2018 Skate Canada High Performance Camp

High Performance Camp is typically for athletes on the national team, which is the top 5 at nationals. Brasseur/Bardei did not compete last season and thus did not meet that criteria.

Exceptions have been made in the past with adding people to the national team for returning skaters, or skaters who missed nationals due to injury (think Chan in 2015/2016 and Weaver/Poje in 2013/2014), but not that I can ever remember for a brand new team. Fournier-Beaudry/Sorenson were there, so one would assume they have been added to the national team as exceptions. They didn't compete for Canada last year obviously, but their previous work obviously merited them being added. As good as Brasseur/Bardei are and as much potential as they have, I don't see that meriting a spot on the national team with a single competition under their belt.

There are only 2 pair teams left on the national team once retirees are removed. The team will be officially named in September they say. Are you saying only 2 teams will compete internationally this yr. That is probably one of the stupider things Skate Canada has done. Does it not make sense to invite a few other top teams to HP camp to see them together to factor that in their decision of who is on the team. Or is this so their favourites will be national champions this yr without any danger of competition? Thinking that is a little more important than building bikes and media day.
 
There are only 2 pair teams left on the national team once retirees are removed. The team will be officially named in September they say. Are you saying only 2 teams will compete internationally this yr. That is probably one of the stupider things Skate Canada has done. Does it not make sense to invite a few other top teams to HP camp to see them together to factor that in their decision of who is on the team. Or is this so their favourites will be national champions this yr without any danger of competition? Thinking that is a little more important than building bikes and media day.

I'm not saying anything regarding how many pairs team may compete internationally this year? My statements were with respect to who is on the national team and who usually goes to HPC. Nothing more than that. Just FYI, the criteria for consideration for international events is listed in the document below.

https://skatecanada.ca/wp-content/u...9-Senior-International-Selection-Process-.pdf
 
There were only two teams at HPC who aren't on the GP this season: W/P and FB/S. W/P are obvious based on Nationals last year and the fact that they are only missing the GP, but are doing a CS and competing later. FB/S are a bit different, but they would clearly have been on the GP if not for the change of country rules, and have a track record that clearly puts them above a team like Sales/Wamsteeker who were there.

There are only 2 pair teams left on the national team once retirees are removed. The team will be officially named in September they say. Are you saying only 2 teams will compete internationally this yr. That is probably one of the stupider things Skate Canada has done. Does it not make sense to invite a few other top teams to HP camp to see them together to factor that in their decision of who is on the team. Or is this so their favourites will be national champions this yr without any danger of competition? Thinking that is a little more important than building bikes and media day.

Um, for one, three pairs teams (MT/M, Walsh/Michaud, Ruest/Wolfe) were at Champs Camp, so obviously no. All three are assigned to CS events already.

HPC is for the National team/slash people doing the GP. Brasseur/Bardei are neither. And that's fine. They've competed all of once to this point.

And seriously, what are you on about 'protecting their favourites?'. One, I've never seen any evidence that MT/M were Skate Canada favourites. Two, as much potential as B/B have, I'd be shocked to see them win this year. They need more time to develop and get their elements in order. Skate Canada doesn't need to protect MT/M from them. And I highly doubt that attendance at HPC will make the difference at Nationals anyways.

And in terms of competing internationally, do we even know that Mark has been released by the Ukrainian Fed? I saw someone suggesting he hadn't.
 
There were only two teams at HPC who aren't on the GP this season: W/P and FB/S. W/P are obvious based on Nationals last year and the fact that they are only missing the GP, but are doing a CS and competing later. FB/S are a bit different, but they would clearly have been on the GP if not for the change of country rules, and have a track record that clearly puts them above a team like Sales/Wamsteeker who were there.



Um, for one, three pairs teams (MT/M, Walsh/Michaud, Ruest/Wolfe) were at Champs Camp, so obviously no. All three are assigned to CS events already.

HPC is for the National team/slash people doing the GP. Brasseur/Bardei are neither. And that's fine. They've competed all of once to this point.

And seriously, what are you on about 'protecting their favourites?'. One, I've never seen any evidence that MT/M were Skate Canada favourites. Two, as much potential as B/B have, I'd be shocked to see them win this year. They need more time to develop and get their elements in order. Skate Canada doesn't need to protect MT/M from them. And I highly doubt that attendance at HPC will make the difference at Nationals anyways.

And in terms of competing internationally, do we even know that Mark has been released by the Ukrainian Fed? I saw someone suggesting he hadn't.

He has been around for almost 2 yrs....Does that mean the Ukraine are refusing to release him at all? Right now 2 pair teams are showing on Skate Canada site.
 
Only two pairs teams are showing because for now, SC has simply purged the officially retired skaters from 2017-18's team. As top 5 finishers in 2018, Walsh/Michaud would meet the criteria in any year. However, the website says SC won't announce the National Team until this month, so I imagine the high turnover has meant taking more factors than just top 5 placement into consideration.
 
Brasseur/Bardei are competing at the Souvenir Georges-Ethier competition Sept. 20. I am sure Skate Canada will be watching closely to see how they do. If they do well and are showing progress I am sure they will be sent to an international comp. to get their minimums.
 
Brasseur/Bardei are competing at the Souvenir Georges-Ethier competition Sept. 20. I am sure Skate Canada will be watching closely to see how they do. If they do well and are showing progress I am sure they will be sent to an international comp. to get their minimums.
But why wait? Given the lack of senior pairs in Canada right now and the promise they showed, one would assume that Skate Canada would be eager to send them out internationally. They beat Matte/Ferland at Championnats, and M/F have been assigned to ACI. There are only two Canadians pairs at ACI, they could have been assigned there as well.

Is one of them injured? Or maybe they split up and Justine is trying out with Charlie (ok, that's just wishful thinking on my part.)
 
But why wait? Given the lack of senior pairs in Canada right now and the promise they showed, one would assume that Skate Canada would be eager to send them out internationally. They beat Matte/Ferland at Championnats, and M/F have been assigned to ACI. There are only two Canadians pairs at ACI, they could have been assigned there as well.

Is one of them injured? Or maybe they split up and Justine is trying out with Charlie (ok, that's just wishful thinking on my part.)
Pls don't say that. That would be awful. (I mean the injury part) As far as Charlie goes I am hesitant to want any pair girl I really like to jump into anything with him. I would have to see first what he is made of. It might be that his need to dispose of his partner and go shopping had to do with all the attention he rec'd with their great Olympic perf. and the publicity and maybe opportunities to do with his being a dead ringer for Justin Trudeau.I am sort of neutral on the subject so his future behavior will determine if I am in his court or not. He had injury probs. as well and has had his share of falls on SBS jumps.

By the way does anyone have news of Marvaldi and partner? Is one of them injured? They have withdrawn from everything for 2 seasons?
 
I am sort of neutral on the subject so his future behavior will determine if I am in his court or not. He had injury probs. as well and has had his share of falls on SBS jumps.
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Gosh, it is his own life. We’re here like saints, judging skaters decision as if we are better placed than them and their coaches to know what’s good for them. You will never know how he felt training with Julianne, everything he will publically will be slightly sugarcoatef because rarely people go on TV speaking their true mind, at least not his/our cultural background.
You don’t have to be in his court or not. If you are a truly Ca adian fan, you will wish him a great pairing and great results for Canada.
 
But why wait? Given the lack of senior pairs in Canada right now and the promise they showed, one would assume that Skate Canada would be eager to send them out internationally. They beat Matte/Ferland at Championnats, and M/F have been assigned to ACI. There are only two Canadians pairs at ACI, they could have been assigned there as well.

Yeah the decision not to assign Brasseur and Bardei to Autumn Classic confounds me.
 
Gosh, it is his own life. We’re here like saints, judging skaters decision as if we are better placed than them and their coaches to know what’s good for them. You will never know how he felt training with Julianne, everything he will publically will be slightly sugarcoatef because rarely people go on TV speaking their true mind, at least not his/our cultural background.
You don’t have to be in his court or not. If you are a truly Ca adian fan, you will wish him a great pairing and great results for Canada.

Bear in mind that I am a bigger fan of integrity and good character than I am of athletic achievement. Therefore I am more concerned that the people who represent my country are good sports and good role models. If it turns out that his character is not so good I would be concerned for whatever pair girl he ends up with or cultivates (meaning a singles girl turning into a pair girl.)If he turns out to be a great guy then I will hope he finds a great match and I will be proud to have him introduced at an international event as a Canadian.
 
Yeah the decision not to assign Brasseur and Bardei to Autumn Classic confounds me.

He must not be released by Ukraine to compete. I can't see any other reason they weren't assigned.

And I wonder why Cotop wasn't there.
 
Bear in mind that I am a bigger fan of integrity and good character than I am of athletic achievement. Therefore I am more concerned that the people who represent my country are good sports and good role models. If it turns out that his character is not so good I would be concerned for whatever pair girl he ends up with or cultivates (meaning a singles girl turning into a pair girl.)If he turns out to be a great guy then I will hope he finds a great match and I will be proud to have him introduced at an international event as a Canadian.
What makes you think that Charlie lacks integrity and does not have a good character? I think it's irrelevant. We don't know these athletes personally.

There was an interview early this summer (before the split) with a local journalist where he said that he did not just want to be known as Charlie the skater and that he was also interested in other things, namely communications. I don't know if he is actively looking for a partner right now, but maybe he just wants to try other things before going back to the grind of training. And good partners at his level are not easy to come by, so it might take some time.
 
I think the ladeez do their make-up so to stand out as far back as the folks in the bleachers.

IMO most female skaters wear far too much make-up, though I don't understand that TV lights and cameras demand a certain amount of it. Granted, I was never one to wear make-up - I tried when I was young but was allergic to all that I put on, so never did get into the habit.



He's done well to tame that hair.

Larkin’s is the worst, making her look like she has very thin white rice paper stretched over facial bones, with very dark eye makeup and red lips?! It’s either Dracula or Zombie.
 
Larkin’s is the worst, making her look like she has very thin white rice paper stretched over facial bones, with very dark eye makeup and red lips?! It’s either Dracula or Zombie.
I agree that it looks horrible backstage, but IMO she looked absolutely beautiful with it on the ice last season. I mean, this shot from her SP last season is stunning, and her makeup looks fantastic in it, on the ice.

I've seen Gabby Daleman walking through a mall here before, and she wears basically the same makeup off the ice as she does on the ice. It looks great when competing, but when walking through the mall, definitely stands out as (IMO) a bit much. But hey, if she likes it...
 
Bear in mind that I am a bigger fan of integrity and good character than I am of athletic achievement. Therefore I am more concerned that the people who represent my country are good sports and good role models. If it turns out that his character is not so good I would be concerned for whatever pair girl he ends up with or cultivates (meaning a singles girl turning into a pair girl.)If he turns out to be a great guy then I will hope he finds a great match and I will be proud to have him introduced at an international event as a Canadian.

Who are you to judge people when you don’t even know them, based on edited interviews? Your virtues stand above others? Unless you have a 60-minute talk with him, you won’t know what is truly in his mind. And even so. It is always easier to judge the partner that initiated the move than the poor one that got dumped, that’s the same withh marriage. You will never truly know what was going on privately before the break-up. And god thanks we don’t know, that’s fair to both parties.
 
I agree that it looks horrible backstage, but IMO she looked absolutely beautiful with it on the ice last season. I mean, this shot from her SP last season is stunning, and her makeup looks fantastic in it, on the ice.

I've seen Gabby Daleman walking through a mall here before, and she wears basically the same makeup off the ice as she does on the ice. It looks great when competing, but when walking through the mall, definitely stands out as (IMO) a bit much. But hey, if she likes it...
I agree. That’s why her photos at the camp, especially the still shots, look so shocking.
 
Who are you to judge people when you don’t even know them, based on edited interviews? Your virtues stand above others? Unless you have a 60-minute talk with him, you won’t know what is truly in his mind. And even so. It is always easier to judge the partner that initiated the move than the poor one that got dumped, that’s the same withh marriage. You will never truly know what was going on privately before the break-up. And god thanks we don’t know, that’s fair to both parties.

Perhaps you could try reading with your eyes instead of your fingers.

I am sort of neutral on the subject so his future behavior will determine if I am in his court or not.
 
^ But what you posted directly before this comment above does not read as neutral at all.

And your condemnation of MTM2 seems to indicate to me that you have issue with any skater who leaves their partner.

Sorry but I think your statement of being neutral doesn’t bear out with the time of your comments since this split happened and the former split of MTM2
 
Sorry I meant not at HPC, not Autumn Classic.
She's still competing junior this season, so I'd assume that's why. As far as I can tell, HPC is namely for those on the GP, whereas Aurora is still doing the JGP. And she's still on the Next Gen team, so I don't know that she'll end up on the National team even with her 5th place at Nationals.
 
^ But what you posted directly before this comment above does not read as neutral at all.

And your condemnation of MTM2 seems to indicate to me that you have issue with any skater who leaves their partner.

Sorry but I think your statement of being neutral doesn’t bear out with the time of your comments since this split happened and the former split of MTM2

Do you feel these are the only 2 people who have split up.

Pls don't put words in my mouth.

I am neutral about Bilodeau.

I have no problem with Marinaro.He might be a saint.

I think KMT is a horrible human being..a liar , sneaky and underhanded...that makes one...It is not always what one does but how they do it and dump all over people to get what they want that counts with me.
 
Do you feel these are the only 2 people who have split up.

Pls don't put words in my mouth.

I am neutral about Bilodeau.

I have no problem with Marinaro.He might be a saint.

I think KMT is a horrible human being..a liar , sneaky and underhanded...that makes one...It is not always what one does but how they do it and dump all over people to get what they want that counts with me.

And you know all of these things about KMT from personal experience of her and all that transpired between her and Dylan.

I never said you had a problem with Marinaro.

I thought it was pretty clear I meant Kirsten, since it was she who ended the partnership.

And sorry I don’t believe you are neutral on Bilodeau. You seem to be implying a lot of assumptions about what went down between Charlie and Julianne.
 
And you know all of these things about KMT from personal experience of her and all that transpired between her and Dylan.

I never said you had a problem with Marinaro

I thought it was pretty clear I meant Kirsten, since it was she who ended the partnership.

And sorry I don’t believe you are neutral on Bilodeau. You seem to be implying a lot of assumptions about what went down between Charlie and Julianne.

mmmm you put KMT2 which is both. Marinaro did leave his partner Margaret Purdy when KMT chose him to skate with.

I have no need for your belief. several people made comments about his decision ..maybe some are right...or not. I have no inside info on it and no horse in the game so I am going to see what transpires. As skaters I liked them both and they skated well together. I enjoyed quite a few of their programs. I do hope that Julieann does not quit over it but she just may not want to start over with another partner.
 
Perhaps you could try reading with your eyes instead of your fingers.

I am sort of neutral on the subject so his future behavior will determine if I am in his court or not.

Do you know the term “sophism”? That is totally a false dilemma. Google the term just to make sure you understand fully what we are talking about.

I read correctly, you are one step before making a judgement. Even if you decide he is “worthy” in your eyes, you will have make a judgement.

Perhaps you could try understanding with your brain instead of your fingers.
 
Who cares if someone is making a judgement or not? This entire site is a forum for people to express their opinions on figure skating and figure skaters, which means every post here is a judgement call in some form unless it is a post that is just stating results or other factual statistics about the sport. Some people would prefer that posters stick to expressing opinions on the skating only rather than the skaters, but there has never been a rule about that at FSU (and I have been here since before some of the newest/youngest posters were probably born!) and there have always been opinions and "judgements" expressed about skaters, their coaching, costuming and music choices, their training decisions, even their romantic off-ice relationships and pretty much everything else. Get off your high horse and just say you disagree if you disagree with someone's opinion or the way they are making "judgements".
 

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