottom of the Alternates list - hence why DavSmo didn't get any GP invitations last season when there were vacancies (SmaDie got the first vacancy by virtue of being a Return Split Couple with a score that put them at the top of the Alternates List, McNamara/Spiridonov got the other vacancy created by HawBak's WDs by virtue of being the only team on the SB Top 24 list without a 2nd assignment when the initial assignments came out)

Last year the alternates list looked like this after the Initial Assignments -
Kurakova (SkAm)
Ziegler
Gutmann (SCI)
Serna (GPdF)
Matsuike (JPN was maxed out at every GP so she was only going to get a spot if another JPN woman WD)
Meite
Harrell
van Zundert (NHK)
Hilmer
Mikutina
Seo (later assigned SkAm TBD host spot)
Ruiter (SCI)
Daleman
Dupuis (SCI)
Miclette
Paganini
Sauter
Kiibus
Lang
Isaev
Seniuk

Going with the new Alternate selection process, this is how the WD replacements should have happened -
1) Schott WD from SCI and NHK - Kurakova to SCI (USA had 3 women already assigned there) & Ziegler to NHK
2) Kihira WD from SCI - Serna
3) Tennell WD from CoC & NHK - Ziegler to CoC & Gutmann to NHK
4) Mihara WD from CoC - no replacement as it was within the 7-day window
5) Repond WD from GP Espoo - Meite

What actually happened was -
1) Schott WD from SCI and NHK - Meite to SCI & Ziegler to NHK
2) Kihira WD from SCI - Matsuike
3) Tennell WD from CoC & NHK - Kurakova to CoC and Serna to NHK
4) Mihara WD from CoC - no replacement as it was within the 7-day window
5) Repond WD from GP Espoo - Gutmann



Oh no!!!!!! Such a shame for Ava! That must be a very serious issue if she's already WD from both 2.5-3.5 months out.

We're still also waiting to see what happens with the Korean women who are potentially being suspended by the KSF, but going off the current Alternates list and the new rules:

Aoki (SkAm - JPN is maxed out at all GPs so she will only get a 2nd spot as the NHK host spot or if another JPN woman WDs)
M Kim
Pelkonen (Finlandia)
Lin-Gracey
Mikutina
Seniuk
Andrews
Ruiter (SCI)
Dupuis (SCI)
Seo
Ting
Choi
Miclette
Kawabe
Paganini
Everhardt
H Chen (CoC)
Sauter

1) Ziegler WD from SCI & CoC - Pelkonen to SCI & Minchae Kim to CoC (Pelkonen's other GP is Finlandia the week before CoC and it's a lot cheaper for China to fly a 2nd Korean woman to their competition than a Finnish woman)
2) Presuming that Lee WDs from SkAm & NHK - Minchae Kim to SkAm & Lin-Gracey to NHK
3) Presuming that You WDs from SkAm & Finlandia - Mikutina to SkAm & Lin-Gracey to Finlandia (presuming that the USFS is strategic about their host spot and assigns it to one of the three women further down the Alternates list)
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Hmmm I thought after the GP spots was handed out WR list didn´t really matter? And that the alternate list only was from SB top 75 :unsure:
 
Wyliefan said:
Crazy speculation -- could Ava have decided to pull a Wolf/Tsar and go back to juniors for a season? Note that I've heard NOTHING to this effect -- this is just me grasping at straws. I'm not a fan of all this going back to juniors, but I'd rather that than have her be injured.
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She won a Grand Prix event last year and was just off the 4CC podium. That would make no sense IMO.
 
skateblessing said:
Hmmm I thought after the GP spots was handed out WR list didn´t really matter? And that the alternate list only was from SB top 75 :unsure:
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The alternate list is drawn from the previous season's Top 75. WR is different from WS - previous season's Top 24 WS and Top 24 SB are each guaranteed 1 GP and those are sorted out when the initial assignments come out. Most skaters who are on the Top 24 WS are also on the Top 24 SB and get two spots when the initial assignments are completed. It seems pretty clear that skaters/teams who are on the Top 24 SB list only will get priority for a 2nd assignment ahead of skaters/teams who are only on the Top 24 WS list when the initial assignments are completed. If you're on the WS Top 24 and only get 1, you're going to be listed on the Alternates list according to where you rank on the SB Top 75 list (or not at all in the case of Gutmann & Stepcenko). Comeback and Returning Skaters or Returning Split Couples are placed on the Alternates list based upon their SB score from their last season. This year, that places Grassl at the TOP of the Men's Alternates list and it places Bombardier/Mimar as the 2nd team on the Pairs Alternates List behind Danilova/Tsiba.

There were some curiosities about this year's initial assignments lists - like Harris/Chan being skipped over for an initial assignment despite being Top 24 WS while all three of the JWC dance medalists were assigned 1 GP. By all rights, Harris/Chan (WS 24) should have received an initial assignment ahead of Neset/Markelov, Tkachenko/Kiliakov and Grimm/Savitskiy. Same situation in Pairs where Williams/Lewer have an assignment while Caldara/Maglio (WS 22) should have been assigned to a GP first.

We've talked about it already but Harris/Chan was REALLY notable since they are ranked 30 on the SB list and are 1st on the Alternates List. Luckily for them, Grimm/Savitskiy had no intention of moving up to the GP this season and WD immediately, so Harris/Chan were given their spot at SCI.

There haven't been any Pairs WDs yet and the season is barely underway so it's possible that Caldara/Maglio are not competing and weren't included by Italy for the GP selection list which is the only logical explanation for why they didn't receive an initial assignment. Pairs is also a lot harder to come by two assignments unless you're from a host fed, guaranteed two by virtue of a Top 10 finish at Worlds, or you medal at Euros two seasons in a row (Ghilardi/Ambrosini).

I'll be really curious to see what happens with that Pairs TBD spot at NHK - per their own rules, Caldara/Maglio should have gotten an initial assignment and, if the host feds treat this the way the Grimm/Savitskiy WD was treated the very first week the initial assignments came out, then they'd get it. But I could see the host fed giving it to Danilova/Tsiba since they're 1st on the Alternates List and the only team that was on both the WS and SB Top 24 lists that only got 1 initial assignment.

Wyliefan said:
Crazy speculation -- could Ava have decided to pull a Wolf/Tsar and go back to juniors for a season? Note that I've heard NOTHING to this effect -- this is just me grasping at straws. I'm not a fan of all this going back to juniors, but I'd rather that than have her be injured.
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tony said:
She won a Grand Prix event last year and was just off the 4CC podium. That would make no sense IMO.
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Obviously not the case per the GoldenSkate tweet but the USA team that would make more sense to send back to the JGP and have them WD from their GP would be Williams/Lewer. Their Glacier Falls score was not encouraging for their senior domestic debut.
 
Karen-W said:
We've talked about it already but Harris/Chan was REALLY notable since they are ranked 30 on the SB list and are 1st on the Alternates List. Luckily for them, Grimm/Savitskiy had no intention of moving up to the GP this season and WD immediately, so Harris/Chan were given their spot at SCI.
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I wonder if Australia forgot to submit them for consideration somehow?
 
Karen-W said:
Comeback and Returning Skaters or Returning Split Couples are placed on the Alternates list based upon their SB score from their last season. This year, that places Grassl at the TOP of the Men's Alternates list and it places Bombardier/Mimar as the 2nd team on the Pairs Alternates List behind Danilova/Tsiba.
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Does this not mean Efimova/Mitrofanov are top of the Pairs list from the split couple rule for her score in 22/23 with Blommaert? Because that’s what I’ve been assuming.
 
LoisAGOEs said:
Does this not mean Efimova/Mitrofanov are top of the Pairs list from the split couple rule for her score in 22/23 with Blommaert? Because that’s what I’ve been assuming.
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Hmmmmmm... I assumed that the 22-23 score wouldn't transfer over due to her country switch but you may be correct. We may not know until we see the first WD and replacement.
 
I'm wondering why she didn't have this procedure done months ago after the season ended? She could have maybe been ready for the start of the season instead of having surgery right before the season starts.
 
Jammers said:
I'm wondering why she didn't have this procedure done months ago after the season ended? She could have maybe been ready for the start of the season instead of having surgery right before the season starts.
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It could be that the thought was the issue could be managed through PT and other non-invasive methods but that something happened to make surgery the best solution now.

Sort of like how Anthony Ponomarenko trying to deal with his longterm ankle injury or Spencer Howe and his shoulder injury - both pursued non-surgical treatments until surgery was the better choice.
 
Karen-W said:
Additionally, Grassl has been added to NHK.


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Do we believe he will attend any Grand Prix? Especially since there’s been no publications of what is going on, what is happening, or what his suspension is for how long…..
 
YukiNieve said:
Just from Skate America. So their suspensions turned out to be shorter?
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We do not know yet. There could be any number of reasons why Korea hasn't withdrawn them from their other GPs yet. The infraction/incident happened while they were in Italy from May 15-28.

The last information I saw about their status was that Lee's re-trial will happen this month. Maybe it's already happened, maybe not. If so, it's possible their punishment was reduced but all three of their GPs (SkAm for Lee & You, NHK for Lee and CoC for You) are within 6 months of the training camp and it doesn't make much sense that the punishment sentence would turn into something random like 5 months. My expectation is that we're going to see both of them withdrawn from their 2nd GPs sooner rather than later.
 
Yeah, it does seem odd that they are crossed off one event but not the others. I wonder if it's just a clerical delay with the other feds, they just haven't officially notified the ISU (I believe the w/d's go to the host fed, not the ISU?).
 
Karen-W said:
It could be that the thought was the issue could be managed through PT and other non-invasive methods but that something happened to make surgery the best solution now.

Sort of like how Anthony Ponomarenko trying to deal with his longterm ankle injury or Spencer Howe and his shoulder injury - both pursued non-surgical treatments until surgery was the better choice.
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Anyone know what Ava's injury is?
 
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