What's your 2010 Olympics Men's Podium?

[On My Own]

What it says on the tin, because if there's one thing I agree with @caseyedwards on, it's that Lysacek didn't deserve this title.

 

[On My Own]

Allow me to be a Toxic Dai Stan and claim that Daisuke Takahashi should have won Vancouver 2010. His PCS should have been MUCH higher than either of Lysacek or Plushy.

 

[Lynn226]

Anyone but Plushy!

 

[skatingguy]

Evan Lysacek
Daisuke Takahashi
Stephane Lambiel

 

[Alilou]

I was in the arena. I was screaming at the end of Dai's SP. Couldn't believe they placed him 3rd for that. Total BS.

Evan was pedestrian in both segments, but got the job done

Plush was kinda embarrassing actually - a shadow of his former self, with extremely slow painful spins, and no choreo to speak of. A lot of mugging to the judges including wiping his palm over his tongue. It was awful.

tbh I don't remember Lambiel.

I remember Johnny said that one of the judges said afterwards that if they'd known he'd skate like that they'd have given him higher marks, but I found him slow - beautiful lines and clean performance, but no zip or charisma.

I also remember that apparently gold for Plush was prearranged, but in the end they couldn't give it to him.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Evan Lysacek
Daisuke Takahashi
Stephane Lambiel

Second it

 

[On My Own]

tbh I don't remember Lambiel.

He had a great step sequence in the SP. That's about it, IMO. https://youtu.be/njYkVabuIt8?si=bHCguGy2mceHRWXA&t=126 (ETA: Well okay, nice combo spin at the end too)

 

[susieB129]

I've long held the opinion that Takahashi was a clean quad away from the gold. (Assuming the judges would have had the stones to do that if it had happened.)

 

[Lynn226]

I remember how bitter Plushy was.

 

[caseyedwards]

Plushenko
Takahashi
Weir

 

[ChelleC]

Anyone but Plushy!

That was definitely my wish prior to the Olympics.

I'd say:
Lysacek
Takahashi
Lambiel

Count me as another who thinks if Dai had landed the quad he would have been OGM.

 

[Marco]

1. Takahashi
2. Lysacek
3. Plushenko

 

[Firedancer]

Lysacek
Takahashi
Lambiel

I agree Takahashi would have won if he landed the quad.

 

[caseyedwards]

I was in the arena. I was screaming at the end of Dai's SP. Couldn't believe they placed him 3rd for that. Total BS.

Evan was pedestrian in both segments, but got the job done

Plush was kinda embarrassing actually - a shadow of his former self, with extremely slow painful spins, and no choreo to speak of. A lot of mugging to the judges including wiping his palm over his tongue. It was awful.

tbh I don't remember Lambiel.

I remember Johnny said that one of the judges said afterwards that if they'd known he'd skate like that they'd have given him higher marks, but I found him slow - beautiful lines and clean performance, but no zip or charisma.

I also remember that apparently gold for Plush was prearranged, but in the end they couldn't give it to him.

Plushenko did better jumps and spins than he did in 2006! So how could he have been shadow?

So obviously peak Plushenko was very early in his career!! 2002 to 2004. Nadir probably 2006. With great improvement over 2006 in 2009/2010 and again in 2012.

Judges gave him 5 in pcs in the short based on Inman email. It seems to have been just the opposite. Plushenko competed even though American judge was rigging it against him

 

[MsZem]

They could have given Yuna both titles...

At least Dai won Worlds that year (I liked that podium better, too)

 

[On My Own]

They could have given Yuna both titles...

Oh my god YES

 

[On My Own]

People please look at Takahiko Kozuka's skates here, and tell me where do you think he should have been placed. He had fantastic speed and beautiful edge quality, with very difficult choreography in all 4 of his step sequences. Jumps done with proper technique too unless I'm forgetting his edges on lutz/flip.

 

[caseyedwards]

People please look at Takahiko Kozuka's skates here, and tell me where do you think he should have been placed. He had fantastic speed and beautiful edge quality, with very difficult choreography in all 4 of his step sequences. Jumps done with proper technique too unless I'm forgetting his edges on lutz/flip.

Forgot all about his existence. Punsihed so bad for being third Japanese man. Got edge warning and fell on second triple axel. Wonderful quad toe. Perfect!!

 

[orbitz]

Plushenko did better jumps and spins than he did in 2006! So how could he have been shadow?

I remember Plushy's tilted jumps and scratchy, no speed landings in 2010. The spins were the same. So no, Plushy was not better in 2010 than he was in 2006. He thought he deserved the gold simply because he stood up on a quad jump. Thankfully, skating judging didn't and don't work that way. Lysacek worked with the system at the time and won fair and square.

 

[caseyedwards]

I remember Plushy's tilted jumps and scratchy, no speed landings in 2010. The spins were the same. So no, Plushy was not better in 2010 than he was in 2006. He thought he deserved the gold simply because he stood up on a quad jump. Thankfully, skating judging didn't and don't work that way. Lysacek worked with the system at the time and won fair and square.

There was a slight tilt on Two jumps in 2010. That’s it! Why is that so bad? In 2006 he doubled a planned triple flip meaning one of his jumps was only a double flip. And lysacek had a clear two foot, and edge call and horrible triple axel if you can call it that.

Plushenko deserved the gold because he was the only one in the entire mens comp who combined quad triple, triple axel, level 4 spins and amazing performance

 

[On My Own]

N E Way, much like I've deluded myself into believing that Matt Savoie deserved 2006 OWG Bronze, I've similarly deluded myself into believing Takahiko Kozuka deserved a medal here.

My arguments are:
1. Some of the best step sequences in the competition (only Dai had a better set of four, for my money; Lambiel had the step sequence that was the best of the event in his SP, but the other three weren't all that good);
2. Third, maybe fourth best basic skating of the event (Chan, Lambiel definitely better, Abbott technically better but IDR how he skated anymore; Dai is slower even if he had better rhythm for his step sequences);
3. Did a quad in the LP, only major mistake was falling on a 3A late in the program;
4. Good basic spinning technique, which puts him ahead of all three of the real medalists on those elements;
5. LP choreography is complex, well ahead of many of his competitors for its time in terms of transitions, and I'd score it well on interpretation as well - I'd actually have it top three on CH/INT and maybe first on TR.

He is not the most charismatic performer, but he had a lot here that was better than everyone who finished ahead of him. I'm not sure how Oda and Weir finished ahead of him at all.

 

[caseyedwards]

N E Way, much like I've deluded myself into believing that Matt Savoie deserved 2006 OWG Bronze, I've similarly deluded myself into believing Takahiko Kozuka deserved a medal here.

My arguments are:
1. Some of the best step sequences in the competition (only Dai had a better set of four, for my money; Lambiel had the step sequence that was the best of the event in his SP, but the other three weren't all that good);
2. Third, maybe fourth best basic skating of the event (Chan, Lambiel definitely better, Abbott technically better but IDR how he skated anymore; Dai is slower even if he had better rhythm for his step sequences);
3. Did a quad in the LP, only major mistake was falling on a 3A late in the program;
4. Good basic spinning technique, which puts him ahead of all three of the real medalists on those elements;
5. LP choreography is complex, well ahead of many of his competitors for its time in terms of transitions, and I'd score it well on interpretation as well - I'd actually have it top three on CH/INT and maybe first on TR.

He is not the most charismatic performer, but he had a lot here that was better than everyone who finished ahead of him. I'm not sure how Oda and Weir finished ahead of him at all.

This is so hilarious I have been looking over 2006 very very closely and Savoie was spectacular. Medal would have been deserved compared to all the true meltdowns that were seen. I know he doubled lutzes

 

[On My Own]

For me, Savoie had the best basic skating of the event, best choreography/interpretation in the LP, and had some fantastic transitions into jumps that were done correctly (yet again deserving the highest mark on that component). He made a few too many mistakes that'd put him behind Plushenko and Lambiel, and had too little tech content with that 2Lz instead of at least a 2A. But I enjoyed him the most of the three.

 

[nyrak]

I was in the arena for the long program in 2010. If I remember correctly Lysacek, Plushenko & Takahashi were virtually tied after the short program. So it really came down to the long program. I was in the top row of the Pacific Coliseum. Does anyone remember Blades (Dave)? I remember him saying years before that Plushenko skated 80% of his program between the blue lines, facing the judges. Being that high up gives a very different perspective than sitting close. He was 100% right, jump into the corners, but otherwise vamp for the judges. Lysacek got the job done, but was very vanilla. Of the top 3 I thought Takahashi had the most style & enjoyability. I would've had the results 1. Takahashi 2. Lysacek 3. Plushenko or Weir