2022 Grand Prix Assignments - when do they come out?

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China's market potential is why I'd assume they keep going back to it.

I wouldn't mind it being replaced with Korea - but keep in mind, it's not the CSA that's been consumed with scandals and controversy. They do what their government tells them. In other years, they've been able to organize effectively.
 
I want Italy to bid for a Grand Prix again.

If nothing else, to see the looks of horror on the skaters' faces when they realise that Citizen Watches isn't the official event sponsor, and they're stuck figuring out what to do with those gigantic triangles of Grana Padano.

The regretful stare from Gabriella Papadakis in particular, was priceless. #CheeseFest

 
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I would expect that there wouldn't be any issues with Finland having Russia's GP, if they want it.

Meanwhile, I sort of wonder if China's position on the GP altogether might be reconsidered? This is the third time in five years that they have cancelled for non-skating reasons, and though 2021 was understandable with other countries also struggling with the plague, all three were fairly last-minute cancellations. I'm sure other countries - and the ISU - are not thrilled at the number of times they have had to go looking for emergency replacements for China.
Tallin and/or Montreal
 
Canada is getting Worlds 2024 to make up for 2020.

And, obviously, if Estonia wanted for bid for a GP, they would have. And they probably would have gotten it as a thank you for saving the ISU last season.
Yes. Knew that.

But wondered if your suggestion was about never having too much of a good thing. Like France last year having back to back JGP events in Courchevel when Canada (!) had to pull out.

It's all becoming rather like a game of musical chairs.
 
I think the hope is that it will not be a game of musical chairs this season. That they can have a solid plan going in and maybe eliminate, or at least cut back, on the last minute scrambling & cancellations.

(To be determined, as covid does not play by the rules).
 
Estonia also bid on the CoR GP spot, right? I find it a little unfair that they didn't get it given that their federation moved mountains last season to ensure the international competitive circuit could be completed successfully.

In any event, that tells me Estonia won't mind getting the sixth GP spot if no one else wants it.

Moreover, since Italy was able to step in last year and hold a pretty successful GP event, I think the ISU could maybe convince them to do it again, if they had no other options.

So I doubt it's a question of whether there will be six GPs as much as an effort to find a host in Asia/Oceania.
 
Estonia also bid on the CoR GP spot, right? I find it a little unfair that they didn't get it given that their federation moved mountains last season to ensure the international competitive circuit could be completed successfully.
Not as far as anyone has heard. The only confirmed bid is from Finland. I think there was a quiet rumor a couple months ago that Estonia didn't plan on bidding because they were exhausted from 3 ISU Championships this season.
 
Not as far as anyone has heard. The only confirmed bid is from Finland. I think there was a quiet rumor a couple months ago that Estonia didn't plan on bidding because they were exhausted from 3 ISU Championships this season.
That would also make sense. I saw chatter about it on Twitter and went with it, but I guess we don't know.
 
I'm really surprised that Finland is the only European country bidding for a GP.

I don't think the US, Canada, Japan or France is in a position to host a 2nd GP - the first 3 are hosting ISU Championships this season also, and France has already stepped up to host a 2nd JGP.
 
I'm really surprised that Finland is the only European country bidding for a GP.

I don't think the US, Canada, Japan or France is in a position to host a 2nd GP - the first 3 are hosting ISU Championships this season also, and France has already stepped up to host a 2nd JGP.
Back in the day, I believe Aaron Spelling built his daughter, Tori, a private Olympic sized rink in his mansion.
Too bad Tori fell out with her mom after he died. Otherwise, she could put in a bid and hosted.
 
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How do you solve a problem like Korea? :unsure:
Apparently, Samsung daddy-in-law isn't willing to cough up the dough to help the ISU out, lol.

Personally, I think they should bribe either the Austrian or Czech feds into converting their competitions scheduled for that weekend into the 6th GP - Austria's is already a Challenger event (though they'd need a better broadcasting partner - last season was the fun one with the sticky notes to tell viewers the scores, lol).

I'm guessing they'll get a host for the 6th one - the larger feds aren't going to want to see their skaters lose out on a GP event because the ISU can't find a host - and putting the word out through the Russian press is going to spur a reluctant fed into action.
 
Well, it's been a rough few years for any skating federation financially. A lot of cancelled events, some of them following a lot of work for the planning & organizing people. Most countries don't have enough top athletes to benefit from the host-country slots. Italy is a good fit, but already has the Grand Prix Final. As referenced earlier in this thread, Korea lost its major sponsor after the Olympics and has had the opportunity to host events since then, but hasn't taken them on so it's no surprise if they can't now. Tallinn is tired. It was amazing last season and really stepped up for a small federation. It's a shame that Bulgaria & Australia, who have lost large events, can't pull off a smaller & more manageable GP. You'd think Germany could step up and host one. (Though they've been great about Nebelhorn). Or that one of the typically late CS events, like Warsaw Cup, might be able to fit the bill. GPs are really great events for small or medium-sized arenas. Anyway, we've been very fortunate to have so many countries step up in difficult situations over the past couple years. It won't be a shock if there is no 6th GP, but it would be a shame.
 
Given how large the Japanese market is, I’m a bit surprised they (apparently) aren’t interested in a second one. I’d have thought that would be easy money.
Like the US, Japan will be in the middle of their Nationals qualifying competitions during this particular weekend. They do have to consider the number of officials and volunteers who will be already at those competitions and, therefore, unavailable to assist with hosting a 2nd GP.

It's a shame that Bulgaria & Australia, who have lost large events, can't pull off a smaller & more manageable GP. You'd think Germany could step up and host one. (Though they've been great about Nebelhorn). Or that one of the typically late CS events, like Warsaw Cup, might be able to fit the bill. GPs are really great events for small or medium-sized arenas. Anyway, we've been very fortunate to have so many countries step up in difficult situations over the past couple years. It won't be a shock if there is no 6th GP, but it would be a shame.
I think that the senior Bs and even most of the Challengers in Europe also have lower level competitions associated with them and there is probably at least some loss of income to be considered if they are unable to have those competitions by shifting to host a GP instead.

But, yes, I was hoping that either Bulgaria or Australia might be able to step up and host a smaller GP in lieu of losing their ISU championships the past couple years.

The German fed has, by all reports, NO money. Maybe someone should lean on the Dutch fed. They seem to have good support from sponsors and they always do a lovely job hosting Challenge Cup in February.
 
It is disappointing our new ISU president couldn't leverage his connections and have Korea host a Grand Prix event. I suspect the outcome would have been different if the need was for a speed skating event.

Personally, I think they should bribe either the Austrian or Czech feds into converting their competitions scheduled for that weekend into the 6th GP - Austria's is already a Challenger event

Converting a senior B event to Grand Prix might be the best bet at this point, but that seems to be a longshot considering how provincial many of these events are.

To be honest, it will not be the end of the world if the series ends up as five events--the fields are already rather depleted, particularly in pairs. Remember, we only had five events in the inaugural 1995-96 Champions Series, and that was just fine.
 
The only discipline that is depleted enough to justify a 5 round competition is pairs - every other discipline has enough athletes who deserve a chance. Giving Russia any reason to believe that the sport can't survive without them at this point would be a mistake. It's an opportunity to give small feds more chances and to clean up the sport and the reputation that was so tarnished after Beijing.
 
The only discipline that is depleted enough to justify a 5 round competition is pairs - every other discipline has enough athletes who deserve a chance. Giving Russia any reason to believe that the sport can't survive without them at this point would be a mistake. It's an opportunity to give small feds more chances and to clean up the sport and the reputation that was so tarnished after Beijing.
What does Russia have to do with this? Now ISU is looking for a replacement for the Chinese GP.
And I doubt that ISU ignores small federations. This is not a Formula 1 GP to fight for.
 
It is disappointing our new ISU president couldn't leverage his connections and have Korea host a Grand Prix event. I suspect the outcome would have been different if the need was for a speed skating event.
Doubtful. As others have noted, the Korean fed lost their major sponsor after Pyeongchang 2018, and there have been several short-track speed skating scandals within the federation in recent years. It's been a struggle for them and it doesn't look like things are getting any better just because the new ISU president is Korean.
Converting a senior B event to Grand Prix might be the best bet at this point, but that seems to be a longshot considering how provincial many of these events are.
Yes, they're so provincial that we generally get live streaming with multiple camera angles, replays and some, like Budapest Trophy, even have graphics on screen and we see a lovely Kiss & Cry too. Others, not so much. I'm really surprised that the Hungarian fed hasn't put in a bid to host this GP.

To be honest, it will not be the end of the world if the series ends up as five events--the fields are already rather depleted, particularly in pairs. Remember, we only had five events in the inaugural 1995-96 Champions Series, and that was just fine.
See below... There are plenty of really good singles skaters and dancers who would lose out on a GP, plus it would mess with the seeding for the singles events to drop to five. The inaugural Champions Series isn't a good comparison since it was, you know, the first one and the very next season Russia's event was added.
The only discipline that is depleted enough to justify a 5 round competition is pairs - every other discipline has enough athletes who deserve a chance. Giving Russia any reason to believe that the sport can't survive without them at this point would be a mistake. It's an opportunity to give small feds more chances and to clean up the sport and the reputation that was so tarnished after Beijing.
What does Russia have to do with this? Now ISU is looking for a replacement for the Chinese GP.
Let's take the countries out of the equation and look at this from a slightly different angle in the sense that while, traditionally, the 6 GP hosts have been 6 specific countries the ISU is looking to replace TWO GP events, not one. Last season, when they were looking to replace just ONE, they had no trouble finding a host, and the same was true in 2018. This season, looking for TWO hosts, the going seems to be more difficult. It just so happened that the ISU announced both Russia and China as GP hosts and did not remove them as hosts at the same time.

We can debate the wisdom of the ISU assigning China a GP at all this coming season after they bowed out twice in the last 3 fully competed seasons (2018 & 2021), and maybe this discussion would be different if the ISU had, from the very start excluded China and found a different host for that GP. But, they didn't, so when the first event (which had been assigned to Russia) was removed, another federation immediately raised their hand and we heard about it. And, when, a few weeks later, they and the Chinese fed reluctantly realized that China wasn't in a position, with its zero-Covid policy, to host a GP this fall, it became a lot harder to find a second host. I suspect had the ISU, initially, said "we're not going to China next season," that Finland would have stepped up to offer to host that GP, and we'd now be discussing the fact that the ISU is having trouble finding another host for the previously assigned Russia GP.

If that had been the sequence of how this transpired, it would be a clearer case of "oh, look, how will the ISU survive without Russia?" but, really, the challenge is replacing not one but two GP events and, no matter how you slice it, the Russian propaganda machine will spin it exactly the way @litenkyckling suggests.
And I doubt that ISU ignores small federations. This is not a Formula 1 GP to fight for.
Agreed. I think that as long as they have a decent bid, even from a small fed, they'd take it, especially if it's a fed that routinely organizes competitions. Hence, Estonia hosting three ISU Championships last season.
 
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The German fed has, by all reports, NO money. Maybe someone should lean on the Dutch fed. They seem to have good support from sponsors and they always do a lovely job hosting Challenge Cup in February.
Plus the KNSB has appointed Aljona Savchenko as national figure skating coach for two years.
A great chance to showcase their skaters, for sure!
 
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