Keeping Track of Criminal Cases & SafeSport Suspensions in Skating

I think it also depends on if they served time, apologized, changed their life. Also the crime. I find rape right up there with murder as I know someone who eventually lost her life after her rape. Her rapist continues to live a wonderful life as all “his” people believed him, there was no conviction. Even if the survivor lives, the old them is dead.
 
I definitely wouldn't necessarily drop any friend convicted of any crime. It depends on the circumstances, what the crime was, and their reaction. Altogether, what do those things say about them as a person and do they make them a person I don't want in my life.

That being said, a rapist is a person I don't want in my life, full stop.
 
I've had to dump someone for criminal behaviour, but so did all of my extended friend group, so that was a heck of a lot easier. After it all went down, I realized how we were all manipulated and charmed by said person (in very different ways).
I've been really quiet in these threads for this reason, because I had to dump a friend who raped someone, and also had to deal with the fall out as this happened in the context of an organization, so watching how MIA has handled this cuts really close. In the case of the organization I'm involved with, the man was banned immediately, and since I post under my real name, I don't want to say too much, other than, yes, it sucks when a friend is accused, but not nearly as much as it sucks for the woman accusing. There are still people who don't believe her, but we also heard a lot of stories about the guy that ended with: 'but I didn't know who to tell' (we've worked as an organization to change that).
 
I am a survivor of sexual abuse at the hands (literally) of my brothers. One of them is a pedophile and has apparently abused at least three other children. I learned a lot as I went through therapy and healing, including that friends, family, and even victims vary greatly on the degree to which they will overlook or forgive heinous acts. While I will never forgive my brothers, I do accept that others, particularly their friends, will overlook what they did. What I will not accept, however, is anyone's attempt to tell me that my brothers did not molest me, that I should forgive them, that I have no right to my feelings, or that I am in any way responsible for what they did to me.
 
And, of course, we cannot forget how Kolesnik came to the US to start with—brought here to be a partner to Avonley, living in her home with her and her parents, until there was some sort of rupture between them right after they won Junior Worlds. As far as I recall, anyway.
I know this is an ancient post, but the fact that this response has sat out there for awhile needs clarification.

Vadym was not brought to the US to partner Avonley Nguyen.

Vadym brought himself to Detroit, with the help of his parents, after writing to Igor requesting an audition to Shpilband’s camp at Novi. Vadym was 14 when accepted by Igor. Avonley was a newer student at Novi herself. Both Avonley and Vadym tried out with other potential partners before pairing up. Kolesnik initially moved to Michigan with his mother (Svitlana) shortly before his fifteenth birthday - they got an apartment, bought a car and Vadym was enrolled in public school. Unfortunately, visa troubles meant both were deported. Vadym was able to get his visa sorted out and return to the U.S., his mom was not. Since he was too young to be on his own, that’s how Vadym ended up staying with Avonley’s family.

Also of note regarding recruiting Emilea Zingas, Igor - while persistent - went through Emi’s coaches. After initially approaching both at Nebelhorn, Igor contacted her coaches (primarily Brooke Castille O’Keefe, ironically now at MIDA) while following up back in Detroit. It was at her coaches’ urging that Emi took the tryout. Believe me, Emi is no pushover. No one coerced her into becoming an ice dancer. She became an ice dancer because she loved it. On the contrary, I give Igor props for spotting her talent.

There is a good interview on the Off Ice Podcast where Emi goes into details about the formation of her partnership with Vadym. Vadym has spoken a few times about coming to America, most recently in an article from A Divine Sport.

And BTW, Vadym and Avonley are on good terms.
 
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I know this is an ancient post, but the fact that this response has sat out there for awhile needs clarification.

Vadym was not brought to the US to partner Avonley Nguyen.

Vadym brought himself to Detroit, with the help of his parents, after writing to Igor requesting an audition to Shpilband’s camp at Novi. Vadym was 14 when accepted by Igor. Avonley was a newer student at Novi herself. Both Avonley and Vadym tried out with other potential partners before pairing up. ...

Thank you for your post.
Great minds think alike: The misconception in the ancient post that you quoted about Vadym's beginnings with Shpilband also was debunked within the same day by yours truly in post #2312 of this thread.

... Believe me, Emi is no pushover. ...

I would say the same. (y)
 
I'm currently reading the autobiography by Simone Biles' former coach Aimee Boorman. I don't follow gymnastics that closely so I don't know if there's drama around her or her work. But the last part of the book is her recommendations for rebuilding the sport, and one of them is that "abusive coaches don't belong in the gym. Period."
 
What does overturned on jurisdictional grounds mean? I don't have twitter. :eek:
I assume it means either b/c the assault occurred out of the country and/or Sorensen wasn't repping Canada at the time. There's not much info in the tweet (I can see it even though I don't have Twitter) but it sounds like the actual evidence isn't being disputed.

So SC is perfectly comfortable having a rapist represent them and/or coach minors as long as the crime/rapist wasn't in Canada/SC.
 
So SC is perfectly comfortable having a rapist represent them and/or coach minors as long as the crime/rapist wasn't in Canada/SC.
No the decision has little to do with SC.

The decision document outlines the arguments that were put forth (strongly) for the sanctions against Nik.

The arbitrator said that they had no jurisdiction to bring sanctions against him.

He’s basically off on a technicality.
 

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