2025 World Team Trophy - Day 3

[Karen-W]

I think USFSA is going to choose Alysa as the world champion and she’ll be selected from the Seeded pool of top 1 – 3 at worlds

And then I hope Wakaba again, who finished sixth at worlds from the Seeded 4–6 pool.

Spread the wealth and have isabeau and Amber go elsewhere.

No way. USFS would be wise to have Alysa & Amber at SkAm. They'll want to give them the best shot of qualifying for the GPF and with SkAm being moved to the 5th GP rather than the 1st GP, there's zero sense in not having them both at SkAm & hopefully go 1-2 in some order.

 

[Karen-W]

Do we know how much money each team gets?

It was discussed in the WTT thread in the GSD forum.

 

[Karen-W]

I saw it somewhere in one of these threads, I’ve always wondered why Dance and Pairs teams have to split it. They should each get the same amount.

They don't. The money is split equally 8 ways - pairs & dance teams get double what the singles skaters get basically.

 

[Cachoo]

https://www.reddit.com/r/FigureSkating/comments/1k2y39f/amber_glenn_and_elizaveta_tuktamysheva_met_at_wtt

Now that I see her I remember someone watching Jason's free intently and now I do think that was her. She is missed.

 

[MacMadame]

Kevin wins

I wouldn't count out Alysa.

 

[Taso]

That was so freaking sweet Amber said I learned from watching your videos.

Oh my gosh Amber, I love you.

I loved that so much! That was such a sweet moment!

 

[kwanfan1818]

From the WTT Announcement:

6. PRIZE MONEY – APPEARANCE FEES
a) Prize Money – Appearance Fee

i) Prize Money​

The organizing ISU Member (JSF) will make available the Global Prize Money amount (that is secured​

through the ISU agreements) for the ISU World Team Trophy of:​

US$ 1’000’000​

to the Skaters/Couples of the awarded teams. All prize money in favor of the Skaters/Couples will be paid​

via bank transfer by the organizing ISU Member (JSF) to the ISU Members of the Skaters/Couples of the​

awarded teams immediately after the ISU World Team Trophy based on the following scale:​

1st placed team: US$ 200’000​

2nd placed team: US$ 170’000​

3rd placed team: US$ 160’000​

4th placed team: US$ 150’000​

5th placed team: US$ 140’000​

6th placed team: US$ 130’000.​

​

ii) Appearance Fees​

Competitors from the Qualified Teams for the ISU World Team Trophy having ranked either in the top 3 of the​

preceding ISU World Figure Skating Championships and/or being ranked in the ISU Seasonal World Ranking​

(status after the preceding ISU World Figure Skating Championships) in the top 3 positions, will receive the​

following Appearance Fees:​

Ranked 1st: US$ 30’000​

Ranked 2nd: US$ 20’000​

Ranked 3rd: US$ 10’000​

​

​

It goes on to say that if the Worlds podium and the Top three WR's are six different skaters/teams for each discipline, the max appearance fee pot is $480K. Did I understand correctly that the Yen has become much stronger than the USD recently? If so, it's a better deal for the people paying, and a worse deal for the Japanese team members.

ETA: That's 25K/skater for 2nd, $21.25K for 2nd, $20K for 3rd, $18.75K for 4th, $17.5K for 5th, and $16.25K for 6th. That's $80K for Chock/Bates and Miura/Kihara (oops) and $50K for Malinin and Liu. Wheeeeeeeee!

I haven't watched yet, but I know that Kvitelashvili had toured Japan in the past, and I hope he's joining tours again now that he's there. I don't know if Urushadze had, but it sounds like her performances were delightful, and I hope she gets an invite, if she hasn't already.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

No way. USFS would be wise to have Alysa & Amber at SkAm. They'll want to give them the best shot of qualifying for the GPF and with SkAm being moved to the 5th GP rather than the 1st GP, there's zero sense in not having them both at SkAm & hopefully go 1-2 in some order.

If the two best skaters are up against each other, one of them misses out on gold, what sense does that make?

 

[Karen-W]

If the two best skaters are up against each other, one of them misses out on gold, what sense does that make?

If they're the two best skaters then they'll both have gold at their first GP & going 1-2 will guarantee them making the GPF.

Here's the thing... The USFS can control which Japanese & Korean women are invited to SkAm. Sending Amber to two other GPs means 1) she'll be going up against Kaori and Mone at one each as well as 2 other Japanese women & chances are at least one of those women will be Ami, Rion, Hana, Rino & Rinka and 2) in all likelihood Chaeyeon and/or Niina. Wakaba is the only Japanese woman Amber for sure won't have to compete against on the GP as they're in the same seeded sub-group. Why put Amber in a position where she's got a tougher path to winning than she'd have at SkAm?

Beyond that, Amber is the 2-time National Champion and the reigning GPF Champion. She's more than earned a SkAm spot along with Alysa.

 

[PRlady]

I would hope USFS would have a quiet talk with each of them before deciding. If they’re both ok with it, sure why not.

If I’m Isabeau I’m a bit as to how I got to be third after dominating the U.S. earlier in the quad. I hope she does well too.

 

[Karen-W]

If I’m Isabeau I’m a bit as to how I got to be third after dominating the U.S. earlier in the quad. I hope she does well too.

It's crazy, really. No one would have thought this is where she'd be sitting a year ago.

Presuming she's healthy, I see no reason for her to not be fighting it out for gold at her GPs. I don't know that all three will qualify for the GPF, but my April handicapping says the US has a greater likelihood of having 3 women in the GPF next season than Japan. Of course, we all thought that too 6 months ago after the US women dominated the pre-GP Challengers and we know how that turned out, lol.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Sending Amber to two other GPs means 1) she'll be going up against Kaori and Mone

aside from us USA hosted worlds She’s beating them everywhere this season. I ain’t worried about that.

Ami, Rion, Hana, Rino & Rinka

Nor that


This past year I advocated that Amber should’ve been at skate America and then we learned later that she didn’t want it. I’m assuming that will also be true this time around.

I feel like the best outcome is take Alysa and Wakaba at skate America. That is number one and number six.

Send Isabeau and Amber and Sarah and Bradie to other events and they’ll be fine.

The other two skate America spots maybe Elyce see what transpires.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Delete

 

[Karen-W]

Well, we have a couple months to debate & discuss & project before we see the initial assignments list. The last international competition of the season on the ISU calendar is Oceania Int'l at the end of May in Melbourne, so the WS won't be updated to drop the 2022-23 points and reduce the 2023-24 points to 70% until after that, and then the GP Hosts meet to make their initial selections. It wouldn't surprise me if they try to get the assignments out by mid-June like they did last year, maybe even the 1st week of June.

 

[Jammers]

It's crazy, really. No one would have thought this is where she'd be sitting a year ago.

Presuming she's healthy, I see no reason for her to not be fighting it out for gold at her GPs. I don't know that all three will qualify for the GPF, but my April handicapping says the US has a greater likelihood of having 3 women in the GPF next season than Japan. Of course, we all thought that too 6 months ago after the US women dominated the pre-GP Challengers and we know how that turned out, lol.

I remember bitching during the GP season why weren't the US Ladies not doing as well as they were in the Challenger events just a month or two earlier. Little did i know that they would dominate the 2nd half of the season starting with 4CC through Worlds and even the WTT.

 

[ice coverage]

...

i) Prize Money​

The organizing ISU Member (JSF) will make available the Global Prize Money amount (that is secured​

through the ISU agreements) for the ISU World Team Trophy of:​

US$ 1’000’000​

to the Skaters/Couples of the awarded teams. All prize money in favor of the Skaters/Couples will be paid​

via bank transfer by the organizing ISU Member (JSF) to the ISU Members of the Skaters/Couples of the​

awarded teams immediately after the ISU World Team Trophy based on the following scale:​

1st placed team: US$ 200’000​

2nd placed team: US$ 170’000​

3rd placed team: US$ 160’000​

4th placed team: US$ 150’000​

5th placed team: US$ 140’000​

6th placed team: US$ 130’000.​

ii) Appearance Fees​

Competitors from the Qualified Teams for the ISU World Team Trophy having ranked either in the top 3 of the​

preceding ISU World Figure Skating Championships and/or being ranked in the ISU Seasonal World Ranking​

(status after the preceding ISU World Figure Skating Championships) in the top 3 positions, will receive the​

following Appearance Fees:​

Ranked 1st: US$ 30’000​

Ranked 2nd: US$ 20’000​

Ranked 3rd: US$ 10’000​

It goes on to say that if the Worlds podium and the Top three WR's are six different skaters/teams for each discipline, the max appearance fee pot is $480K. ...

ETA: That's 25K/skater for 2nd, $21.25K for 2nd, $20K for 3rd, $18.75K for 4th, $17.5K for 5th, and $16.25K for 6th. That's $80K for Chock/Bates and Miura/Kihara (oops) and $50K for Malinin and Liu. ...

For Team USA: Prize money for first-place team is $25,000 per skater.

Plus appearance fees are $30,000 for Chock/Bates partnership; $30,000 for Malinin; $30,000 for Liu; and $10,000 for Glenn (who is third in ISU Season's World Ranking).
Chock/Bates partnership total is $80,000; Malinin $55,000; Liu $55,000; Glenn $35,000.​

For Team Japan: Prize money for second-place team is $21,250 per skater.

Plus appearance fees are $30,000 for Miura/Kihara partnership; $30,000 for Sakamoto (who is first in ISU Season's WR); $20,000 for Kagiyama (who is second in ISU Season's WR); $10,000 for Chiba.​

For Team Italy: Prize money for third-place team is $20,000 per skater.

Plus appearance fees are $10,000 for Guignard/Fabbri partnership (who are third in ISU Season's WR); $10,000 for Conti/Macii partnership.​

For Team France: Prize money for fourth-place team is $18,750 per skater.

For Team Canada: Prize money for fifth-place team is $17,500 per skater.

Plus appearance fee of $20,000 for Gilles/Poirier partnership.​

For Team Georgia: Prize money for sixth-place team is $16,250 per skater.

 

[kwanfan1818]

Yeah, I can do math

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

I already have my team players for the Olympics, yes, I know it’s early. Yes, I know that anything can happen. But here as of now who I would put on the team event for USA.

Women - Amber SP, Alysa Free

Dance - Madison and Evan. Both portions.

Men - Ilia both portions.

Pairs - SP Alisa and Misha. Free Ellie and Danny.

I have a feeling Alisa and Misha are married and will get citizenship.

 

[LKR]

Women - Amber SP, Alysa Free

I would swap Alysa and Amber for the short and free. Amber has had problems in her last three events in the SP, then pulled up in the long. There's more risk you can take in the free skate given the lowest ranked skater still earns 6 points.

 

[skatingguy]

I already have my team players for the Olympics, yes, I know it’s early. Yes, I know that anything can happen. But here as of now who I would put on the team event for USA.

Women - Amber SP, Alysa Free

Dance - Madison and Evan. Both portions.

Men - Ilia both portions.

Pairs - SP Alisa and Misha. Free Ellie and Danny.

I have a feeling Alisa and Misha are married and will get citizenship.

Keep in mind that the dancers compete their event the day after the team event ends, and the men start their event the day after that. Both the pairs, and women compete in week 2 of the Olympics.

 

[Karen-W]

I already have my team players for the Olympics, yes, I know it’s early. Yes, I know that anything can happen. But here as of now who I would put on the team event for USA.

Women - Amber SP, Alysa Free

Dance - Madison and Evan. Both portions.

Men - Ilia both portions.

Pairs - SP Alisa and Misha. Free Ellie and Danny.

I have a feeling Alisa and Misha are married and will get citizenship.

No. Revise this immediately. There is no way that Ilia will be doing both portions of the TE. Pairs is the last individual event of the Olympics. Whichever pairs team does the TE will do both phases of it.

 

[skatingguy]

No. Revise this immediately. There is no way that Ilia will be doing both portions of the TE. Pairs is the last individual event of the Olympics. Whichever pairs team does the TE will do both phases of it.

Women is last this time out.

 

[Karen-W]

Women is last this time out.

Either way, there is zero chance the US will split pairs.

 

[Debbie S]

I think it's a given men will be split. I also suspect dance will be split, given the scheduling plus CPom's strong showing at Worlds. The wrinkle is that in dance, there has been the belief that it's a bad idea for medal contenders to split b/c it allows their main competition (whether in their country or another) more time in front of the judges to set themselves up for the individual event. But in 2022, that didn't seem to impact results. I wouldn't be surprised if Piper and Paul also opt to split, due to the sched.

 

[Karen-W]

I think it's a given men will be split. I also suspect dance will be split, given the scheduling plus CPom's strong showing at Worlds. The wrinkle is that in dance, there has been the belief that it's a bad idea for medal contenders to split b/c it allows their main competition (whether in their country or another) more time in front of the judges to set themselves up for the individual event. But in 2022, that didn't seem to impact results. I wouldn't be surprised if Piper and Paul also opt to split, due to the sched.

I lean toward ChoBat and GilPoir wanting to split TE duties as well, but both teams and their feds may wait until next winter to make a final decision. We're assuming Christina will get her citizenship in time & be on the team. If that doesn't happen, it may shift the calculus - same with how it shakes out with who qualifies in each discipline for the GPF.

 

[PRlady]

When CarPon and LaLa are your number twos and you’re retiring anyway, and you stayed in four years for an individual Oly medal, you split. The two younger teams are competitive with each other and with the Brits and Italians, the way things are going. The French, assuming LBF/Ciz are there, are a wild card.

 

[Karen-W]

When CarPon and LaLa are your number twos and you’re retiring anyway, and you stayed in four years for an individual Oly medal, you split. The two younger teams are competitive with each other and with the Brits and Italians, the way things are going. The French, assuming LBF/Ciz are there, are a wild card.

Well, FBCiz are only a factor in the individual dance event. There's no way that Guillaume will compete in the TE RD - he'll leave those crumbs to LopBri.

 

[Jammers]

Delete

 

[SkateFanBerlin]

I will say I do think Amber is getting hosed and PCS for some reason.

I looked at her other ompetitions. In the upper 60`s is her normal. Definately should shoot to get over the 70 mark.

 

[leilaofpaper]

Well, FBCiz are only a factor in the individual dance event. There's no way that Guillaume will compete in the TE RD - he'll leave those crumbs to LopBri.

what makes you say that?